Technology and Technology-culture is becoming repulsive

Those languages suck. It's not just "Lisp weenies" who don't like Ctarded languages, it's a lot of people who use a lot of languages.

Programming sucks because UNIX shills tell you that you can't do better because it would offend some corporate tool from AT&T. Learn about Multics, VMS, ITS, Lisp machines, and other operating systems and their ways of doing things. Don't just blindly accept what some shill says about UNIX being "simpler" or "faster" or "research" because that's all bullshit. The UNIX tools and APIs suck, but you will never know unless you learn other ways to do it. All these flaws are in UNIX languages like C and C++ too. How many people even know what file versioning or record files are? AT&T shills were able to convince users that these were bad things.

What I find disgusting about UNIX is that it has *never*grown any operating system extensions of its own, all thecreative work is derived from VMS, Multics and theoperating systems it killed.

Um, will raising a clawed forefoot do, AB? As everybodykeeps telling me, file systems so primitive that they neededversion number support in the operating system existed solong ago that hands hadn't yet evolved.

I think I've identified the fundamental problem withunix. It's not that unix fellates worm-infested camels.It's that NO ONE DOES ANYTHING ABOUT IT. Unix is full of dumb bugs that any competent hackercould fix in ten minutes. But more than ten minutes iswasted by *every* hacker instead. ``Yup, that's anotherdumb unix bug. Sigh. Well, let's write an elaboratework-around...'' The problem is cultural: there seems to bean attitude of ``you can't fight city hall.'' ITS and the lispm are such wins not because they arebetter-designed (they may be, but god knows they have plentyof brain damage in them too) but because they have a cultureof ``That symbolics namespace editor sucks, so I spent tenminutes writing a better one and installed it on b:.'' What I can't figure out is why there isn't a giantmarket for improved unix software. For example, it seemslike it would be straightforward to write a decent C macroprocessor or garbage collector, and that you could make abundle of money selling them because everyone would wantthem. But no one does this. Why not? Maybe it's becauseweenies are so used to not fighting city hall that theycan't believe things could ever be better?

I honestly don't know why is it so difficult to create a community nowdays. It can't be a technical issue, since we have cheap access to fast internet, software and hardware that is capable of handling massive amounts of traffic while requirng very little power. Why is it that out of 366 idiots posting here only a handful are capable of holding a conversation? Out of 3.2 BILLION people with access to the internet we get this? To give you perspective: that is 32k stadiums of people with capacity of 100k each (pic 1 and pic 2 tiled stadiums representing all people with access to the internet).

Are people really zombies and retards as OP is describing? Where are all the nerds?

Ironically, it should be repulsive.
I doesn't want to make any comprimises for a normalfag's benefit.

It really is, but most jobs simply suck, wether you're a waiter or a corporate lawyer kssing ass and helping companies screw people over.
If you don't have a family that depends on a fat steady salary, get out and try a smaller company/start something yourself.

It's a lot of effort to create a community, and engage in actual conversations instead of shitposting or staying passive, although both those activities have their place as well, since people don't always have something to contribute.
It's rather hard to opine on technological topics in the abstract barebones form we prefer here on Holla Forums, it's a lot easier to do AMD/Intel and smartphone shitpost wars.
A lot of people who are very experienced and deal with the topics we speculate on here professionally might want to get away from it instead of explaining their workj between anime pics and porn.

read the Unabombers manifesto

Community of competent people have to have a filter to discern those who are valuable enough to enter their inner circle.
Today, however, people don't like to get cornered into free work for others without any immediate benefit (political or monetary).
So, todays "community" is loose connected individuals sharing between each other as long as their invested energy and time is less than their benefit.

There are no longer forums or groups of people with tech support or website behind them. All of them use almost all of services to reach each other, but none in particular (not falling on one service to hold the power over their community

if whoever's the BO gave his seat to someone who actually cared, things would really improve here

Who wrote this?

shut the fuck up, if yoou are making enough money to do something with your life you shouldn"t expect to find meaning from your job.
you are contributing to a system that wants to replace you with 80 iq subhumans, men that crossdress, and women who will try to get you fired for anything you say.
nobody really finds their job important because there is no incentive to marry, have kids, or start a business,
I bet if you learned a trade you would be just as nhilistic.
try doing construction, you will build houses for the asian people that wil take your boring programming job and make sure to never hire white kids like you.

The man exclaims to the passerbys: "My leg, my leg! I've just broken my leg!" But the passerbys do not notice, they just hobble along. Then by chance, one does take notice of the man's pleas. One whose broken leg is so festered after years of avoidance and poor treatment, and many days of great pain. This one says to the man: "Shut the fuck up, your leg's not broken." And so the illusion continues.

I'm not requiring some academic level greybeard society. All I want is Holla Forums without:

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It doesn't exist and won't. Gardens must be segregated from the natural land if you want them to flourish and grow as you will them. Otherwise, to put them in the same mix as the weeds and other flora, they will compete for resources and do what ensures survival. That survival more often than not, does not include growing large and colorful vegetables, but ones that grow quick and allow for r-selection. If you want Holla Forums, you'll need to wall it off. Otherwise, eternal september will continue forever and ever.

All those quotes are from the UNIX-HATERS mailing list. There are a lot of things about UNIX-like OSes that I think are stupid and suck, so I do a little research and find out that people solved the problem at least 100 times in the last 50 years, but nobody seems interested because it would offend some UNIX weenie from AT&T if you use an OS or programming language they had nothing to do with.

Well, I still like what someone said about developing graphics applications with Windows or X: "It's like being given the Periodic Table of Elements and being told you have everything you need; Go make a broccoli".Especially as applied to X.Then again, this applies as well to Unix - except that inUnix, most of the available isotopes are unstable, therehave been a couple of misprints in the table itself, and thejars of available reagents are labeled with abbreviations -in Kurdish.

Well since you used gardenind anology, perhaps we require more gardeners (mods)? Surely if we do some weeding, things would most certanly improve. Not a single moderation action was made today (1 bumplock) as seen in board log. is right BO doesen't care about this place, that's why weeds are growing everywhere.

It's a Catch 22 problem. You need people who care about the direction of this board and want to nurture it, but the sort of people who have those qualities don't care about this board. Or even people who have the energy and time to moderate are board, have better use for it than spreading discussion here. I don't know who the BO is or how claiming boards work here, but surely there must be a system?

I share your concerns, and I'm happy none of my posts were included in the pile of shit you unearthed! Moderation is necessary, but another approach is to consciously make a better effort to create higher quality posts and ignore the idiots and trolls. This will attract other useful people and starve the trolls of the attention they crave. As an example, it's always better to argue your opinion without the preface of "You are a moron" as I saw here: .

Uncle Ted was right.

The plural of passerby is passersby.

Thank you.

You're welcome.

that's not very manly. be the change you want to feel and see. you have motivation but you lack determination. don't expect too much from others but expect more to yourself.

You shoulda installed TempleOS. You didn't listen. You prayed instead at the alter of GNU. You got bogged-down in complicated, insane softwares and now your mind is corrupt.

If you want to spend your time writing Ruby code that connects to mongodb, then go ahead.

Yup. Right there with you man. So glad I did not go into a tech career.

I wish for a simple computer that does simple things in a simple way.

go to lainchan

It's your fault for attempting a fundamentally autistic activity while not being autistic enough. I wish "technology so cool XD" faggots and lukewarmly-motivated salary-seeking normalfags would all leave the field.
Most jobs are about as meaningless.

If you want a more active and higher-quality discussion on this board, it's not something that can be accomplished through more moderation. If we want a more active and fulfilling community on Holla Forums there needs to be something that the community can do together, as a community. As an example, the Libbie threads increased the activity quite a bit because anons could drawfag and have fun fucking with the LibreOffice fags. There was that Advent of Code programming challenge thread that was pretty fun where anons could share solutions to the challenges. Holla Forums just needs to occasionally do things or have big happenings where anons can get together and actually be a community, instead of being a board where people shitpost /g/ memes. If I were BO I would sticky a metathread and allow new banner submissions for easy community involvement, maybe even have submissions for a unique spoiler image. Who knows, maybe there could be a board competition for a new (optional) CSS design or something.

Basically, in order to get quality discussion and generate more activity on the board anons and/or mods need to create opportunities for a strong community to form.

no u

Really sounds a lot like an artist's lot. :/ Both get shit on a lot and taken for granted. At least one is much less likely to get into debt and can actually hold a salary. The price? Living in hell.

Yeah, start out your own thing, or make some shit and sell and market it.

People are fucking lazy and entitled leeches.

If anybody's done online marketing 1.5%+ is considered a HIGH conversion rate and around 1% should be considered average. Basically 99% will lurk and 1% will actually engage.

You know what your problem is OP? You make tech for others, make tech for yourself.
After my day job as a programmer in a medium sized company (which is enjoy), i fuck around with microcontrollers and electronics, it brings me immense joy.

Same here. Part time day job and personal projects (that bring money in as well). It's a model to preserve.

nextchan if it wasn't dead as fuck, but people might liven it up.

You guys might want to read through
If you haven't already.

Only because you weren't successful at it, user

What you're describing is a people problem not a tech one, user. Well ok the programming stealing your soul definitely can be a problem depending on what you're doing but the rest sounds like you just realizing people are inherently trash bags. Most people i interact with are ignorant to the rudimentaries of most subjects and the problem is they're obnoxiously arrogant about everything on top of this. You see this with plenty of subjects. Politics/geopolitics is a good example. It requires a lot of studying and keeping up with reputable news sources to understand what's going on in the world yet somehow everyone is convinced they understand the entirety of what's going on in the world and that their ideology/position is infallibly correct.

I don't wanna sound like an edgy hipster but societies consumer whore mentality is demonstrably lowering peoples IQs and critical thinking skills. Couple this with their entitlement and you end up with people who are actually worthless aside from being financial/tax cows prepped for the milking. I understand I sound like an insufferable faggot but most of the people in my life are as described and only a few people actually have a reasonable head on their shoulders. I would change your title to "people and culture is actively repulsive and it's ruining technology."

Terry's right. If there was a significant learning curve to using a computer you would have a gigantic increase in the average users intelligence. Now that any braindead faggot can hop online in a matter of seconds with 0 understanding of the machine he's using everything is fucked. I guess we're too far gone at this point to ever fix it though