Is Venezuela socialism...

Is Venezuela socialism?​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​

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Venezuela is actually the first major attempt at Kaczynskian deindustrialisation.

No Patrick, a country with 2/3s private sector is not socialist.


Venezuela is stupid spineless government with some corruption that is under massive sanctions and no one to back them up.

Still it is closes to social democracy with subsidized food, free healthcare and education etc.

Communism doesn't grow on trees.
Mix of Socialism and capitalism and state under dictatorship of the proletariat doing stuff is called transition state.

I'm curious to see what it is at the moment.

Let's be honest here, it's not socialism, but imo they should still be defended from imperialism. Definitely the closest thing to socialism in south america


Socialism with petroleum characteristics when?

Perhaps my favorite meme.

I am too, but I'd guess it's greater than ~30% now

More specifically ~70% of the GDP comes from private sector.

You can get that information from on, should be easy to find if you understand spanish.

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Since this thread hasn't gone to shit yet, people's thoughts on the Petro?

on paper it seems retarded and doomed to fail, but crypto is crapshoot so maybe they can pull it off

I don't, sorry

I speak spanish, taking a look at it right now

No, but Venezuela is developing a dual power situation with the worker and communal councils.

Proletarian revolution is entirely plausible there in a year or two. Of course, so is an imperialist overthrow. The latter is probably more likely.

are you talking about the buttcoin or the colombian presidental candidate?

Do socdem instruments of the bourgeoisie count?

Ok, so taking a look around, there doesn't seem to be any information regarding what percentage of the economy is state owned, just the GDP and other useless crap, even those stats are from 2015


That's not remotely true anymore. It's not socialist as yet, but the "70% private economy" meme needs to die.

This is what I wrote in the other thread, and what a Venezuelan comrade told me:

Also this:
worker's control, etc. - really need to support the Venezuelan workers right now.

But they're brown–I mean they make socialism look bad!

I'm sure now the privately controlled economy is much lower than 70%, but I'd still like to know the exact percentage

It's hard to find exact statistics. The German Wikipedia page values the state quota in the BIP as 65% for 2017, which is almost Cuba tier, but they give no source

So I don't know what to think of that - information is super hard to get. It's just what a comrade of the CPV (Communist Party of Venezula who is critical of Maduro but critically supports him) told me.

Yeah, the left discourse about Venezula is fucking retarded. It's super opportunistic. "What, they didn't have a 10% BIP growth last year?" as the main reason to abandon the Bolivarian Revolution. AnComs and LibComs would choke if they read the part about worker's democracy in their new constitutional proposal or their work with Cockshott and their open source project about cybernetic 21st century socialism

oh baby I'm hard tell me more about this

65% state owned?

Again, sadly my source is German.
This is an article of Cockshott about Venezuela in 2007 in English. This is a source of the German economist and sociologist Dietreich who said that Chevez personally shilled "Towards a New Socialism", that the ministry for industry financed it's distribution and national open source project, and that 30k pieces of the book were distributed

No, 65% of the BIP. But I don't know the source since they don't give one

Venezuela switched their entire government office system to use FOSS software. There's a reason why Stallman himself was buds with Chávez.

Sorry, english isn't my first language, what are you abbreviating when you say "BIP"?

Socialism and Communism are the same

Considering this with the fact that they also want to use crypto-currency to undermine the $ makes it quite clear they are a progressive government. They also a) are fully democratic and b) have never done any harm to their population, I have to fucking idea why the left doesn't 100% support them.

Oh sorry, my fucking fault. I meant GDP. I was browsing German articles about Venezuela and GDP is abbreviated BIP in German.

Ahhh ok, no problem mate


no, they want to use crypto to evade sanctions and sell debt. Their upcoming shitcoin is basically a sovereign bond.