Is Venezuela socialism?
Is Venezuela socialism...
Austin Young
Oliver King
yes (yes)
Evan Powell
Pussy fuck
Isaac Thomas
Yes.
Levi Thompson
Venezuela is actually the first major attempt at Kaczynskian deindustrialisation.
Jacob Edwards
No Patrick, a country with 2/3s private sector is not socialist.
Jayden Cox
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Benjamin Ramirez
Venezuela is stupid spineless government with some corruption that is under massive sanctions and no one to back them up.
Still it is closes to social democracy with subsidized food, free healthcare and education etc.
Eli Butler
Communism doesn't grow on trees.
Mix of Socialism and capitalism and state under dictatorship of the proletariat doing stuff is called transition state.
Tyler Anderson
I'm curious to see what it is at the moment.
Hudson Jones
Let's be honest here, it's not socialism, but imo they should still be defended from imperialism. Definitely the closest thing to socialism in south america
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Thomas Sullivan
Socialism with petroleum characteristics when?
Ryder Richardson
Perhaps my favorite meme.
Anthony Miller
I am too, but I'd guess it's greater than ~30% now
Justin Cox
More specifically ~70% of the GDP comes from private sector.
You can get that information from on bcv.org.ve, should be easy to find if you understand spanish.
Joshua Robinson
Joseph Gray
we are recruiting people with photoshop skills
Ayden Lewis
Since this thread hasn't gone to shit yet, people's thoughts on the Petro?
Caleb Robinson
on paper it seems retarded and doomed to fail, but crypto is crapshoot so maybe they can pull it off
Chase Young
I don't, sorry
Grayson Martin
I speak spanish, taking a look at it right now
Adrian Ramirez
No, but Venezuela is developing a dual power situation with the worker and communal councils.
Proletarian revolution is entirely plausible there in a year or two. Of course, so is an imperialist overthrow. The latter is probably more likely.
Daniel Robinson
are you talking about the buttcoin or the colombian presidental candidate?
Brody Sullivan
Do socdem instruments of the bourgeoisie count?
Adrian Fisher
Ok, so taking a look around, there doesn't seem to be any information regarding what percentage of the economy is state owned, just the GDP and other useless crap, even those stats are from 2015
Benjamin Powell
No
Isaiah Butler
That's not remotely true anymore. It's not socialist as yet, but the "70% private economy" meme needs to die.
Lucas Robinson
This is what I wrote in the other thread, and what a Venezuelan comrade told me:
Ayden Hill
Also this: venezuelanalysis.com
worker's control, etc. - really need to support the Venezuelan workers right now.
Thomas Nguyen
But they're brown–I mean they make socialism look bad!
Owen Lopez
I'm sure now the privately controlled economy is much lower than 70%, but I'd still like to know the exact percentage
Anthony Brooks
It's hard to find exact statistics. The German Wikipedia page values the state quota in the BIP as 65% for 2017, which is almost Cuba tier, but they give no source
So I don't know what to think of that - information is super hard to get. It's just what a comrade of the CPV (Communist Party of Venezula who is critical of Maduro but critically supports him) told me.
Yeah, the left discourse about Venezula is fucking retarded. It's super opportunistic. "What, they didn't have a 10% BIP growth last year?" as the main reason to abandon the Bolivarian Revolution. AnComs and LibComs would choke if they read the part about worker's democracy in their new constitutional proposal or their work with Cockshott and their open source project about cybernetic 21st century socialism
Caleb Smith
oh baby I'm hard tell me more about this
Ayden Clark
65% state owned?
Adam Harris
Again, sadly my source is German. 21stcenturysocialism.blogspot.de
This is an article of Cockshott about Venezuela in 2007 in English. This is a source of the German economist and sociologist Dietreich who said that Chevez personally shilled "Towards a New Socialism", that the ministry for industry financed it's distribution and national open source project, and that 30k pieces of the book were distributed
archiv.neue-impulse-verlag.de
Elijah Mitchell
No, 65% of the BIP. But I don't know the source since they don't give one
Daniel Reed
Venezuela switched their entire government office system to use FOSS software. There's a reason why Stallman himself was buds with Chávez.
Aiden Clark
Sorry, english isn't my first language, what are you abbreviating when you say "BIP"?
Ayden Wood
Socialism and Communism are the same
Leo Long
Considering this with the fact that they also want to use crypto-currency to undermine the $ makes it quite clear they are a progressive government. They also a) are fully democratic and b) have never done any harm to their population, I have to fucking idea why the left doesn't 100% support them.
Easton Myers
Oh sorry, my fucking fault. I meant GDP. I was browsing German articles about Venezuela and GDP is abbreviated BIP in German.
Dylan Cooper
Ahhh ok, no problem mate
Lucas Anderson
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Christian Sanchez
no, they want to use crypto to evade sanctions and sell debt. Their upcoming shitcoin is basically a sovereign bond.