Good socialist parties in the US still active

But the IMT are Trotskyists not ☭TANKIE☭s?

It's inconvenient and a major turn-off for many people who would potentially join, so I think it's stupid from that angle, but it does make some sense given that the major goal the PSL is working towards right now is to build up the strength of the party. I don't think PSL is going to be the vanguard, but they see themselves as the vanguard, and the vanguard isn't supposed to be all-inclusive.

Parties have to hold standards if they want to build a vanguard and not just a shitty club. That said, PSL doesn't have very high standards anyway, and it is nowhere close to what is needed for a vanguard.

u need a mass party though, u cant just have an opportunist vanguard in a political arena with virtually no organization of the working class. they are then relying on the revolutionary spontaneity of the working class like some sort of crypto-infantalist. Russian revolution was enabled by strong workers movements and an organized proletariat.

No you don't, a party is inherently exclusive. The vanguard party must work closely with and support the masses while maintaining its forward politics.

That's an oxymoron. The purpose of a vanguard party is that it is not susceptible to opportunism and maintains a strict political line.

The vanguard party doesn't bow down to spontaneity, that's the whole point of a vanguard: it maintains a strict, communist political line regardless of how popular it is, regardless of whether workers are spontaneously supporting it. Your "mass party," is the party that bows down to spontaneity, because by definition a mass party can't exist unless it has the support of the masses!

Read Lenin.
marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1901/witbd/index.htm
marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1920/lwc/index.htm

These guys are a pretty good party. Wish they’d open up a chapter in a state with a population grater than one million.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberty_Union_Party

Speaking as someone who has been involved in communist politics for literally my entire life, I can tell you that the american left is deeply broken: wrought with sectarianism and FBI infiltration. I would recommend that no one join any of the parties mentioned in this thread, except maybe the IWW. Everything parties do is counterproductive. Just get a job at a union shop and try to involve yourself in your union. Advocate gun culture and working class values of solidarity and mutual aid in your social life. If you see direct action projects popping up that don't tie themselves into any particular tendency, then involve yourself. Organize one yourself if you have the means to do so.

Here is a good example of what I'm talking about:
twitter.com/prdcstl

Why the fuck is the left so obsessed with gate keeping? I don't understand how you can claim to want to build a popular movement but then give people a million hoops to jump through to get involved.


This is total bullshit leftist groups have always and will always have a large part of their membership made up of youth. This includes "serious" organization, In 1907 75% of the Bolshevik party membership was under the age of 29.