Jill Not Hill

This tbh, the US is about 100 years behind the west politically: it needs a broad front leftist party.

This is true, but no matter how broad the base of cooperating organizations, they'll still have a hell of a time breaking the current political duopoly. Absent a collapse of one or both of the established parties, I don't think anything is going to work. Berniecarts need to break with the Democratic Party before anything can happen.

No, the movement for a third party is the only acceptable praxis: the Democrats are not some European socdem party entryism will work with; like labour, they are corrupt to the core. A third party praxis does work, actually the best group that ever tried it were the OG SPA. You start with the local. You win town councillors, you win state legislators, you win various minor posts. You build up a base, a name in the community. We are starting to see this occur with DSА and SAlt candidates: expand it outwards with a broad-front group cooperating together and it will get somewhere. Seeding the democrats is only useful a means to undermine them. Sure run your socialist candidate in the democratic nominations: and when they lose run as an independent with the money and popularity gained. The mobilisation of voters who are outside the system should be the aim, and hte infiltration of local government he first goal.

Oh no, I wasn't arguing for putting any hope in the Democrats. They are irredeemable. It's just that the strategy you sketch, of a slow local buildup, is unlikely to lead to any kind of breakout nationally absent a simultaneous collapse of the Democrats themselves. Which is something this third party should not be afraid to hasten; they have to bury the lesser of two evils-thinking which is still prevalent in for example the Democratic Cops of America, who IIRC will not support a third party candidate if they risk having a republican win out.

A broad front leftist third party strategy is the right approach, but people should be realistic in their expectations, which is not a given in today's news cycle driven society.

The Democrats main advantage against such a strategy is they can run an anonymous empty suit against cartoonishly evil republicans in most local and state races. There will need to be mass defections from the party itself, likely the Sanders crowd. The DNC might oblige us, after all they have clamped down hard on the Sanders wing over the last year.

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At this rate, I could see defections from the Dems.

Also you have to remember a lot of independents have been elected to Mayors of major cities that would join a leftist party: like the mayors of Jackson and Birmingham, Mississippi.

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socdems were pretty marxist before ww2