I am not disputing that. I am just mad at the faggots, who just worhship the Roman name, but not the qualities that make Rome great.
Rome never surrenders. They rather made engaged in Total War in Ancient Times, more than a millenia before the concept was even invented, and instead of surrendering like every other civilization would do after their leaders are killed and their entire army killed or routed, they just formed new Legions and elected new consuls and went on the attack.
They weren't sailors at all. But they reverse-engineered a stranded ship from Carthago, put a fucking ram on it, because that's ramming ships directly rather than just using arrows from afar sounded much more Roman.
They built so many freaking ships, which coupled with their limited experience, resulted in one of the greatest naval disaster in ALL of human history, when they all drowned in a storm.. The only ones close to that level of casualities happened more than a thousand years after that.
Isaiah Jones
Not really. They were already given control of the local goverments in some regions. They were the Roman Empire. And I already mentioned how the Roman Legions were practically all foregin, mostly German.
This all happened years before the offical end of the Roman Empire. If anything Germans were the lifeforce that kept the concept of the Roman Empire alive. It would have completly collapsed and failed way before that, if they didn't use German manpower and didn't appease German hordes by letting them settle on their land.
The Romans were extreme cucks in the end. They allowed the Germans to completly retain their own structures, which led to de facto parallel socities. The maps of that time all lie. Functionally the Roman Empire didn't control any of that territory.
Brody Thompson
Then what happened when Rome pulled out of the frontier territories, if all of them were natives anyway?
Nathaniel Murphy
For the average person nothing changed. Lots of institutions survived. Even the Roman Senate, even though the Senate hasn't meant much for hundreds of years.
Jonathan Fisher
Okay so what happened between the overthrow of Romulus in 476 and, say, year 800 for Rome to completely disappear from memory and be replaced with a myth about giant architects?
Sebastian Sullivan
This threads is about video games right?
Logan Reed
Do you know why they call it the dark ages? It's because barely anyone from that period wrote anything down. That's why we know so little of it. But hey Justinian going all Reconquista was kinda cool. Basically the Eastern Roman Empire striked back and reconquered Italy and a tiny part of Spain.
But then a plague came and wiped out so many people that the Eastern Roman Empire had less people than before the conquest. Also the Muslims appeared from the first time in history and cut all of western Europe off from the silk and other trade routes. And they conqured extremely important places like Egypt, which was a grain producing powerhouse and one of the few important regions that actually produced enough food for itself + a big surplus.
Also the Muslims transformed North Africa with their goat fuckery from a tiny strip of extremely fertile land to just an area to herd goats.
This coupled with extremely crippling muslim piracy, which continued for so long that even the United States came in contact with muslim pirates from the barbary States. They also took millions of European Christian slaves.
Is there one Empire in antiquity/middle ages that didn't use mercenaries?
Alexander Wood
The greek city states didn't use mercs as far as I know. But those weren't empires. Once a state became an empire, I think mercs were pretty inevitable.
Luis Miller
Pretty much. You have that story about the Battle of Cannae where Hannibal slaughters upward of 60,000 Roman soldiers by surrounding them, many dying because they couldn't breathe, so tightly were they packed together, and the Roman citizens just go out to the battlefield, collect the dead, strip them of their armor and weapons, bury them and equip new legions with their equipment.
You don't really see that anywhere else in the ancient world, let alone in the middle ages. You have to go right up to the birth of nationalism to see a people recover from such proportionally horrific losses and just keep going, and bounce back when it happens three or four times afterwards as well.
That's wrong. In that era the primary weapon of a ship was the ram and had been for centuries. What the Romans did equip their ships with was the Corvus, which was a boarding bridge with a bigass spike at one end so they could engage in "land" battles at sea.
Barbarian troops were the death of the Empire, because they had no loyalty to Rome, but to their general/chieftain/king and constantly tried to put him on the throne as emperor. And yes, this was a constant problem in Roman history, but by the 5th century it had reached critical levels. What basically killed Rome was a flood of "refugees" that proceeded to erode stability and loyalty to the state from within. The Germanics were a cancer because they refused to romanize and constantly chimped out.
