OY VEY GOYIM WHY AREN'T YOU BUYING OUR CRAP

Levi Hernandez
Levi Hernandez

archive.fo/ZG69G
Or download it directly here desuarchive.org/pdfs/thread/8557/

So apparently games on Steam aren't selling as much as they used to, not that this should be a surprise to any of you faggots. What should surprise you, however, is that they're beginning to admit it if only in an offhanded fashion during a GDC presentation by some nobody.

Also notice the attempt to shill his little publishing brand founded by ex game journos. Nothing suspicious there at all friend. Here, have an archive of their site archive.fo/pxSd6

Now I'm not posting this to dissect this guy's info or to even laugh at him and the morons who still bother with all the shit shoveled onto Steam lately, but figured more that this was something people wanted to see considering how quiet GDC was this year. I would, however, like to get as much info on these fuckers as possible since gamasutra isn't exactly the most reputable site and I'm not really seeing why a guy behind a clone of that one moderately popular dirt bike game from a few years back whose name I can't seem to remember.

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Isaiah Wright
Isaiah Wright

Good luck with that, user.

Ayden James
Ayden James

I wrote about video games for a decade at Gamasutra, Kotaku
Oh great, so he knows nothing about video games.

Jaxon Lewis
Jaxon Lewis

games are selling less
if you calculate it as an average of ALL games on steam
including the 800 new shovelware titles nobody wants released every month

Only a game journalist could be that bad at statistics. I want to see the numbers when you exclude the obvious trash.

Jose Edwards
Jose Edwards

I wrote about video games for a decade at [VOMIT]

Grayson Perez
Grayson Perez

The obvious trash is still a large percentage of the market.

Leo Ross
Leo Ross

Also it seems I had a stroke there at the end but meant to say I find it suspicious that this faggot was able to do a presentation while actual contributors to gaming like Nolan Bushnell were banned.

Lucas Richardson
Lucas Richardson

/cheese grater
OP is slightly less of a faggot today.

Carter Jones
Carter Jones

The thousands of mobileshit PC ports that were completely unknown even on phones, and only got 20 sales on Steam? Really?

Justin Miller
Justin Miller

Yeah, I don't know if you've opened Steam lately, but you have to wade through all that shit to find the stuff that isn't trash. Or you could listen to other people's recommendations, I guess. If you want to be a fag.
the real answer is to pirate everything like you should be doing anyway

John Evans
John Evans

Also a fourth screenshot apparently didn't come through because he actually tried to do that, pic related. I'm sure the cutoff point for what he considers to be a crap game is within shitting distance of the money his turd made.

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Leo Wright
Leo Wright

Yeah that's more like it, but I still assume what he considers trash is so far removed from what we consider trash, it may as well be on an alien planet.

Ryder Clark
Ryder Clark

That strikes me as extremely scientifically rigorous.

Asher James
Asher James

its another shit third tier edrama thread about "video games"
thank fuck for /vg/

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John Johnson
John Johnson

uses median values to describe the average
Yids sure aren't good at math.

Jeremiah Taylor
Jeremiah Taylor

BUY NOTHING FROM TINYBUILD!!

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David Torres
David Torres

My name is Mike Rose and I know nothing about video games
I will now take ALL games on steam and form a meaningless statistic to convince you you need my services
please employ me
Also did he actually fucking trademark "Old Normal" and "The New Normal" or is he just putting that shit there at random? Really comes off as a professional.

Jacob Gutierrez
Jacob Gutierrez

I probably shouldn't have to point this out either but it really bothers me how what many slides in that presentation are less informative than a niggertweet. I'd screenshot them all but fuck it. Just reading this gave me a headache and I have to take a shit.

Dominic Cooper
Dominic Cooper

I'll buy them if the devs are as cute as this Jew.
I want an Ashkenazi boy to fill up my Sephardic boypussy with his Anne frank seed.

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Julian Thompson
Julian Thompson

Keyword here is "in the first month".
I can't remember the last time I bought a game in the first month of its release.

Tyler Myers
Tyler Myers

Are you saying that reading these documents will cure me of constipation?

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Luke Taylor
Luke Taylor

that
cute
Get some fucking taste you faggot hebe.

Ayden Hernandez
Ayden Hernandez

You're going to have to warm me up then, I like my men masculine.

Aaron Mitchell
Aaron Mitchell

Market is over-saturated.
On top of that over saturation is an unending steaming pile of shit.
On top of THAT is an infinite pile of lies and idiots that attach to the latest hip thing because some whiny screaming streamer or big tittied girl streamer likes it.
On top of THAT even , comes the edge lords that unironically buy garbage.

Normal means nothing when everything is shit.

Jack Roberts
Jack Roberts

Steam never should have opened the floodgates for all that indie trash

Landon Gonzalez
Landon Gonzalez

Sorry, don't fuck jews.

Aiden Davis
Aiden Davis

The trademark thing is the least unprofessional part of everything in those slides. Probably the worst part is formulating his professional slideshow sentences like a grade school playground conversation.
I joined a publisher and we did some games and stuff
I use data and maths and stuff
We've got other stuff too but it's all a bit hush hush right now, sorry

This is a pathetic soy-chugging numale with zero real world skills trying to convince a bunch of business professionals that he's "hip" and "with it," the TM is the least of his problems.

Henry Russell
Henry Russell

Your (((get))) says otherwise, Moloch.

Eli Fisher
Eli Fisher

Were I Moloch, why would I fuck over my chosen people? I am Mitra btw.

Brody Morgan
Brody Morgan

average price 10$
mean 12$
what did he mean by this?

Luke Gonzalez
Luke Gonzalez

Yandere sim will be an amazing game( I have funded it) and i am going to buy it when it releases in 2099

Sebastian Bennett
Sebastian Bennett

HOLY SHIT LOOK AT ALL THESE VIDEO GAMES

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David Bailey
David Bailey

Wait,you're complaining about the thread,while stating VG is superior,but still staying in the thread instead of going over there?
Are you Retarded?

Colton Price
Colton Price

he doesn't know the difference between a median and a mean

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Chase Nguyen
Chase Nguyen

No, are you?

Brandon Nelson
Brandon Nelson

Eating a whole cup of soaked lentils helps. Don't respond to derail goons.

Noah Fisher
Noah Fisher

Ah my bad,i shouldn't disparage those who have mental problems.

Adrian Harris
Adrian Harris

But average is used for mean, not median.

Jordan Bailey
Jordan Bailey

median isn't average.

Juan Hughes
Juan Hughes

being this paranoid and pathetic.
Sure video games in here.

Ryder Miller
Ryder Miller

I knew I was gonna have to kick my own ass for not saying "average, median, and mean".

Charles Reed
Charles Reed

but average is mean not median

Noah Campbell
Noah Campbell

Awesome, so his entire research depends on him arbitrarily deciding which games he thinks will sell or not. Way to be objective! Your history at CuckTaco and Gaymomfootrub are really showing!

Isaac Reyes
Isaac Reyes

no that's Mordheim

Benjamin Reed
Benjamin Reed

discussion of video game sales patterns
not video games
Fuck off retard.

Leo Reed
Leo Reed

replying

Christian Diaz
Christian Diaz

being this delusional.
ur mom.

Noah Collins
Noah Collins

Clearly you don't know how statistics work. Medians can be the average if it suits the purpose of your math. Much like the rest of statistics.

Mason Peterson
Mason Peterson

This is why we shouldn't take refugees.

Easton Ross
Easton Ross

This place is refugee central, you would know.

Cameron Diaz
Cameron Diaz

"average" and "mean" are the same, the sum divided by the number of components.
"median" is a completely different thing, it's just the one thing in the middle of the scale. It's like if you arranged 100 people by height, median would be guy #50.

Camden Jenkins
Camden Jenkins

That's how (((statistics))) work. Not statistics.

Jeremiah Flores
Jeremiah Flores

Yes, I'm aware of that.
I'm aware of that, too. The guy we're talking about is practicing (((statistics))) like many others in his field. It's commonplace and has been for decades.

Jordan Mitchell
Jordan Mitchell

Kikes doing it constantly isn't an excuse to go "oh well it's commonplace so let them be." Always stand up and challenge misinformation. You won't convince the jackass spouting it, but you may convince other people who might have listened to him if you didn't speak up. That's why we argue about games on here. "Your favorite game is shit" isn't trying to convince the OP that his favorite game is shit, his mind can't be changed. It's attempting to sway others not to play his favorite game if they see the thread in passing.

Jeremiah Rodriguez
Jeremiah Rodriguez

The developers of Morrowind are far more likeable.

Hudson Howard
Hudson Howard

Games aren't selling as much
While more games are being released a day
But it's them gamer's fault
Not the fact that you're fucking releasing trash after trash

I'm one of these retards that will continue to use steam and half my library is full of trash that I don't even remember getting. The average moron won't even play half the shit they get. Either from a bundle, giveaway or it being dirt cheap you suddenly end up with a lot more games.

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Parker Ross
Parker Ross

You're preaching to the choir, man.

Benjamin Mitchell
Benjamin Mitchell

I want to see the numbers when you exclude the obvious trash
They don't want to exclude obvious trash because that is their bread and butter.

Nolan Scott
Nolan Scott

I'm one of these retards that will continue to use steam and half my library is full of trash that I don't even remember getting. The average moron won't even play half the shit they get.
I hope you realize some day that this is the ideal scenario for trash developers. You say it like it's a bad thing, but this is what they want. They don't care if you play it, they got some money from you. They got a sale. It doesn't matter that it was garbage and you never played it, they got their sales numbers which they can wave in front of a publisher to get money to make another garbage game.

Jacob Ward
Jacob Ward

So apparently games on Steam aren't selling as much as they used to

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Hudson Wood
Hudson Wood

I've got the same problem but with pirated shit. All hard drives must be full, even if they're half a terabyte and its on a nogames console.

Joshua Roberts
Joshua Roberts

That last link proves his point though. Half of earnings came from 100 hames.

Austin Young
Austin Young

Games god I am retarded

Bentley King
Bentley King

How much of that is actually from games and not stupid shit like Counter Strike cosmetics I wonder.

Hunter Nelson
Hunter Nelson

Are hams kosher?

Parker Clark
Parker Clark

Well at least in recent years my dumb purchasing's decreased to a minimum. I think a lot of people are now focusing on 1 or 2 games and sort of ignore everything else. For me I've just been going through my bottomless backlog and been emulating things like Rune Factory for the first time.

I have the same issue with both. I downloaded a bunch of Popcap games out of nostalgia but I have yet to install them. I think I have over 100 gb worth of installed games that I just don't play.

Jaxson Williams
Jaxson Williams

Mmmmn… steamed hames.

Leo Sullivan
Leo Sullivan

Steam is saturated, just like Google Play. There's a game for everything, and there's probably at least 5 different shitty versions of it on Steam.

Not to mention people got used to Steam. Years ago people would buy shit tons of shitty games because they were 20% off. People have learned now that Steam sales are bullshit that will get you 50% off of a game you'll never even play.

I think the guys study has a ton of flaws, but it's foolish to think you can chug out shitty indie games and make good money on steam. That ship has already sailed. But listening to him whine about being too late to a market is a solid sign he doesn't understand the first thing about capitalism.

Brayden Lewis
Brayden Lewis

Get out.

Joseph Jenkins
Joseph Jenkins

I miss when steam had flash sales and generally sales for appealing/good games,all those gifs and webms of 80 or 90 percent aren't on good games,they're on garbage or something everybody already owns.

Jack Watson
Jack Watson

Aurora Borealis?

David Parker
David Parker

Don't like hot Haimes?

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Henry Russell
Henry Russell

Devs have to put effort to make games. It's like entertainment requires certain amount of effort to be enjoyable. It's like retarded Hollywood logic.
We'll put billions in this movie and it'll sell well!

Christopher Watson
Christopher Watson

You DO know we have PDF support, right?

Camden Cook
Camden Cook

Steam died when they got rid of limited time sales because it was UNFAAAAAIIIIIW to people who couldn't access the store within that time frame. You know, despite the steam app on smartphones having all the same store functionality as the desktop or browser version, and the fact every person with a wallet in every first world country has a smartphone on their person every minute of the day.

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Landon Lopez
Landon Lopez

muh dick

Isaiah Jenkins
Isaiah Jenkins

games on Steam aren't selling as much as they used to
And by that you mean shit games aren't selling because Steam is oversaturated with them. Good games, even niche ones, still make a profit.

Michael Perry
Michael Perry

unfair

This was just the chosen excuse used so they could shekel their users harder and you know it, why dignify a dishonest pretense by repeating it?

Leo Gutierrez
Leo Gutierrez

I tried and got an error message.

Adrian Taylor
Adrian Taylor

Steam was never alive.
Good Games
2018
Name some please.

Joshua Hernandez
Joshua Hernandez

Steam can email you when shit you want is on sale, what possible excuse can they have?
Things I want to play are never on sale when I want to play them.

Kayden Garcia
Kayden Garcia

Ken Rolston was such a boss motherfucker among weirdos.

Jose Phillips
Jose Phillips

Well now it works. Maybe you can't post pdfs and images at the same time?

Gabriel Baker
Gabriel Baker

what is monster hunter

Sebastian Price
Sebastian Price

Name some please.
Opus Magnum, Hollow Knight, Ruiner, Cuphead, Darkwood to just name a few.

Hudson Turner
Hudson Turner

Why this thread exist?
Yeah, but on AVERAGE they dont.

Samuel Young
Samuel Young

Oh, okay then.
No fucking clue what was going on with "Kingdoms of Amalur: Reckoning" though.

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Robert Lewis
Robert Lewis

Yeah, but the average includes asset flipping garbage and RPG maker shovelware nobody ever buys.

No fucking clue what was going on with "Kingdoms of Amalur: Reckoning" though.
It was supposed to be an MMORPG until they changed it to single player midway through development.

Leo Clark
Leo Clark

At least i can still get some steam games cheap from third party key sites,better then their garbage deals at least,i also have to do this most of the time if i want to gift to a friend in a different region because of their gift fuckery
"You want to hold a gift until later? FUCK YOU"
"Your friend is in a country where it's cheaper? FUCK YOU"

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Brayden Parker
Brayden Parker

No, it's more like a giant hoard of talent-less hipsters saw a lot of people making good games and lots of money, and then jumped on it thinking they'd all make the same amount of money.

The hipster hoard has arrived on Steam, and they can't understand why they can't make money like people did in 2013.

Missing from the graph are 2016's games (4207)
archive.is/smMDY

And 2017 had over 7600
archive.is/KoKT7

2013, a little over 500 games were released on Steam.

No shit you can't make money on steam like you used to. Maybe if the hipster dumbfucks didn't spend all their time trying to over-saturate the game developer market by wanting to bring in more and more game developers, we wouldn't be this far out of fucking control.

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Grayson Powell
Grayson Powell

this is actually pretty interesting information that frames some of the propaganda about PC gaming in a more realistic light. Indie developers don't do better.

Jordan Flores
Jordan Flores

In case anyone was wondering, Gone Home and Depression quest were released in 2013. That was the tipping point it seems.

Anthony Young
Anthony Young

who is this depressing man
thanks for noticing me
awkward posture
cringed up face
P R O G N O S I S : S O Y

Luke Hill
Luke Hill

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Logan Walker
Logan Walker

Wasn't a Steam gaming crash predicted by the guy who runs Steam DB predicted two years ago? I can remember how games sold worse and worse and he was already seeing the writing on the wall. Also the indiescene as we fought it back in 2014 doesn't exist anymore. The Hipsters have lopped its head off to make gaming gay.

Brody Hughes
Brody Hughes

Every additional year that piece of vaporware doesn't get released I laugh a bit harder.
It amazes me that he still has any kind of audience, but I guess normalfags are known for their low standards.

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Brandon Nguyen
Brandon Nguyen

When it releases and it's shit, reddit will defend it by saying that you aren't supposed to take such a game seriously, like with Goat simulator. Mark my words.

Daniel Gonzalez
Daniel Gonzalez

Hack/Cuck-dev telling a portion of his audience that would have supported him at one point to go fuck themselves while seeing THEY bit the hand that feeds
I will never get over the irony

Austin Rodriguez
Austin Rodriguez

I'm so indescribably happy our current /agdg/ guys aren't as stupid as this cat.

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Oliver Kelly
Oliver Kelly

If you anons weren't aware, Steam takes 25-30% of every game sold. On average. You can sometimes negotiate better rates.

Funny thing is that this cheaper than what a brick and mortar place like Gamestop or Walmart would charge. I think they get 35%.

t. gamedev user

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Wyatt Hall
Wyatt Hall

Ah yes. Here we have the guy. There was also a link to a good article about the coming crash. Looks like it is now here. Here's the article in question. We knew it was going to happen for over 2 years by now.
galyonk.in/some-things-you-should-know-about-steam-5eaffcf33218

Thank you Captain Obvious!

Blake Kelly
Blake Kelly

I knew there was hope for 2018

Jonathan Evans
Jonathan Evans

That last paragraph
Holy fuck I don't remember him being that much of a faggot

Gavin Rogers
Gavin Rogers

My best part about that thread that you don't really get from the screencap is that all the replies were smug anime girls and anons telling him that he was going to fail.

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Anthony Perry
Anthony Perry

It's really not so much a crash as it is the indie bubble bursting because the market is filled to the top with low quality trash no one is buying. The big publishers and their developers won't go anywhere, smaller and indie devs that made a name for themselves will still turn a profit.

David Lopez
David Lopez

nigger, we're talking about a guy who started mining half/v/ and full/v/ for ideas to make a game to do two things:
be able to rub it in the face of a game dev yankike worshiped and who told him that he'd never amount to anything
redeem himself in the face of half/v/, who hated him so much they bullied him off the site twice
we exaggerate a lot on here, but i think i can honestly say he's the biggest faggot i've ever personally interacted with in all my years on the internet

Nathaniel Watson
Nathaniel Watson

Retail rates can also be negotiated but good luck with that unless you're self publishing and also have a good track record.

Chase Miller
Chase Miller

Basically. I could imagine Steam lowering their take if you did something like shill their hardware or VR or some shit. Places like Gamestop and Best Buy usually ask/demand for bonuses exclusive to customers who buy the game from them if you want different terms. (Preorder shit.)

Jayden Parker
Jayden Parker

I have to agree. Indie game market is saturated, and everywhere you go, you see tons of shitty indie games. They are even flooding Nintendo eShop. The bubble is going to burst. This isn't just a Steam thing, it's an indie game thing. And the whole indie scene is going to start bleeding developers here pretty quickly.

Kayden Jenkins
Kayden Jenkins

Considering the indie term has become a useless monicker that only works as a red flag this isn't exactly a bad thing.

Zachary Fisher
Zachary Fisher

I think it has more to do with the fact big names can demand concessions because they know Steam will make a shitload of money regardless of what they cut is, and it will help them maintain their defacto monopoly.

Now, if only Steam could do the smart thing and clean up the store from all the low effort garbage it has accumulate over the years maybe things would return to some semblance of sanity.

Michael Price
Michael Price

The few good games that come out still sell just as much, it's because steam is flooded with babbies first gamemaker trash because there is no quality control, what a dishonest bunch of garbage from these yids

Dominic Taylor
Dominic Taylor

big dick publishers get to dictate terms

It's a combination of things, user. There's no denying that being a major publisher with a yuge game (like GTAV or something) can probably negotiate better terms; especially if they expect to have a long profitability tail with DLC, MTX, and that shit.

Like all business, everyone wants to get everything and give nothing; it's adversarial as fuck.

Steam keeps their monopoly

This, plus the 30% take, is one of the major reasons that places like EA, Blizz, and Ubi have their own storefronts.

Unrelated to this thread, but I'm super sad that Vivendi stopped their hostile takeover bid for Ubisoft. What pussies.

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Henry Mitchell
Henry Mitchell

steam died when valve became kikes, user, and valve has been kikes since around 2014, arguably much earlier even

Colton Turner
Colton Turner

You must not have been alive before Activision was purchased by Vivendi, then.

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Daniel Bennett
Daniel Bennett

M8, ATVI bought themselves back explicitly because they knew Vivendi would eventually mismanage them into bankruptcy.

Benjamin Long
Benjamin Long

Never read words so true. Holla Forums is one of the most casual shitholes on the internet besides reddit and neogaf.

Elijah Wright
Elijah Wright

Hi Yandev.

Luis Thomas
Luis Thomas

release digital garbage without any moderation or quality control en masse on your platform
sales numbers go down
WHODA THUNK IT?

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Landon Foster
Landon Foster

posts why the market is over-saturated
wonders why games aren't selling as good
Some special kind of stupid there

Noah Wright
Noah Wright

/vg/ shilled in vidya discussion threads
/webm/ shilled in webm threads
/tech/ shilled in gaming peripheral threads
dīvide et imperā
amen, as fucked as people are for being suckered into "renting" digital games, things weren't THIS bad
I cannot stand it when people conduct themselves this way. What does it achieve aside from infantilizing themselves?

Elijah Young
Elijah Young

Don't forget that Steam handles distribution all by itself. With retail, you still have to print the disks, ship them, and Gamestop takes its share on top of that.

Dylan Martinez
Dylan Martinez

That's one of the reasons Steam really caught on - they might take 30%, but you still save cash because you don't need to physically manfacture as many disks / boxes / whatever.

Hudson Sanders
Hudson Sanders

So apparently games on Steam aren't selling as much as they used to
At least look at the bullshit you're uploading before you shit up the board.
More shovelware gets shoved on Steam because Valve just lets everybody dump their 3-hour programming project onto the platform and because of that the average sales go down.
Amazing conspiracy you've uncovered, retard.

Andrew Hernandez
Andrew Hernandez

What does it achieve aside from infantilizing themselves?
Indicating they're not attempting to project any sort of dominance and thus not get yelled at by the scary girls.

Josiah Taylor
Josiah Taylor

But "the games" are selling just as well as they always have, now you just have some additional garbage that is pulling the average down, but that average has no real meaning for anything, since steam doesn't care if they are selling 1000 games with 10 sales, or 10 games with 1000 sales each.

Noah Turner
Noah Turner

Speaking of steam, are there any tools out there that essentially unjews your steam library? Something that removes the need for whatever steam dll's and whatnot so you can just play your games without steam?

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Jonathan Gonzalez
Jonathan Gonzalez

Download the game's cracks.

Jaxson Morales
Jaxson Morales

I mean I figured, but was hoping for way that had a lower chance of getting computer herpes.

Ryan Martin
Ryan Martin

It's not like steam isn't mini crypto on you anyway.

Mason Cooper
Mason Cooper

Allow market to get flooded with shit
As a result, higher quality shit gets swamped by the other shit
Everybody loses except those with a publisher or connection that can get your game out there
Steam allowing all this trash on killed any indie games markets that existed. It went from separate markets where you could compete to having to have a big enough budget to allow for marketing and corrupt journalist pay-offs. What a shitfest.

Bentley Bell
Bentley Bell

God I hate that fucking kike.

Ryder Morales
Ryder Morales

It's a simple fact that you can't trust ugly motherfuckers. As soon as they get attention from somewhere more desirable, they'll turn traitor. You should only trust game devs that stay in shape. Self confidence is a potent panacea to limp dicked behaviour. A fit dev will never turn his back on you.

Jonathan Taylor
Jonathan Taylor

Kind of shame we haven't had a longstanding working archive for those prior years.

Carter Taylor
Carter Taylor

At this point, I'd be surprised if anything ever comes out. He clearly can't manage the project, as the game has grown considerably in size, scope, and complexity. His updates have also slowed.

Which is a shame because I fucking love yandere characters.

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Samuel Turner
Samuel Turner

Self confidence is a potent panacea to limp dicked behaviour. A fit dev will never turn his back on you.
Yeah, he's acting like a girl who got cheated on and is rubbing it in her ex's face that she has a new man.

Asher Williams
Asher Williams

Yeah, was only hoping I could just free my legit copies of games from when I used to actually buy from steam.

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Angel Parker
Angel Parker

Wanting an edgy Fujoshit power fantasy in the shape of a game.

Noah Roberts
Noah Roberts

How is it fujoshi?

Easton King
Easton King

hehe, I kill all the girls like an edgelord and I will kill you if you don't do bum sex with my lil' brother and let me record it!
It fucking is, you faggot in denyal.

Christian Scott
Christian Scott

Is that last bit actually in it or are you still just mad at the dev for being a fag?

Jacob Fisher
Jacob Fisher

I will kill you if you don't do bum sex with my lil' brother and let me record it!
something tells me you're the fujoshit if you're coming up with degeneracy like that

Andrew Adams
Andrew Adams

No, but it's just generic Fujoshit yandere power fantasy erotic fanfiction writing.

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Easton Anderson
Easton Anderson

using a youtube embed instead of a webm
comon dumas. I made one for you though.

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John Reed
John Reed

Thanks my man.

Kayden Ramirez
Kayden Ramirez

So you're calling other people a faggot because you've read enough faggot literature to recognize your favorite scenarios. Got it.

Alexander Collins
Alexander Collins

I haven't read it per-se, I'm just stating a stereotype. You shouldn't jump at conclusions, user.

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Daniel Johnson
Daniel Johnson

implying most yanderes are fujos
A true yandere would kill her little brother if he ever got between her and her boy

Ryan White
Ryan White

shouldn't jump to conclusions
literally spent the whole thread calling people faggots

Jose Howard
Jose Howard

t. faggot with fujoshi tier delusions

Easton Roberts
Easton Roberts

That doesn't even make fucking sense. Stop trying too hard.

Austin Murphy
Austin Murphy

t. Baited cuck.

Luis Watson
Luis Watson

That's the point. Shit games are greenlighted every day and bringing down the average. They shouldn't even be considered in the actual game market as most can't even hope to qualify as an indie title, let alone AA, or triple A.

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Adam Moore
Adam Moore

To everyone who is whining about using the median rather than the mean, I'm going to try to justify this. Things that are sold generally follow an exponential, or fractal, distribution of some sort. This means that there are many games that don't sell shit and a few that make millions. You may have noticed that incomes are generally reported as the median, as they follow the same properties. You also see this when looking at most populous cities in a country: there is generally ONE big city, a gap in city populations, four or five that are half that size, another gap, then twenty or so that are a quarter that size, etc. Due to the megasellers (the Bill Gates, Jeff Bezos, and Warren Buffets of Steam games), the mean is skewed upwards and is not really indicative of the results that an "average" person can expect (where average is defined as some individual chosen at random). As such, the median is used instead.

This is what happens when you have no quality controls and allow the market to get oversaturated.

Jayden Phillips
Jayden Phillips

no methodology provided for pulling out "the garbage that would never sell"
still dumping all the games on steam into a single pot and assuming the results paint a useful picture
shilling himself and his new studio when they're not even tangential to the subject of building estimates for sales figures of a game to be released on steam
The worst part is the basic idea of trying to figure out an effective mechanism for estimating sales before release is actually a solid idea, but this retard's going to poison that well with the unique combination of incompetence and malice only seen in the progressive game journo.

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Brayden Murphy
Brayden Murphy

There's a steamfly article linked upthread that's covers it much more rigorously.

Connor Harris
Connor Harris

Everything you need to know about Yandev can be summed up in these words:
15% of the poll wins

Xavier Hall
Xavier Hall

Steam is just approaching the Appstore - a million worthless garbage apps with sub-1% that are worth your time. It's basically a platform for people to vomit out, say, ten games and hope that one even vaguely gets any sort of good press - one small-scale hit could pay for a hundred flops. we'll know it hits rock bottom when one popular game comes out and hundreds of clones spring up and bring us back to what happened in the 80s

Jordan Fisher
Jordan Fisher

we'll know it hits rock bottom when one popular game comes out and hundreds of clones spring up and bring us back to what happened in the 80s
It's already there, they're just not in genres Holla Forums plays.

Jeremiah Evans
Jeremiah Evans

average sales per game on a platform with 10's of thousands of shitty scam products
So it's literally nothing

Jayden Campbell
Jayden Campbell

merely pretending

Joseph Ramirez
Joseph Ramirez

Half of earnings came from 100 hames.
Impressive
DEFKEKON 5

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Angel Russell
Angel Russell

What game was he making I never payed any attention to that stuff.

Camden Young
Camden Young

cheese grater

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Matthew Cox
Matthew Cox

In case you hadn't realized, I am well loud

Is this stupid British slang or something?

Bentley Roberts
Bentley Roberts

What happened to Tinybuild? Did they get infected too? I remember when There's No Time To Explain was just a short concept game released on Newgrounds.
I think it's a speech quirk translated into text without respecting grammar. It should be
In case you hadn't realized, I am, well, loud.
As though he decided to reconsider his choice of words while saying the sentence, which obviously isn't the case, because it's a written sentence.

Brayden Gutierrez
Brayden Gutierrez

I buy quite a few games, but only after pirating them. The issue is always the fact that these faggots simply don’t make good games. They then complain that there’s no “formula” for a good game. Here’s a simple one, focus on gameplay, balancing the difficulty, and replay value.

William Sanchez
William Sanchez

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Jonathan Cook
Jonathan Cook

Th…They're 24.

W…Would you, Holla Forums?

Carson Price
Carson Price

The mean and the median are different forms of averaging. "Average" is just an abstract ideal that you try to find through figures like the mean and the median.

Charles Wright
Charles Wright

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Ryan Price
Ryan Price

We've still got a resident redditer that spergs out at least once a thread.

Nicholas Miller
Nicholas Miller

Of course I would.

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Cameron Cruz
Cameron Cruz

Would you fuck a person who looks like a joke from Homestuck?
No.
For a second there I thought that was Manly Tears.

Xavier Butler
Xavier Butler

A fit dev will never turn his back on you.

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Aaron Wilson
Aaron Wilson

He's fucked either way. The concept should've been left to the Japs to make. It pisses me off too since I also like yandere, though it feels bad to, don't put it in crazy and all that.

It's not that naughty, it's like when something is described as a "Good Thing" but a stronger way to do it.

If they actually make a decent game they can strike big for how much is put into making it. Like Terraria. That sold millions.

spoiler
That's basically what AAA is like these days, with endless remakes/reboots/remasters and they even Frankenstein bits of existing games into other games. It bites certain smaller devs too though, like look at any Tamsoft game.

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Evan Johnson
Evan Johnson

No More Robots
this means war, mate
t./r9k/

Jacob Bell
Jacob Bell

Michael Rose
Big Nose
Michael "The Nose" Rose
WHY AREN'T YOU BUYING MY SHIT

Really activates my almonds.

Jackson Jenkins
Jackson Jenkins

no game about a yandere harem where you have to manage each girl so she doesn't snap and kill everyone else, you included
no Final Destination difficulty where you achieve what all mean have dreamed about since time immemorial, a true yandere harem
Life is suffering and I wish pain on all humanity.

Yeah, but the alternative to that is Nintendo's heavy handed moderation approach back during the NES era (and afterwards). Then again, it was justified on their part to avoid the fate of Atari and the American market.

Do you honestly trust the people at Valve not to inject their personal politics into the vetting process for games?

Kayden Sanders
Kayden Sanders

Thanks for reminding me. Anybody got the cs undergrad meme with his code?

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Gabriel Martin
Gabriel Martin

If me and my friend's games don't sell that means videogames are unprofitable in general
Also let me shill my studio in the middle of my GDC talk
Only reaffirms that GDC is just the usual indiedev suspects circlejerking their indiedev friends in the guise of caring about the industry. Shocking.

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Alexander Fisher
Alexander Fisher

there's dozens of these on agdg but we try to be nice

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Christian Barnes
Christian Barnes

Makes sense to me, all devs are fatties or skeletons. You can't be betrayed by something that doesn't exist.

Nolan Gutierrez
Nolan Gutierrez

Gabe turned Steam into newgrounds and is surprised the games sell like absolute shit.

It's time to give a boot to all those indieshitters, borderline porn rpg maker games or any other game that looks like the author spent less than a month on it's development

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Leo Ross
Leo Ross

It would be funny to see half of san francisco be out of the job oversnight and have to try to organize a new distribution platform.

Thomas Young
Thomas Young

Chris Avellone is a bara and he has yet to betray us.
He still updates this? Even after the nips were passing him by with their own yandere game?
Keeps up to date with it
Complains about it
Sure sure, whatever you say "lost girl"

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Logan Nelson
Logan Nelson

No, it was because of the refund policy. They would have way too many people refunding if they bought a game only to find it was on flash sale a day or so later.

Carter Edwards
Carter Edwards

Good luck getting the refund before the flash sale ends, fuckface.
Don't they still count it as a legitimate use if the price decreases to request a refund?

Cooper Jackson
Cooper Jackson

Oh no who is this thoroughly depressing man
You fucked my shit right up.

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Anthony Kelly
Anthony Kelly

It's ponderous how many shills are even on scurvy sites these days, there's a difference between saying, "Thanks!" to an uploader and washing a game's balls for itself.

Jace Parker
Jace Parker

This. Joined steam some years ago after a friend tricked me into buying a steam-required game from a physical shop.
Seemed alright for the mostpart, but lately it has become a lot worse.
Front page is just constant barrage of shit, and moderation has increased to stupidity.
Games used to be a private thing you did alone or with friends, now they are controlling what you say in chat, what you say/do in games, and which games you can see/buy.

Steam dying would be a good thing.
Pirate games, it is the best way.
gog is a nice concept but they massively overcharge for digital downloads of ancient abandonware games.

Aaron Jackson
Aaron Jackson

Can we kill anyone who gives this fear grimace.

Juan Diaz
Juan Diaz

I want them, the whole set.
Imagine them crawling all over you, their pussies a handspan from their tits. Endless delights.

Lucas Garcia
Lucas Garcia

Ex-Kotaku Faggot actually crying that no one is buying his shitty games.
My fucking sides Anons.

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Dominic Young
Dominic Young

Thank greenlight.

William Taylor
William Taylor

If they actually make a decent game they can strike big for how much is put into making it. Like Terraria. That sold millions.
if their game becomes a meme it'll sell millions
plenty of great games don't get massive success from the 600 gorillion PC gamers that supposedly exist.

Andrew Diaz
Andrew Diaz

I think so, they are either beyond salvation or on the cusp of becoming another sort of ignorant NPC.

Matthew Cook
Matthew Cook

Actually, seriously think about the irony here.

Greenlight pushes to continually lower standards to make the market more accessible and inclusive.
Now the market is flooding most hipsters out.

Jacob Bailey
Jacob Bailey

No more robots is a publishing label built around working with real people
As opposed to those publishers that only work with robots.

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James Rogers
James Rogers

More like imagine your stomach in her face, instead of being able to kiss and cuddle her. Those stubby legs are no good for locking either.

My first exposure to Steam was thanks to Half-Life 2. On dial-up. Thank god for the target21 crack. That was probably a great way to learn to steer clear of any game dependent on online and now I only play games that I have assurance of keeping, official or not.

No but most do. Unfortunately life isn't always fair.

That's when we'll get the crash that needs to happen. Thankfully I have little reason to care if it burns to the ground since there's enough great games to last a lifetime.

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Aaron Barnes
Aaron Barnes

Get out

Josiah Wood
Josiah Wood

your stomach in her face
Nice job, faggot. Why don't you just start handing out invitations to vorefags now?

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Christopher Reed
Christopher Reed

kill all the gamma males
Why bother? They won't breed.

Isaac Price
Isaac Price

yandere harem
Actually, that's a smart idea. While they are busy hacking each other to bits, you can fuck off as far away from them as geographically possible.

Nicholas Butler
Nicholas Butler

you can fuck off as far away from them as geographically possible
What could that possibly achieve? They'd just hunt you down anyway. The genre savvy thing to do is embrace the insanity and tame them.

Daniel Rivera
Daniel Rivera

What the fuck are you talking about? I'm saying that during CSitMP that's where she'll be staring.

Noah Young
Noah Young

HOW DARE YOU UTTER SUCH FILTH

Jayden Howard
Jayden Howard

genre savvy thing to do
Back to 4tropes faggot.

Brandon Wood
Brandon Wood

The term existed before that shithole came into being.

Blake Ramirez
Blake Ramirez

benis, NO!

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Christopher Harris
Christopher Harris

And yet you still learned it there.

Christian Rogers
Christian Rogers

Why are you so upset about yandere harems that you'd strawman this dumbly?

Hunter Gray
Hunter Gray

It looks like that girl is shoving a railroad spike into that guy's mouth and out the top of his head

Asher Clark
Asher Clark

Stated goal was a 2019 release
Hasn't even run his kikestarter yet
Doesn't even have the first rival character done yet
CUCKDEV! CUCKDEV! YOU NEVER FOOLED ME!

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Leo Morgan
Leo Morgan

I'm surprised more competent people haven't already started making a clone of his "game". They know the market is already there, all they need is make something with more content, which, considering the pace cuckdev is going at, isn't all that difficult.

Kayden Butler
Kayden Butler

They know the market is already there
It isn't. It's literally a meme game.

Blake Flores
Blake Flores

buying games
lol

Samuel Rodriguez
Samuel Rodriguez

So? Normalfags will still buy it. God knows they've thrown money at worse shit.

Ian Moore
Ian Moore

Gabe turned Steam into newgrounds and is surprised the games sell like absolute shit.
Steams profit is increasing year by year. Gaben will not run out of hamburgers anytime soon.
Try not to be retarded.

Jacob Wilson
Jacob Wilson

the nips were passing him by with their own yandere game?
Got a link?

Lucas Howard
Lucas Howard

Steams profit is increasing year by year.
Read the thread you fucking retard. Steam might be making money hand over fist but the platform is becoming much less lucrative for the actual developers.

Daniel Martinez
Daniel Martinez

Why would Gabe care as long as he's making money?

Caleb Flores
Caleb Flores

These stats are almost entirely due to mobile shitgames being ported to steam for pennies.

Robert Wilson
Robert Wilson

Because the bubble is about to pop.

David Kelly
David Kelly

but the platform is becoming much less lucrative for the actual developers
The "developers" you are talking about here are the indie cucks that shit out walking simulators like Tacoma or Sunshie, and the asset flippers that shit out a dozen games recycling the same garbage they bought on the Unity asset store. They aren't making money because their games are shit and no one wants them, so they whine like the subhumans they are instead of making a good game.

If Age of Decadence, niche as it is, can make enough money to justify the developer to start making a new game these fucking clowns have no excuse.

Ayden Hall
Ayden Hall

And? He's still going to make money. He's been doing it for over a decade. If I were him, I'd have been saving up my earnings so I wouldn't have to give a shit about market conditions.

Ian Brown
Ian Brown

No but most do
no, they don't. Most don't.

Caleb Watson
Caleb Watson

The indie bubble is about to burst. Big publishers and successful smaller developers aren't going anywhere.

Angel Long
Angel Long

to start making a new game
Two new games, there was that dungeon crawler as well. Granted I don't think The New World will be that good, I dislike the whole continual community-developer interaction thing that it has going on with codex, it strikes me as a sign of a lack of commitment to an idea.
Exactly, suddenly you're going to see the indie clique jump into a new field, probably try to become political talking heads or something.

Eli Howard
Eli Howard

it strikes me as a sign of a lack of commitment to an idea
Nah, VD is pretty clear about what kind of game he wants to make, always has been. AoD is a pretty impressive achievement for someone's first vidya project, and the New World looks to be even more ambitious.

probably try to become political talking heads or something
I honestly don't care what they decide to shit up next so long as they are finally gone. Not like there's many other mediums they can go fuck up since they've infested every possible aspect of Western culture and made it worse.

Jackson Peterson
Jackson Peterson

Reminder that Dlsite takes a non-negotiable flat 50%

Joshua Miller
Joshua Miller

$280 in the first month
i wonder what kind of extreme low effort game i can shit out to goyfarm steam for a few hundred a month

Xavier Barnes
Xavier Barnes

I like my faggots dead.

Lucas Hall
Lucas Hall

That reminds me, aren't those same fags making Necromunda now?

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Kevin Jenkins
Kevin Jenkins

Cuck-Dev Cuck-Dev!!
You never fooled me!
Your game is shit, and should be free

Brayden Reed
Brayden Reed

Are we sure that is even female?

James Morales
James Morales

No but we shall purge it, just because we can.

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Brody Ward
Brody Ward

I hope they don't fuck up the new Mechanicus game. The intro was pretty well voiced and written, they seem to have a competent Black Library writer for the script so the only thing left for them not to fuck up is the gameplay. I would be more than satisfied if it was on the level of NuXCOM.

Levi Russell
Levi Russell

It's amazing how much abuse people will put up with because the premise is everything they ever wanted.

see: Shekel Citizen

Jaxson Sanders
Jaxson Sanders

How the fuck does that make sense?

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Thomas Taylor
Thomas Taylor

With that game at least there's a bunch of alternatives so it's not really them getting starry eyed so much as it them being entry level faggots who weren't even around when Spore and Fable taught everyone a valuable lesson.

Ryder Garcia
Ryder Garcia

new Mechanicus game
A new what now?
Did you mean Quisitor Martyr?

Joshua Sullivan
Joshua Sullivan

Nope. New turn-based game where you lead your magos and his troops looking for ancient technology.

Asher Johnson
Asher Johnson

Also, about a hour long interview with some gameplay.

Ethan Parker
Ethan Parker

activision was super greedy since the 90s anyway, if anything it's gotten worse in recent years.

John Parker
John Parker

Remember his name and the name of his shitty company.
Boycott and attack them at every chance.

Those.

14544886
Stay mad, soyboy.

Killing them is the right thing to do.
All problems on the industry can only be fixed by first killing those open-mouthed soyboys.

Because they should never be allowed to exist.

It is their fault and their problem. Not the consumers'.

Xavier Cox
Xavier Cox

turn-based
fuck

Thomas Lewis
Thomas Lewis

But it's based on a turn based tabletop game.

Jackson Cook
Jackson Cook

It is their fault and their problem. Not the consumers'.
consumers aren't absent from the equation, but it's mostly people like valve, nvidia, etc. fault. They're the ones who constantly parade around how great PC gaming is, how big it is, and how much money you can make.

Michael Myers
Michael Myers

the fanboys, consumers in this case, are part of the equation, acting like valve is 100%. We've all seen it.

Jose Ward
Jose Ward

Turn based is legit.

Benjamin Sanders
Benjamin Sanders

It doesn't really make much of a difference though, now that Tencent bought Vivendi's shares. Same kikery will happen, just from a different megacorp.

Juan Gray
Juan Gray

I have to admit, this does look pretty cool.
Looking foreward to it.

Brody King
Brody King

A store that's saturated with shit is bad for everybody, stop pretending it's just some asset flippers or pretentious indie boogeymen getting fucked and crying about it. It wasn't that long ago that you could browse the catalog of Steam's new releases completely raw and decide for yourself what games could interest you. Nowadays it's so packed it's become virtually impossible to do so, small developers once again have to spend money they don't have on marketing because there's zero visibility, and people miss out on games because they never knew they existed. There's also the issue of getting burned one too many times buying trash, making consumers less likely to try new things. Even piracy is affected by this tidal wave of shit, with hidden gems never getting releases, unseeded torrents and the unfeasibility of trying most games by yourself.

Grayson Edwards
Grayson Edwards

Nah, hop in an oven if you want heat you kike.

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Colton Morgan
Colton Morgan

You're implying people here will put in the effort to see the project through to completion. Remember Anton & Coolpecker?

Jeremiah Parker
Jeremiah Parker

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Tyler Barnes
Tyler Barnes

Why oh why does this man choose to present himself the way that he does? What could drive a man to such madness?

Isaac Taylor
Isaac Taylor

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Brody Price
Brody Price

I've got it: "NoMoreIndians"

A publishing label built around working with actual people.

Ayden Lee
Ayden Lee

Post modernism's one hell of a drug.

Alexander Gonzalez
Alexander Gonzalez

He uses both you dipshits.

Wyatt Taylor
Wyatt Taylor

One game sells 1 000 000 copies, 50 other games sell anywhere between 1 000 and 25 000. Average sales figure is 32 000 copies. Median is 13 000 copies.

In other words, average is fucking useless at best and malevolently misleading at worst.

Adrian Cook
Adrian Cook

Yes, consumers ARE absent from the equation.
ANY seller must treat it's consumers as kings.
We demand, they obey.
Whenever that treat is broken, we ruin everything for them, even if we don't have the right to, because we can.

And people getting burned out of buying is increasing rapidly. And once you get burned, you abandon ship completely, and never buy again.

"NoMoreShitskins" would be better.

Sebastian Hughes
Sebastian Hughes

No it didn't, "trope" is a purely grammatical term referring to nonliteral use of a word, having nothing to do with recurring patterns, and you won't find one single dictionary definition stating otherwise prior to the site's popularity in the 2000s.

TV Tropes itself readily admitted this soon after going online, keeping the term as part of its choice to create amusing neologisms for everything rather than figuring out what the proper terms for patterns it had identified were, and only making up terms when it made something new. This all got wallpapered over when a wave of pretentious nofun faggotry called SPOON came into being on what had been an almost wholly unmoderated site, seized all the new mod positions, and purged all traces of lightheartedness.
t. -pre-crash troper

Kevin Powell
Kevin Powell

Got any more stories of how it used to be?

Ian Williams
Ian Williams

Yeah, I'd love to hear more. Who goes and adds articles for every little obscure web-comic and flash game in existence?

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Oliver Lee
Oliver Lee

we'll know it hits rock bottom when one popular game comes out and hundreds of clones spring up and bring us back to what happened in the 80s
You kidding? Dwarf Fortress, Minecraft, DayZ, PUBG, the entire state of the Roguelike genre.

Jaxson Russell
Jaxson Russell

If it helps, the guy who runs it now is someone who makes games for a living. He got butthurt when Yahtzhee gave a bad review for one of his games and he threatened to remove Zero punctuation from the site.

Jaxon Russell
Jaxon Russell

It was interesting, because it had all the mechanical characteristics of a shithole like early 4chan (totally hands off administration, no hotpockets, totally unsecured pseudonymous "accounts" without even the password protection of a trip, zero content standards, no permanent history, etc.), but without the shittingdicknipples that usually result. The site's community was unironically one of the nicest (if a bit dumb, probably due to low age) I can remember, and the niceness was completely organic. There were things like an "ultimate troll page" that pulled zero punches, yet people didn't get butthurt about it, there were jokes and banter mixed into lists in every page, but none of the arguments ever got angry, just amusingly autistic.

If I had to describe it succinctly, it felt like if ED was made by normalfags.

The downfall came in stages. IMHO the first stage was the breaking of soft taboos against things like (seriously) expletives or porn that had existed to then, as newfags started arriving too fast for acculturation. The userbase had always had a large fanficcer component, but there had been an understanding that everyone would try to be classy. Incidentally, this would result in an accretion of filth that came back to bite the site through its Google AdWords advertising, forcing a massive purge that was also used to justify yet more totally unnecessary censorship, but that was years down the road.

After that, was the forum coming back and causing mods. The forum had existed before, and been shut down due to hacks, but when it came back for good, it was ultimately what lead to the recruiting of moderators. That isn't to say the forum was inherently bad, but it was the first part of the site to get modded, and even if they started exercising a light hand, all the first batch of mod recruits were the biggest dicksuckers on the forum, and the first posters to get posts/threads deleted, and eventually banned, were almost invariably the highest quality posters on the forum, and the shiteaters that repeatedly provoked them were always treated as victims by the mods.

The beginning of the end was when the forum gained formal control over the rest of the site, particularly the "Trope Repair Shop" subforum and its "Crowners" system, which consisted near entirely of squeaky wheel busybodies that would repeatedly push the same unpopular idea, in the face of rejection after rejection, until their lucky day when enough of their opponents weren't present to object, and it suddenly became irreversible law. These people were the ones who pushed for the first mods on the wiki, the first editlocks on the wiki, the first forced renames/moves on the wiki, and the first page deletions on the wiki.

The point of no return was the great negativity purge, which was done through phases of segregation. First everything "opinionated" was split into its own namespace of the wiki (YMMV), then everything "negative" (Darth Wiki), then the removal of real life examples because of "sensitivity", then full "example section-ectomies" to create "example-less" pages for "sensitive" tropes (probably the most ironic being when the page for "Jump the Shark" had its examples purged, since that very trope was inherited from an entire website by the same name, which had suffered a similar downfall shortly before most of its members moved on to found TV Tropes), then those entire namespaces were deleted in one fell swoop, and finally the "new normal" of outright random mass deletions in the main namespace was instituted. At the same time, the forum was reorganized, with the /pol/-like "On Topic" subforum having massive numbers of harsh rules imposed on it, and the /b/-like "IJBM" subforum simply being deleted, accompanied by a massive deletion of the forum's years-long archive history for "performance reasons".

That was about when I fucked off.

He's the same guy who always ran it, I think it's just that his soul wore down, and the abuse routinely practiced by his mods gradually rubbed off on him.

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