Was he right, Holla Forums?
Was he right, Holla Forums?
Christopher Lewis
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Eli Smith
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Hudson Gonzalez
No.
On another note, he's proof that bolshies didn't take out anarchists just for being anarchist, begging the question "were the Makhnovia and Kronstadt on the wrong after all?" and "were the MLs right after all?"
Makhnovia and Kronstadt did something instead of just being anarchist they shouldn't have done and it needlessly jeopardizes the unity of the left by causing age-old qualms between anarchists and marxists.
Christian Wood
no. Maybe lenin was wrong in places, but he's not evil. anarchos need to stop with this meme
Luis Perez
I don't agree. I don't think Lenin was that person he is describing.
We have to take inconsideration those times in Russia. People were really angry. Who can blame him and them?
I might be an anarchist, i might not be Marx appreciator, but i believe that under different circumstances, without the brutal civil war which followed the 1917 revolution, Lenin could have achieved more. He had what? 3 years of peace to start making things before he was dead?
Sure now it's easy to point everything done badly, but like i said, it was another time.
I might not agree with him on a lot of things, but i still respect him.
Elijah Ramirez
Absolutely
End yourself.
Logan Roberts
You are free to look at the sources in citations.
en.wikipedia.org
Also this: spartacist.org
You're free to correct me if I'm inaccurate on these accounts, MLs. As for you, ancom, my claims still stand.
Noah Cooper
There's nothing wrong with establishing independence, attempting to thwart them was a reactionary tactic "you have to be apart of us or you can't exist at all."
Such as?
You're not helping your case, even if that was true, that makes those who didn't want to participate civilian causalities.
Blake Wood
A state, a secret police and a party. All while not calling them that outwardly, but all properly documented by defectors of the >Free Territory as well as personal protegé's of Makhno himself.
>libcom.org
>books.google.nl
James James
Can you use quotes, please?
John Harris
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Joseph Rogers
Due to red army soldiers defecting to the black army, the red army was spread thin in the time of Russian civil war. As you might imagine, that's not very good. The black army later refused to integrate back into the red army and was defeated. What a waste.
And neither are you, because the rebels chose to join the other rebellions against the will of their comrades no less. Civilian casualties pr not, the rebels effectively got them killed by instigating rebellion while bolsheviks had a handful of a civil war already to deal with.
You know you could always ctrl+f that shit.
Brody Murphy
Which they were right to do
and again
Again it was their choice, who you should be pissed at is Lenin for invading in the first place.
What am I looking for, exactly?
Eli Ward
It's typically useful to refer to specific references when you're talking about specific points.
Jose Martin
Please stop implying ancom catalonia and ancom ukraine are the only notion of anarchists societies
Nathan Ross
First book is entirely about the Makhovist non-state and its non-state secret service.
The second link, if you copy it entirely, links to a book with the specific portion I wanted you to see, complete with a ctrl + F onto the key words I wanted you to see.
Kekalonia is even more depressing, so I'd rather only link you to their very anarchic project's exploits only if you ask me to.
Andrew Nguyen
They weren't. The act harmed the red army and bolsheviks rying to deal with the civil war and the peasants who refused to till the fields to make sure people got food, hence the peasant rebellions and formation of green armies which also had to be defeated.
And again, under the circumstances, it was detrimental to the bolsheviks. Your 'being in the right' or 'it's their choice' doesn't change the fact that the country was under civil war with numerous other unjustified rebellions already happening.
They received war bonds in return or money with the grain sold at a fixed price. If that is a problem, then sorry, but it was needed.
More on Makhnovia with sources in the description: youtube.com
Brayden Allen
The act wouldn't have harmed the Red Army if they just fought the Whites together with the Blacks. Considering how the Red Army won regardless and turned out how they did, I'd say those defectors made the right choice. The Red Army could've left the Blacks alone but they were a threat to their hegemony and their power, so they did to them like they did to everyone else who didn't unquestioningly obey them.
Luke Hernandez
no lol.
did that shit eating faggot even read state and revolution
Jacob Gray
No fucking way.
Thomas Fisher
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Charles Young
The Kronstadt rebels had reasonable demands. Why not indulge them instead of executing them to the last man?
Blake Sullivan
Brb. Gonna read an entire book and a chapter from a different before I respond on a chan message board.
Michael Kelly
If he had actually did what he said in state and revolution and given all the power tot he soviets it would have been fine. He went soooo far away from that though. This is what happens with centralised power. Lenin wasn't evil, he was a good guy, but that's what absolute power will do to you with only very rare historical exceptions.