Hello Newfriends: About Our Language

You may notice language on here that is considered offensive in public circles ("faggot", "nigger", etc.) Please recognize that (most) of us are pro-gay, pro-black, pro-pretty much everything and we do not use these terms with any intended vitriol or aggression.

Most of us subscribe to a certain principle espoused by philosophers like Slavoj Zizek, that self-censorship of offensive terminology and preconceptions is in fact a dangerous approach to dealing with problems of persecution. By "holding back" your possibly offensive conceptions of black people, gay people, women, or whatever you're only reinforcing a subconscious understanding that these people are fundamentally different and alien to you and your kind. It is that developed false understanding that bred movements like the alt right, whose ranks are filled by people that were antiracist or liberal once upon a time. By allowing yourself, in the company of minorities or persecuted folk that you call friends, to slip in a racist joke or two, you're "clearing the air". There is no more powerful tool when forging a sense of egalitarianism than mutual laughter. Shutting yourself out only alienates you from potential friends among working people.

We welcome you to try for yourself. Please reply with whatever vitriolic offensive language you'd like to address to me. Kike, faggot, cunt, whatever you'd like. Or, if you're uncomfortable with that, just don't. No one will fault you for that.

Keep in mind, though, that I cannot possibly speak for everyone here. There are hundreds of people speaking from dozens of perspectives at any one time. However, most of the actual racists are either Holla Forums raiders (our evil mentally challenged cousins, ignore them) or nazbols (we only allow them in because they're amusing).

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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalonia
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this should be stickied

Sticky plz

Pic related. These are not the only theories on how to achieve communism, but they are the major strains that have been actually tried in reality the most. There is an overwhelming diversity within and around these strains.

Anarchism is basically when people separate from current society to build their own without a "state" (self-justifying central authority). Example would be Catalonia (revolutionary Spain). en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalonia

Capitalists hate this because it threatens the narrative that capitalism is the best system and they will try to destroy it as quickly as possible.

Reformism is when people work within capitalism to transition to socialism without violent revolution. Example would be FDR (via New Deal), Richard Wolff (via Cooperatives), or Bernie Sanders.

Capitalists hate this and will quickly roll back reforms, keeping the parts that benefit them.

Marxist-Leninism is when people have a violent revolution to seize control of the state and use the state's power to seize the means of production. This is what people think of when they think of communism; examples include the USSR.

Capitalists hate this but have little power to stop it. However, even when a workers' state is achieved, it tends to degenerate into state-capitalism (the state owns the means of production) instead of the state withering away and letting the people take control (that's the idea of what's supposed to happen).

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The problem isn't that the transition doesn't work but that we haven't found a transition that both works and is resilient against capitalist interference.

Don't even know where to start tbh.

Sigh.

Does nobody here read, or what? I'm not talking following Saint Marx's every word, but it all contradicts so fucking hard no matter what you ascribe to.

This is for newfriends with no theory. It's putting it in terms they're familiar with.

certainly not pro-right

You can do this while not teaching them completely random and contradictory ideas. E.g. it's fine to refer to proletariat (old fart term) as worker, or bourgeoisie as capitalist/proprietor/owner or w/e, but speaking of wages under communism is completely idiotic and fits concisely with the memetic idea of "communists want everyone to be paid the same!". If anything, this will turn people off (and ironically, rightfully so).

Example would be Paris Commune. Catalonia went AnCom.

Also Syriza, Corbyn, die Linke, …

Just Marxism. ML is one of (even if the best) versions.

That's not what State Capitalism means. Also, state owning means of production is exactly what should've happened.

Read Marx, FFS. State "withers away" only once productive forces allow it. We haven't reached anything like this yet.

This is bullshit that can only cause misunderstanding, since it is wrong.

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If you can give an explanation to newfriends that is correct and approachable (i.e. not "Read X") then please do so. Otherwise thanks for pointing out these posts are misleading, since that's an important part of the dialectic exercise.

We're not getting new people from that Wolff video. They took the link down from the dropbox so anyone not familiar with us already is going to google "leftypol" and find fuck all. My guess is some people took a peek, were put off by the language, and messaged [email protected]/* */ about it.

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Okay, attention whore. What do you want? You shitposted in every thread already.

I already corrected most of the stuff. Only Marxism remains. Correct stylistic problems (if there are any).

Marxism is when workers have a violent revolution and seize control of the major companies and infrastructure (aka "Means of Production"), of the banks and of the state in general. This is what people think of when they think of Communism (IRL this is Socialism; Communism is the final stage, that requires immense technological advancement, beyond the one any state possesses at the time). Examples include USSR, China, Vietnam, and Cuba.

Capitalists hate this the most and will react in the most violent way to it. Additionally, even when workers' state is achieved, it requires population to be politically educated so as to solve internal problems. Failure to do it leads to internal problems and counter-revolution (fall of USSR, for example).

You don't know the meaning of the term, do you?

Speak for yourself. I use the nigger equivalent in my country on a daily basis.
I'm racist? pfff i have a shit ton of jazz records sitting on my living room.

Where's your moustache?

Bump and sticky plz

I also believe that policing language is just showing how """lefitsts""" are porky wannabies. Proles are biggest scum on earth, using the worst possible language. Trying to police language was always thing how to distinct upper class from lower class.

This comes from the same channers who devolve into autistic screeching about muh sjws whenever they seem a tumblr post saying "fuck whitey."

My trip and sign keep resetting today, for some reason. Cleaned cookies, should help.

Saying "fuck whitey" is the opposite of helpful, CIA.

This, but then actually.

This is why you're called brocialists.

bump

Haha leftypol btfo

Spot on

Mostly because Tumblr posters are completely unironic

faggot nigger spic spook

They tend to be spiteful though. When we do it it's usually banter.

Casually saying 'nigger' is not the same as seriously saying 'fuck white people'. And complaining about idpol is not the same as banning people for 'bad' speech, which is what most SJW forums do.

Cry more, faggot. I am a spic and I couldnt give less of a fuck when I see racial slurs.Go back to your safe space if you cant handle the banter.

Which is when you come full circle and try to deduct intent from words, ultimately becoming the pseudo-cynical equivalent of left-liberal word policers. Either you advocate for a modicum of Sittlichkeit with your emancipatory/progressive racism, or you're an outright edgemaster. It's that fucking easy, and Zizek wouldn't think just spouting obscenities for the sake of it has any potential whatsoever.

If you wanna be an edgelord, then be an edgelord. Own it. The hypocrisy is what makes you so damned obnoxious.

Don't tell me you can't tell the difference between banter and genuine nastiness. It's immediately obvious when someone's a Holla Forums raider because they use these words with feeling.

Go fuck yourself you shit 1st worldist scum. Brasilian here and IDPOL is a reactionary, reactive and is meant to turn every and all praxis into deadlocks.

Remove yourself of life. Thank you.

I will be whatever the fuck I want, reddit. I am free to tell liberal faggots like you to fuck off and you are free to continue with your faggotry or leave. Unlike your safe space, you dont get baned here for wrongthink.

This was meant for this pleb

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this is why youre a nigger faggot that deserves aids, you turn an attempt at reconciliation into more identitarian bullshit, youre a fucking cunt m8, i hope you get raped to death by one of those ridiculous multiracial TV gangs

Hey newfags: LURK BEFORE YOU FUCKING POST

Ever heard of intend? You do know you can call people faggots without actually saying they are homosexual, right? Or call your friends cunts if they're not actually cunts.

lmao fuck off faggot

Oh right and before i forget to say it.

The more you use a bad word for something it has nothing to do with, the less power it has. If you use the word faggot to mean "someone who acts annoyingly or stupid" then it will no longer be a good insult for homosexuals, since its not an exclusive insult anymore.

Bullshit. Someone who's just joking around wouldn't block you for talking back. They communicate their intent very clearly.

lol you fucking shitwafffles i bet you're starbucks drinking prissy faggots complaining about how we can only achieve socialism by fixing every identity's inequalities by splitting up the proletariat into ever more identities with problems that need solving

Nobody here gives a shit if you make mirror image deeply triggering and problematic or anti-male or anti-straight comments on this board to be ironic. I'm all for that. BUt it's pretty obvious most of the time people are saying that, they're Holla Forums falseflaggers or liberals being legitimate about their divisive crap./

Humanity's end goal is to perpetuate its own existance to that of eternity.
Otherwise, human history, past and future, is for naught.

This is not the place for factionalism.

leftypol is a dead board

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I don't think a a bigot could be this subtle,so I'll assume that your a troll(an amusing one)

You must be new here.

fixed your chart comr8

This tbh
Capitalism is a global, not local, phenomenon. It can only be solved globally

No you stupid fucking faggot, it's to prevent those who think "feels > reals" and identity come before class divisions, to avoid things like pic related.
There's a difference between using words and believing ideologies. Go have a look at Holla Forums and then tell me they have the same beliefs about race/sex since they use similar language.

5/10 for making me reply.

Language is a matrix through which thought and meaning are communicated, albeit imperfectly and subject to various context-dependent distortions. The bourgeois order and liberal politics, however, encourage people to think of language's ideas-in-motion as entities in themselves, bearing certain "intrinsic" properties. This oftentimes needs to be un-trained.

I am beyond mad.

I'm tired of the newfriend influx already.

That still implies that reformism and Leninism fail due to intrinsic weakness while anarchism can only fail if it is attacked from outside.

I feel more and more glad that she lost every day.

I read it more as "anarchism will necessarily fall to outside attack."
It can certainly still degenerate along the way. Remember, capital doesn't merely oppose "correct" revolutionary socialism, but anything counter to its own order. Hence a roped-off "anarchist" society must go the way of the USSR regardless of what, if anything, plagues it internally. This is intrinsic to international capitalism, and not contingent upon internal affairs

I made this flowchart which is an edit of this picture. The original showed what the idea was, that these were different approaches of achieving the same thing. My edit was to show what happened historically. Of course anarchism could fail internally, but it gets crushed before it ever gets that far. As for reformism, it's hard to call its failure internal or external since it's not separate from capitalism the way the other two are.

Wrong, it can only be achieved only via the transformative potential of disruptive apps.

To ease you into it I have developed a regimen of self-discipline where I refuse to let myself succumb to auto-opinionation, but I let all my thoughts be determined by a PageRank type algorithm I have successfully internalized. This way I effortlessly surf the organic twitter and well-centred reddit discourse, having own-thoughts is just naive individualism and will make the transition to full cybernesis all the more difficult for your residual self-concept to accept.

Tru, I should have done something about that retarded criticism of anarchism

Can't even tell if this is ironic lmao

Only an AnTrans would be capable of this level of autism.

It's true we are all living in a simulation via the probabilistic argument, however, this also applies to the civilization that created the simulation, and so forth, stretching back into eternity. This, in concern with evolutionary psychology, made it possible for me to be an intellectually satisfied atheist. Our destiny is to complete the causal chain and create the next simulation. Deal with it cishumanist scum.

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fuck you bitch

i'll never stop saying stormnigger

I have actual autism and even YOU are more autistic than I am. Fuck off.

lol.

Obviously, you can't tell when people are just bantering, otherwise you wouldn't live in a perpetual state of being bootyblasted over tumblr maymays.