Do you tell girls/boys your power level?

The only person i've revealed my power level to is my mother, who is pretty left leaning anyway. Not sure about others though.

My parents had the luxury of voting for what I was told was the biggest and most successful Communist party in the history of the West.

Since I live in that country - the same country where Bella ciao was played at Dario Fo's funeral - and I do not ever interact with Holla Forumsyps or people molested by the clergy, I need never, ever to hide my power level.

Italy have so strong communist party?

God no. It seems like every person I've gotten along with recently later reveals themselves to be hardcore right-wingers, so I'm as deep in the commie closet as ever. They're all young too, which is a little disconcerting.

Boys/girls yes, but only if I know they'll be comfortable with it (if they aren't, then it's not going anywhere anyway because politics is too big a part of my life). My parents kinda know but I haven't really told them so I don't think they actually really do know and just think I'm a socdem with slightly more radical rhetoric.

Nobody knows except my anonymous leftypol comrades ;^(

Had. Past tense.

In 1976 the Partito Comunista Italiano was very few % points away from Democrazia Cristiana, the leading party, winning some 34% of voters.

The US and the Church did all manner of ideological devilry they could think of to prevent an overtake, which was a very real possibility.

Of course the US were terrified by the perspective of a Country on the West side of the Berlin Wall going Red…

And in 1984 the PCI won the European elections, the first and only time an actual victory happened.

you are all faggots. how can you be ashamed of being communists? people have sacrificed so much for communism, and you cant even stand up for your ideology?

this is whats left of the left in the year 2016

You're right in saying we shouldn't be ashamed of being communists, but "people died for X" is a pretty terrible argument. People died for Nazism too…

My family and some friends have an inkling of an idea. However, I don't think anyone knows how far deep into the rabbit hole I am.

pick one. don't even compare communist freedom fighters to nazi scum please.

and of course it is an argument. what is your measure of greatness? for me, the selfless acts of countless communists to give up their lives for even the glint of hope that communism will prevail, is the peak of humanity. i know that I would never give my life for anything, so of course I stand in awe and applaud all those people who were greater than me, who gave their lives at 17 and at 18.

I know most people here (if not all) would also never actually die in the fight against capitalism, so the least you can do is have the balls to be able to defend your ideology. your comrades defended it with their lives, you can at least defend it with your arguments

are you one of those "lifelong revolutionary" trots that is part of some useless party and spend their time giving out newspapers?

wow please show me the global superpower party you support you fucking tankie piece of shit

I measure the greatness of ideas according to whether they make sense to me or not.
I couldn't care less about people dying for muh fatherland, because for me it's a pointless idea.
People find an idea worthy of fighting for so they sacrifice themselves over it, not the other way around.

struck a nerve, huh?

I don't actively support any party because all are shitty and useless. Most people already have realized this.

So, are you an swp guy?

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i didn't say i'm in a party. it amazes me though how someone who does absolutely jack shit to forward the revolutionary cause rips on people that at least try. you're essentially a couch communist, no better than the average liberal

then you're human garbage, or a 15 yr old fedora tankie

Lernu esperanton!

Communism is a worthy idea therefore people are sacrificing themselves over it.
People sacrifice themselves to communism therefore it's a worthy idea.
Which one makes more sense?

You care about comrade's sacrifice because you already find the goal worthy. Using thoses sacrifices as a reason to why the goal is worthy is a circular logic.
The martyr's figure can rock you, but it doesn't say anything about the martyr's ideas.

It's not an argument for communism, not an argument against communism, it's just not an argument period.

of course it's not an argument for communism, it's an argument that you should grow some fucking balls and defend your ideology. no one said people dying for communism makes it a good ideology

Griffith a cute

That's why Italy's and Greece economy is such a shithole, tried and failed, defaulted, created new currencies, changed communist leaderships it all tanked. Even faked the books to be eligible for ascension into the EU.

what are you talking about friend? are you having a stroke?

Greece faked the books to enter the EU under conservative rule, with the complicity of a big american bank. Nice try.

If your leftist party isn't effective it is pointless. You don't get into commie heaven for being a faithful leftist and wasting your time handing out newspapers that no one reads

again, i'm not in a party. even if one of those papers gets read by one person, they've done more than you though

No and no.

why are you so keen to defend party practices that are simply not working? I've been a part of the swp and socialist alternative, and I can tell you firsthand they are a waste of fucking time.

The swp are full of old trots who have done the same useless shit for fifty fucking years and will never give up their irrelevant praxis

and sa is filled with liberals that, when I was there, spent all of the activism promoting blm and trans rights

of course not. if you flat out tell your parents you are an atheist/a marxist/other non-socially acceptable things in your society then you have no fucking clue how to be a good son to your parents and you are needlessly worrying them.

reminds me of those asshats with "COMING OUT TO MY PARENTS AS A BABYFUR" videos. learn to not be so autistic comrades, discuss politics and communism with friends and family who seem to be turned off to the subject but be very subtle, that way you can actually gather support and sympathy for the left cause without making those you love secretly think you are a freak

Quite
They didn't bother that much with trying part
A bit of patience, please
No, devalued it until the €uro showed up and they couldn't escape anymore
Except we never had the Communists in charge. Ever.
This is the West side of the Berlin Wall we're talking about.
If you don't like how my country is doing, blame it on Porky, popery, and the US of A.

My great grandfather was a member of the American Socialist party so my parents don't care. They just tell me that communism doesn't work blah blah but its not a big issue with them.

i always say people used the "human nature" argument to keep slavery around and then feudalism.

during slavery these were the same idiots who said "dude its human nature for some to be born as slaves and others as masters, its just like in their genetics"

it's one thing to be against their praxis, and another to be against organizing people

i've gotten that before talking to a dude i've known for 22 years now. "DUDE U SIT HERE AND TALK ABOUT THIS BUT NOTHING WILL CHANGE YOU WON'T DO SHIT SO WHY NOT JUST MAKE A BUNCH OF MONEY BY EXPLOITING PEOPLE AND SHUT UP BRO LOL"

turns out 99% of the people who use these sort of arguments are just literal fucking morons. he didn't even remotely understand that the system was destroying itself (rich getting rich poor getting poorer and collapse the more capitalism decays), didn't even remotely understand that in 500 years when machines are doing all the jobs a communist revolution or literal welfare slave state was inevitable. just thought "lol u communist sit and talk about this but why not do something productive and make lots of money lol"

I'm not, but when their method for organizing people is completely ineffective, it should be criticized and not defended.

90% of the ppl I socialize with are pro-freespeech soc dems and the other 10% are libertarian/ancap. I'm pretty welcomed so long as I say stuff like:
" The state kills more people than any other institution in history not only because of wars which destroys communities and in the modern era primarily targets the poor and the helpless, but also because capitalism as a system is created by state enforced private property rights which starves millions of children each year."
Basically just force everything into the lens of the utilitarian -even though I'm not- and sounding like an ad for some npo, or like dog food or some shit. The best defense is a strong offense.

yes mate, but their will to change the world shouldn't.

I'll never say the terms anarchism or communism but I'll describe exactly what they are. People will generally hear you out if you don't use terms that are widely misunderstood.

agreed. I am not some useless shit, i've helped out with the fight for 15 campaign here quite a bit.

I think my disillusionment is well founded. If you join one of these organizations you can see for yourself

another day, another struggle

i know mate, I've debated this with the prevalent trotskyist party in my country you assumed I'm part of, most of their arguments came down to "do it for consciousness' sake". that being said, i still admire their spirit

that being said, it still doesn't subvert from my original point that people not defending their ideologies are pussies

same here. I have this middle aged black lady coworker who is basically a commie at this point from conversing with me daily for a year. Only problem is I can't throw any -isms or she gets apprehensive. I wish we could rebrand socialism

'livin everyday like a hustle

Before thinking about rebranding, we have to learn how to deal with coopting tbh.

I had a conversation with my professor about the CPUSA, and she recommended me a book, written by her friend who's a socialist.

yup
aka how to lose 20 friends and gain 1 comradeeventuallyif u r lucky.

I am so alone

its ok user. We're all alienated. If you lived in chicago I would be your friend

Why would I hide my political views from my peers? Most of them are poor workers like me.
My parents? Fuck no. They're spooked out of their minds by papa Reagan and I don't wanna piss them off because they're still useful to me and there's no changing the.

Thank you user

I tell everyone who wants to listen whenever the topic comes up, and I would expect the minimum of any other comrades truly interested in social change.

I only tell close friends, so very few people actually know.
My mom is aware, my dad isn't.
He works in the prison system around cops all day, so needless to say he's heavily indoctrinated.

No.

Nah, but according to my mom, my father was even more of a radical fuggin pinko than I am when he was my age.

Wew.

I tell them if I'm asked. Worked out so far since most folk don't know jack shit about communism/socialism to make anything better than easily btfo meme arguments.

Still suckling the teat and the penis…
Sorry, I mean genus!

im pretty open about my beileifs

(don't say powerlevel it makes you seem autistic)

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I say I'm a socdem, this is already considered edgy in my country

well
whatever the political topic, wherever brought up
i'll always say that the bourgeoise needs to be put to death, list their crimes, eventually praise the soviet union and stalin

i'm just very nice and calm about it, not coming across agressive, so people just give it a slightly nervous smile and are ok with me

Sort of. If politics comes up I explain my views but avoid using certain terms. People are much more willing to agree with socialism when they don't know they're agreeing with socialism.

Greece was under a right wing dictatorship for most of the 20th century and then had conservative elected governments when all that happened