NX Prediction thread

No reason these days that Nintendo can't get the same level of hardware for the NX as the Scorpio and PS4K/Neo.

Keyword is 'can't', though.

Assuming the NX is a console, there's a pretty limited selection of options assuming they go for something relatively straightforward.
Within those likely choices, there are things that make more and less sense than others with regards to exact processor or GPU chosen.

I really hope they stick with PowerPC because I like that backwards compatibility

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normalfags that play multiplats on console are

I think the big issue with PowerPC is whether they want to stick with the same 750-based core again or if they went with a different Power processor, which of those options would meet power consumption targets, price targets, and offer seamless BC.

They obviously could carry forward the 750 again, though it's getting pretty close to the end of the line. Maybe something from the G4 or G5 lines brought forward.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerPC_970

Pretty much all of IBM's newer stuff is in POWER, not PowerPC, and is targeted at mainframes for high frequency trading, big brother data banks, or massive retailers/wholesalers processing millions of purchases a day.

normalfags are gonna eat that shit up.

It will be weak. But its not like nintendo cares. They make their consoles for their own games and don't give a shit about anyone else. and maybe thats the way it should be

Well its not like everyone ate up the dsi or the new 3ds. Or even the sega cd or 32x.
I'd say if anything sony and microsoft are shooting themselves in the foot for gimmicks. its not like they havent done that before though

VERY UNLIKELY THING TO HAPPEN… but.

What if Nintendo teamed up with Valve to push Steam OS with a decent Steambox that now has Nintendo's IPs. Fucking Zelda on Linux.

sounds like shit mate

Will Stallman become an in-game NPC?

you may be right, both sony and microsoft released specs that were probably better than the NX and sent it back to the drawing board. They should have had a few models ready to announce depending on the other's reveals. However, this project Scorpio was quite the posturing, forcing the others to step back and recalculate. It could also be bullshit as well, or come in as a console/home pc hybrid that is more a desktop than console.

Anyways, it is all good. The hardware looks to be in place for a golden age, now the devs and new games journos need to kick the sjws out for good and it may be worth not summoning the memetor for another decade…

Stallman would be the old man in the cave. Linus would be Link and Bill Gates would be Ganon. Tim Cook is Tingle. And I don't know who Zelda would be.

Yea, but damn would Nintendo make some people flock to Linux.

Its always an agenda with you people

Calm down, I'm just shitposting. I would love for more support for Linux because then I wouldn't have to either just use Windows or Hackintosh but in the end, it's whatever works.

Besides, you know that if Nintendo went third party, all the shit talking those fanboys make would be moot since they would flock to wherever Nintendo went. Just pointing out Linux might get an extra percent of market share from Nintendo.

I doubt they'd do PPC, AMD can probably at this point outpower an IBM cpu with an AMD gpu for a much lower price point too.

There were a bunch of rumors that the handheld had Tegra in it. But it all started from a paywalled article.

AMD's problem is they don't have a good chip that would work in a handheld. And an IBM in there is not going to happen.

3DS is just an ARM with custom graphics.

An AMD APU is a good bet. I was just outlining the core possibilities for NX if its a fairly straightforward game console. Nintendo may have internal reasons to prefer PowerPC.

That just doesn't make sense.

There were a bunch of rumors that NX would be around PS4 or Xbone levels of performance. Now that Neo and Scorpio are confirmed NX is way behind, again.

it's shit

at this point the only internal reasons would be a senior director getting a nice payout.

But that would make the gap much smaller. Remember, the original PS4 and XBONE are still being supported

It will probably be an Xbox>Gamecube>>>PS2 situation in terms of power

In a twist, Zelda turns out to be you, the user of the proprietary vidya console. Winning unlocks a bootable Linux partition.

But these two systems are aiming for 4k, fuck 4k, just make the fucking thing as cheap as humanly possible but still comparable to Xbox and PS4.

/thread

Then people would complain that it can't handle 4k, like how people complained how the Wii couldn't handle HD.

They're aming for 4k but still can't manage [email protected]/* */ It's going to be a disaster.

If they want seamless backwards compatibility or they don't want to retool their internal development software, I could see them going for PowerPC again. If they don't care about these things, then they probably won't use it.

It's too bad that Scorpio is such an inaccessible console because you need a really long cord to plug your controller into Gliese 682 AND walk all the way over to Antares to insert the disc. Good luck making anything out while using the Bug Nebula as a monitor, btw, it's worse than a an off-brand plasma screen.

I predict
Nintendo and Sega games running fairly alright on the NX
Some indie developers having no problem developing
Some others having problems since they will be porting down from stronger hardware rather than developing on the hardware.

And I predict all the games for the scorpio and neo to be programmed on more powerful hardware than the systems that they are for and that they will have severe performance issues.

>but still can't manage [email protected]/* */

What are you talking about? That's what most of their games are at, aside from things like Smash Bros

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Don't act like a shit load of faggots won't buy into the VR meme.

doubt it, 4k is a meme, in a standard living room setup most users won't see a difference, most media doesn't even support 4k and a 4k console, you're looking at a massive leap in power, those things have got to have a luxury cost, the most powerful current GPUs run modern games like ass on 4k.

I mean the NX is going to come out stillborn because it won't compete on any level, it has 0 momentum less games and isn't from a company with significant mass media reach like Sony and Microsoft.

It would be better to just do what Microsoft did and emulate the games, the Xbox 360 was a ppc system and games like Halo run on Xbox one fine. and that's assuming discs aren't out like some people are speculating, with discs gone this becomes somewhat moot but Niptendo could just port the games to run native on the NX.

We can still ballpark the NX to be close to the PS4/Xbox one because FFXV is coming to it.

No, I'm saying it was supposed to be something like
PS4 > NX > Xbone
But now it's something like
Scorpio > Neo > PS4 > NX > Xbone
and the Scorpio and Neo have a big leap over PS4. They're probably 14nm chips instead of 28nm like PS4 and Xbone. And if NX was targeting PS4 and Xbone levels of performance, it's either a tiny 14nm chip or a typical 28nm chip. Either way, if it's a tiny 14nm, it means they'd have to redesign things to get more performance. If it's 28nm, they'd have to redesign to shrink it to 14nm, and even just shrinking wouldn't increase performance, they'd have to modify the design too.

If Scorpio and Neo are rendering in 4k and downsampling to 1080p, it'll still look amazing. Pic related, Crysis downsampled. You're not going to need a 4k TV to have better graphics if the console is rendering at 4k. PC gamers have been doing this for a while, it's called downsampling.

He's talking about PS4 and Xbone not making 1080p and 60fps.

actually the downsampling thing is something I completely forgot about, I still think it's a stupid upgrade, but of course it will sell, depending on price though.

If they aren't reusing PPC, I think either Bristol Ridge on 28nm or Tegra Parker on 16nm make the most sense.

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nintendo learns their lesson, it's good, people cry about it anyway
it's a part of the ongoing cycle

I admit I am curious about VR and planning to get 1 for PS4 when I have some disposable income.

This was like in the space of a decade

The 3DS updates are a mixed bag I agree

I don't think they will, I think we may see a PPC system again, I think we will see a gimmick again, I think they will actually give us a system that is less powerful than an Xbox one with DDR3 ram for some fucking reason, I think they will make every stupid decision possible even though none of what I stated above is logical at all.

I have no idea what would drive someone to pleb out so hard.

I too think it'll be a very hard sell when RX 480 is going to come in around $200. The biggest competitor to Scorpio is going to be a real gaming PC. And I don't think Scorpio is going to do well there. I'm expecting it to come in at least at launch PS3 prices, maybe even Neo Geo or 3DO (the console) prices instead. Not to mention MS is trying to make Xbox and Windows 10 the same platform. Which is why I'm not sure I understand the reasoning behind Scorpio. It's cool to have a console that powerful, but for what? It's essentially a dumbed down Windows 10 PC that can't be upgraded or used for content creation.

And like I said, AMD is getting really aggressive with graphic card pricing. 400 series is going to be a pretty big game changer. And I'm assuming AMD will do the same with Zen CPUs.

The part with it being a hybrid handheld and console is what confuses me on hardware. Nvidia doesn't really have a serious CPU to compete with Xbone or PS4 and AMD doesn't have a CPU that scales low enough for the handheld (and x86 on handheld is probably a pretty bad idea). AMD had plans for ARM APUs, but I don't know what happened to them. I think they got shelved for x86 after Lisa Su took over and told the chuckle fucks at AMD who were focusing on mobile and low end to fuck off.

The rumor with NX being Tegra had to do with Nvidia never really getting any design wins for Tegra, and Nintendo being able to beat Nvidia up and get a really favorable deal for Nintendo.

So lets talk about 4K and how console will magically handle it. As of now, even on PC, getting games to run 4K @ 30fps require a lot of horsepower and expensive as fuck to the point its not viable to the majority of consumer unless you're a very very hardcore gamer with plenty of disposable income. Right now, I'm still skeptic about Scorpio and Neo to run 4K without any problem. 4K isnt even a standard for PC gaming, how the hell a console gonna manage that?

The Tegra SoC has ARM reference designs along with Nvidia's own Denver cores [which I would imagine Nintendo would not use]. AMD does have an ARM core on the way, K12, but if Nintendo went with an AMD APU with ARM cores they'd probably just use a reference design.

VR for PC is very expensive, this is the recommended spec for oculus
cinemablend.com/games/Oculus-Rift-System-Requirements-Announced-71938.html

On top of buying a VR, I need to upgrade my PC too. I'm going for the cheap route and see if VR is worth the investment

broken laptop PC master rice here:
Does it have to be a powerhouse? Nintendo hasn't really been banking on power and instead has been focusing on gimmicks ("new way to pray game!") and family friendly titles. Wii sold exceptionally well during it's gen, DS was always weaker than PSP (from what I've heard) and yet Nintendo remains unstumpable on the handheld front since fucking gameboy.
They're pretty much set with their current audeinces. I don't even keep up with Nintendo any more, all I want is a new GOOD or at the very fucking least decent final Metroid so I can forget about them and get on with my life.

It's pc, it's scaleable, and the OSVR is the same price to the PS4vr and is comparable spec wise, on top of being the only hardware upgradeable headset.

the best value of PC vr is that you can run old classic games in VR and you can get VR porn.

Whatever fam enjoy your lesson game or whatever it is.

Yeah, K12 was supposed to come earlier but they postponed it. Even stock ARM CPUs aren't really close to what AMD has with their Jaguar CPU in PS4 and Xbone.

Nvidia has the GPU to compete with Neo and Scorpio, let alone PS4 and Xbone. But they don't have the CPU. I almost wonder if the handheld is Tegra and the console is and AMD APU. 3DS being ARM and the console being PowerPC hasn't really stopped ports between the two consoles.

That doesn't matter now, AMD designed 480 just for VR and the base model is $199. Granted the PSVR headset is a bit cheaper than everything else, but $199 for the graphics card isn't going to be that bad.

Pretty sure A57 and A72 can both outperform Jaguar assuming same core count and higher clocks.

If Ninty is going for the "family gaming machine" angle then they're going to be marketing more towards the parents, but mostly towards soccer moms because of spending habits. So it'll be a MILF machine.

It'll never ever happen, but Nvidia does work with IBM to supply the GPUs for US government POWER-based supercomputers.

I'll pass, if I want to play a game on low setting, I play it on console

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I know that video is supposed to showcase shit graphics, but I cant help but appreciate the lack of blur, bloom and post processing on the wii side/ Fuck pointless visual hindrances in modern games

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Nope. A72 and A53 are close to a Core i3 under 2ghz.
notebookcheck.net/HiSilicon-Kirin-955-Octa-Core-SoC-Benchmarks-and-Specs.163438.0.html

x86 always seems slower because it's usually running bloated Windows with a bunch of bullshit that's not optimized. Android and iOS are a lot lighter.

I doubtful of Nvidia too. They have fucked over MS and Sony hard enough that they both want absolutely nothing to do with Nvidia. Basically, if something goes wrong with an Nvidia product in a console, Nvidia won't do shit to help.

Question, does Nintendo have a patent preventing others from developing another handheld with a second screen? Would be pretty scumbag if they do, but I wouldn't be surprised with copyright/patent laws.

I don't know the answer to that but I would be amazed if they didn't. Namco (I think) had a patent for games on loading screens. Everything gets patented.

A lot of implication there. I already told you I dont want to waste too much money on VR hype, and PS4 VR game will be optimize for the console but on the PC, they probably gonna optimize it for their preferred spec and above.

I dont believe VR is future of gaming, its just a fad like motion control. You only use it for a few games before throw it in the closet

I don't give a shit about graphics, I just want it to have good games and a normal controller.

Sadly it won't have neither

The 955 is only 4 A72 cores and another 4 A53. It's not 8 A57 cores or 8 A72 cores.

And I said fine in the first place, enjoy your locked VR, my main implication is that you are a hard pleb for doing so. accept your 2nd rate vr experience.

I don't think it's the future but I think it's much more than just a gimmick, too bad every developer is treating it like a gimmick, everyone is making shitty gimmick games with it when all I want is to play FPS and immersive first person RPGs with it.

like poetry

I'm aware. But even then the i3 has a 56% clockspeed advantage and it's only two cores.

Remember that the power of a console means more for games than how pretty the games are.

Suit yourself

Is it a gimmick, just like motion control, just like 3D gaming. Peoples like doing thing the normal way, remember when 3DTV was all the rage? nobody watch 3D movies anymore, they preffered 4K over 3D, doing things normally but in higher fidelity, same with gaming.

Because they didn't work that well and were prohibitively expensive

Just like VR

You seem to be misunderstanding my main point about the second rate experience, it's an issue of content and cheap and sleazy systems to attain the performance needed to run vr with interpolated frames, the push for gimmicky as fuck VR games, the complete lack of freedom in terms of content and the lack of good classic games that will never be available on psvr, but even then on PC you can scale back the junk to gain performance, bloom, dof, motion blur, ssao, all that shit is junk, and on top of this a new GPU to outpower the PS4 Neo would be the cheaper option and as I said with the PSVR it's upgradeable, if you are saavy enough you can buy a 4k panel and shove it in giving you a better experience then is available anywhere else

On top of this I'm not accepting a second rate vr experience, my PC easily outpowers the PS4.

VR is a hobbyist thing with actual traction behind it compared to 3d which was pushed heavily by film companies. motion control which would have been on it's death knell at the same point VR is at right now.

I meant OSVR.

VR does work well if you have the specs though

It's still very expensive but in about 2-4 years it probably won't be

Of course. If you used wireless and downloaded your games, the input lag and download speed would be way too slow. Several weeks too slow to be precise because of the speed of light delay. You didn't think this through before posting a smug anime girl, now did you?

Well, almost all sony peripheral work on PC, maybe PSVR can too whether with sony support or 3rd party software.

Then why do you want peoples that below the recommended spec to get VR for PC? Even a mid range PC outclass a PS4 but not all of them are suited for VR which require your PC to render 2 images at the same time.

Getting a top class VR experiences require you to buy a VR headset + upgrades which would cost you around $600-700 total just for a gimmick.

Watch this, then you tell us, OP.

It will be yet another underpowered console riddled with gimmicks Nintendo are guaranteed to throw away next gen making them pointless to begin with.

Pretty much this.

Streaming service/Nintensteam

ITS DEAD TO ME

I predict it's gonna be trash, but I'm cynical. As long as it isn't gimmicky trash, I'll look into it. Meaning a normal fucking controller. If they wanna have an optional, non-intrusive gimmick in a normal controller form like motion control or a touchscreen, fine. Or, hell, make completely separate controllers. But for Christ's sake, give me something that won't make my carpal tunnel any worse.

Why is reimu cry

I remember googling Nintendo Revolution after E3 2006 and getting a link to "/wiki/Wii" and being confused as fuck, later realized it wasn't a Wikipedia thing and was actually called like that.

Do you have arthritis?

erry generation

excited for the possibility of nx being a handheld/console dealie since being able to play hyrule warriors or something on the shitter without lugging around a huge tablet would be fantastic

Can they just fucking have a GC virtual console already?

never ever

Since there hasn't been any leaks from third party devs, they're gonna throw them under the bus again.
After maybe a year of first party games, they're gonna bring out a Unity-based development api again, and the development machines will cost a buttload of money (again).
It will be an integrated sysem, working in tandem with the 3DS, tablets and smartphones. How exactly, I can't tell, but I guess you may be able to use the mobile units as a second controller or as a replacement for the tablet controller something like that.
The OS is going to be based on Android.

If Nintendo releases the NX before spring 2017, the console is doomed basically.
There's no way that they'll be able to get a semi-custom Zen+Polaris APU in it in that time frame - which is why PS4K and Scorpio are releasing Holiday season of 2017 because all the console manufacturers are running on AMD's semi-custom silicon division's timetable right now.

In the same regard, the PS4K and Scorpio are probably going to be the best hardware value per dollar in a long time in terms of consoles.
To get a PC of similar value probably need to spend 1.5X-2X the amount of the console, even working around the wangblows license and assembling the hardware yourself.

I thought PS4K was supposed to be out holiday 2016? It's also supposed to be running on Jaguar, just clocked higher.

If it is actually coming out in Holiday of 2016 from the leaks with 8 jaguar cores and a 1790~ SP GPU then they might have been able to get Polaris, on there, maybe the RX 460 or RX470 or something similar.

That might be true though, because they marketed it is as "4K media ready" or something along the lines and MS marketed scorpio as "Native 4K game ready."

in either scenario it is pretty cool to see console hardware upgrades more frequent than 8 year cycles

When is this shit going to be revealed anyway?

No thanX

"It's not about the horse-p-power of the system"

It sounded like he was about say horse shit and he caught himself

The current NoJ president said there's going to be a press conference in the Fall. It could be any where from September, October, or November (at worst).

All I care about are the games, it could be weaker than a PS1, but if it has better games than the XboneS or PS4NEO then I still won't buy it because it's not hard to have more games than "0"

You consolefags are hilarious. When are you going to join the master race?

There are no Nintendo games on PC

I'm *an idort.
*Was. I didn't buy any consoles this gen because n0gaems

Then buy your nintendo console and get a PC too, or wait for emulation. Why does the power of your console matter though? Especially when compared to consoles whose entire worthwhile library is on PC.

LITERALLY WHAT ARE YOU DOING

This. Bunch of poorfags on Holla Forums I swear.

There's a difference between being an idort and idiot.

but now you're just going back to just the specs thing when I said it's more than just specs, and even a mid range PC does outclass a PS4 so you'd still be getting a better VR experience on a mid tier pc visually a long with better freedom and less of a focus on gimmick vr games like what will be the standard on PS4, sure you will get them on PC but many game developers have already shown that they will update some older games with VR support and there are other hacks to bring vr to some older games that don't. if your PSVR works on PC good for you.

I had no idea Nomura said no girls allowed haha I just watched some wiggas get trigga'd HAAHa and the best part they're gonna buy it anyway HAHAHAHA the cancer is waining

To be fair, this is no different to what they always say.

It wouldn't have mattered if the Wii U was as powerful as the Ps4/Xboner, nothing would have gotten me to buy it.

Conversely, it doesn't matter to me if the NX isn't going to be as powerful as the PS4 Neo/Whatever-it's-called or the Xboner S/Scorpio/Whatever-it's-called, I'm still going to buy one just to play Zelda.

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