Anti-Muslim thread

They don't exist in a big enough number for it to matter. I mean mohammed was literally a merchant capitalist ffs.

1.4 billion people don't matter? Most of which live in the countries where they suffer under capitalism the most i.e. Asian countries?

And all the thinkers before him and after him, barring Jesus, were either warlords, slaver owners, feudalistic kings or temple owners of the muh privileged class.

Whats your point?

How many are comrades?

Hmm really makes me think. Like maybe Christianity is compatible with socialism while Islam isn't. Hmmm

I'll say it again:

If "Islamic communism" is a real thing, and Prophet Muhammad is seen as a Lenin-figure who sought to implement full communism and complete abolition of social hierarchy, why the FUCK aren't Muslims who are actually living in the Islamic World fighting for such a system? Why is "Islamic Communism" only a thing in western universities and intellectual circles?

"B-b-b-but muh PFLP!!!" - yes, and Palestine is just ONE Muslim country, and a tiny one at that. The PFLP likewise has never been "Islamic communist" and was actually started by Palestinian Christians. Not to mention, most Palestinians are generally quite liberal when it comes to religion and Ramallah has a bar scene (1/5th of Palestinians are Christian too, and many are atheist/agnostic/secular).

So where are all the modern-day Ali Shariatis? Where are all the Muslim Oscar Romeroes? Why did the Arab Spring result in liberal democracy in Tunisia and Egypt and civil war in Libya, Yemen, and Syria as opposed to socialist revolutions?

How many historical socialists were practicing Christians and/or libertarian theologians? Was Lenin?

Why would you think that? Assuming Jesus even existed his followers immediately proceeding him were preachers that lived off the labor of their devotees. The church system which many think are a negative and parasitic organism began here.

Besides, are trader merchants from ancient times even the same thing as capitalists? He bought low and sold high, not had armies of slave whose labor he exploited like the bourgeoisie.

We at least have real-world examples of Christian and Jewish socialisms whereas the only "Islamic socialisms" that have existed where either Soviet client states like S. Yemen or turd positionists like Nasser and Gaddafi. The Ba'ath Party has never been proletarian and their primary ideology is straight up Arab nationalism.

It should also be said that while the Kurds are Muslim, they have always been quite modernist and heretical, and in no way are they fighting for a system that mixes Islamic theology with Marxism. Öcalan's "big guys" in terms of theory are Murray Bookchin, Hannah Arendt, and Teddie Adorno (all of them Jews, interestingly enough), not Prophet Muhammad, al-Ghazali, or Ibn Tamiyyah.

People pushing for "Islamic communism" are ideologically very close to Third Worldists: they believe socialism happens magically if people's minds are conditioned to it enough. I'm sorry, but how the fuck are any of these Muslim-majority nations anywhere close to being able to pull of genuine proletarian socialism (NOT pan-Arabism or turd position like Gaddafi and/or Nasser)? Most of these countries are complete backwater and would ultimately become hermit nations like the DPRK or fail harder than the USSR in its late stage.

Islam is shit and so imperialism, why is this so hard for Holla Forums to exist.

Except Jesus literally said that porkies were all inherently evil sinners and that in order to be good you had to hold all your property in common.

islam, christianity and judaism are from the same tree

so is communism and the federal reserve

nice historicism there buddy

Well how are any countries pushed towards socialism? You would assume countries getting fucked extra hard by neo-liberal imperialism would be prime candidates for revolution. But how does this message reach the proletariat?

And when you have just general socialist theories that have worked before, and will work in the future, why even use religion to augment it like Liberation Theology or Islamic Gommunism? Has it really helped? How and why?

That worked out great didn't it? Didn't he also suggest that kings and rich land owners aren't all that bad as long they are charitable and good practicing Jews Christians? He didn't like the temple system but he didn't tell the Rabbis to give up their wealth.

We should ban all the anarchkiddies and liberal redditors on leftypol
Also count me in. Ex muslim here.

also so is Christianity. It thankfully has been neutered

Christians and Muslims will both have to renounce their shit ideologies or go to gulag.

I'm sorry, but how the hell are any of these Islamic countries ready for revolution when most of them are barely at 20th century levels of development? The only Muslim countries I could see pulling off a successful revolution would be the porky Gulf states like Kuwait, Bahrain, Qatar and Dubai, and only because they have more than enough exploited proletarians AND are highly developed technology and infrastructure-wise.

It's not just about the so-called "will of the people" or how much they suffer. Yes, humanity is important, but using appeals to emotion in order to make a case as to why socialism would work in a country that's still mostly feudal like Afghanistan or Morocco is almost like a 19th century person saying Africa needs capitalism because tribal warlords are assholes.

this.
all openly religious people deserve to be gulagged. muslims first though.

So now the problem isn't their ideology but the material conditions which they find themselves in?

nah, you're a moron.
i'm all for attacking religion and idiotic ideologies, however you won't drag me into your stupid ethnic/race war.
i won't attack ad hominem.

nice try tho stormturd.

It's not either/or. At this point, the Islamic World is going for pan-Islamism because 1. there is no more USSR to fund genuinely left-wing movements in the region like it did back in the 1960s and 2. socialism wouldn't be able to work in any of those places except for a select few (Gulf countries, *maybe* Turkey or Iran) even if it was able to assume power.

Pan-Islamism is just bourgeois nationalism with a religious face. Back in the mid-20th century you saw the rise of pan-Arabism which, while internationalist and anti-imperialist, was heavily racialist and succeeded in turning ethnic minorities in the Arab World into the "Other" (in particular, Mizrahi Jews, who were never Zionists until pan-Arabists accused them of being so). In today's world, pan-Islamism unites all Muslim nations under a common flag but does so at the expense of religious minorities in the Islamic World. Regardless as to whether or not the flag is green, red, and black or just a solid black with the shahada, the same Arab Sunni chauvinism remains.

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While I really appreciate the hate this board has for Muslims, it's important to note the existence of taqqiyah.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, in practice you can't really trust reformed Muslims, moderate Muslims, or those who claim not to be Muslim anymore. The Islamic ideology is like a plague that hides when you hunt it down.

Look at the French Islamic extremists, outwardly they were completely unislamic but they still communited those attacks.

It isn't enough to be anti Muslim in theory as I assume many of you are. You have to be that in practice as well. Join us when we protest against Islam. Let us form a left-right alliance against Islam so that they have no friends to take refuge in.

Where and how much is Pan-Islamism being pushed? Any reason why it can't be turned for the purposes of liberation?

Wait wait, let me guess. Obama is a secret Muslim right? :^)

Spooky thread.

you do realize that you stormidiot never convinced anyone but yourselves.
your stupidity and fallacies are too obvious, particularly here.

Pan-Islamism isn't anything close to socialism in theory or practice. It's bourgeois nationalism at its best.

Why would we even want to harness it for the sake of liberation? Historically speaking, every time communists have tried partnering with religious leaders it's backfired. Iran in '79 is a perfect example, where Iranian Marxists allowed themselves to be trampled upon by clerics.

he's hiding his ethnic purge goal behind islam.
obviously, not all minorities are inherently muslims so he blames them of being secret muslims. its kinda funny to read.

just like in their torture chamber when somone disagree with them, he's a kik or a CTR shill.

and his arguments no matter how soldid they may be are dismissed.
its a sectarian behavior at this point.

bici bici kurdistan