Genuine question from a new guy.
I've heard a few of you guys say that Anarcho-Capitalism isnt real Anarchism. My question is why? I mean hell, its literally in the name and like you guys they also want to abolish the state, so I fail to see how they arent genuine anarchists?
Thanks for your time
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Aynclaps support hierarchies and coercion that arise from and preserve the institution of private property. They don't want a state, but they still want a mechanism that upholds private property through violence (and thus, also upholds exploitation and hierarchy by which the bourgys who have property fuck the proles who have labour power). They are opposed only to the state, not other forms of hierarchy. This makes them not anarchists.
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Anarchism refers to the libertarian tendency of the socialist movement. It has always meant this. That's where its origins are, with socialists. In the U.S., when the anarchist movement was weak, an old Jew bastard decided to co-opt terms from the left to propagate his shitty propertarian ideology. Go to anywhere else, anarchism and libertarianism still mean what they've meant for hundreds of years.
It doesn't matter if its in the name. If I begin to call myself a conservative but when I say that I mean a communist, what then?
It's an abuse of words.
Also, for example, DPRK… do you know what it stands for.
Finally, the opposition to the state is not sufficient to be an anarchist. Anarchism, as was implied earlier, has is an anti-capitalist ideology. Go read a book.
Anarchists oppose opression
There would be a state, just a state the people have absolutely no ownership of
The abolition of the state is not the primary goal of the anarchist. The primary goal of the anarchist is abolition of hierarchy, hence an-archists are opposed to hier-archy. Ancaps are not actually against hierarchy because they are perfectly okay with hierarchy so long as it's done privately rather than publicly.
OP here, thanks guys
Ancaps don't want to abolish the State, they want to privatize it.
quick clarification: opposed to unjustified/ non-consensual hierarchy.
an-caps essentially advocate a patchwork of mini-states in which the property owner is king of their own property.
But user, if they sign a voluntary contract to become my child sex slaves that makes it a consensual hierarchy. If the alternative to being my child sex slave is starving, I'm actually even doing them a favour. That means that Aynclapism is Anarchism after all. :^)
If I hold you a gunpoint and tell you to suck my dick, that's still a voluntary exchange right? If the alternative is taking a bullet in your head, I'm actually doing a favour to you.
No, that would make it a violation of the NAP. What you need to do is get a third guy with a gun to shoot me if I don't suck your dick, but all the while you also have to say that you don't agree with what he's doing and you think he's being totally wrong while I suck your dick at gunpoint.
Capitalism can't function without a state, ancaps just want to privatize the state.
so circumstantial coercion can't exist in your fantasyland, correct? a rich man in the food business who wants many sex slaves couldn't ensure that there was a food shortage, so that many starving little girls could be done the favor of being taken in as his personal cockservants? Not *technically* coercion - no guns - but he has still created conditions that are ripe for him to get his sick fantasies fulfilled AND to look like the good guy for it.
It really goes to show how meme-tier of a philosophy ancapism is if you considered there to be even the remotest possibility that I was not 100% shitposting in that post.
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Ayncrapitalism from a functional standpoint is just feudalism
Anarchists want to abolish hierarchy. Hierarchy is where some people have power over other people. In capitalism, the capitalist class has power over the proletariat because they can force them to sell their labor for less than its value. Therefore capitalism is inherently hierarchical.
At the most basic theoretical level, anarchism and capitalism are incompatible. In practice, anarcho-capitalism is just another superstructure to reinforce feudalism as the base.
Unfortunately they are "real" anarchists
the most basic and concrete answer:
1. anarchy = abscense of hierarchy (an archy)
2. capitalism is by definition hierarchical
3. something hierarchical cannot be anarchistic
and then no one was fooled