Batman: White Knight

Carson Gutierrez
Carson Gutierrez

Where were you when DC comics decided to let one of their writers turn the Joker into a social justice warrior?

For Batman: White Knight, writer-illustrator Sean Murphy (The Wake, Punk Rock Jesus) created a version of Gotham with real, modern-day problems, and then let Batman solve them by making him the villain. How? In the comic mini-series' alternate-reality, it's the Joker—cured of his insanity—who sees that Bruce Wayne is just another part of the city's vicious cycle of crime and sets out to stop him.

"My main goal was to undo the comic tropes while changing Gotham from a comic book city into a real city—a city dealing with everything from Black Lives Matter to the growing wage gap," Murphy says. "[But] rather than write a comic about the wage gap, I gave those ideas to the Joker, who leads a kind of media war against Gotham's elite by winning people over with his potent observations and rhetoric."

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Eli Phillips
Eli Phillips

Bruce Wayne is just another part of the city's vicious cycle of crime
Ah yes, Batman's equivalent to Superman's taking over the world.
Black Lives Matter
And there went all potential.

Ryan Russell
Ryan Russell

Yet again another fun elseworld idea ruined by retarded writers not seeing the real issues in life.

Hunter Hernandez
Hunter Hernandez

The original murderous conception of the character by Bill Finger and Jerry Robinson had to be toned when the Comics Code Authority was established in 1954, but in the 1970s the dark, murderous Joker came back.

I want to punch this person. I want to punch them so hard.

"We know the Joker is a genius, we know he's relentless, and we know he can play the crowd, so why not make him a politician?" Murphy asks. "Frank Miller modeled him after David Bowie. Chris Nolan showed him as a controlled sociopath. I see the Joker as Don Draper."

They're going to make The Joker Stephen fucking Colbert. An entire else-worlds to make The Joker a fucking political pundit.

Jack Jenkins
Jack Jenkins

Seriously. It could've been about Joker having to deal with everyone hating him while he tries to put his life together and the other characters for or against his being incarcerated or killed anyway for his past crimes. But no, it's just a thin plot so the writer can shove their political opinions on people.

Easton Carter
Easton Carter

Oh, and

In the 1940s, when the Joker was introduced in Batman #1, the idea of having a masked vigilante face-punching foes seemed like a good way to fight crime.

This person is a fucking retard and I want them to go away forever.

Tyler Smith
Tyler Smith

Why? Black Lives Matter? Wage gap? Why? Who gives a shit?

Adam Brooks
Adam Brooks

I'm angry because on the surface, it sounds like the kind of classic Joker plot we haven't seen in ages. The Joker goes "legit" and turns all of Gotham against Batman. I can see it all in my minds eye, complete with tv puns and a Soupy Sales-esq scheme. It's beautiful.

But no, we have to have an entire book that's The Daily Show with Jack Napier.

Andrew Watson
Andrew Watson

The original murderous conception of the character by Bill Finger and Jerry Robinson had to be toned when the Comics Code Authority was established in 1954, but in the 1970s the dark, murderous Joker came back.

FUCKING CASUALS

Brandon Long
Brandon Long

You know even with the SJW shit this could have potential. They could portray the Nu-joker as a extremely corrupt politician that is good at covering his tracks and pushes this shit for votes/power. Eventually making Gotham turn on Batman to "Make our Streets Safer."

But these people couldn't make something that interesting. It will probably end of being a story on how the "EVIL RICH WHITE MALE" Bruce Wayne is the real villain or some horseshit like that.

Thomas Jenkins
Thomas Jenkins

I have absolutely no interest in this book.

James Mitchell
James Mitchell

These characters have been done to death now, and they’ll keep on regurgitating new, tired and weary plots till they go bankrupt.

Gabriel Myers
Gabriel Myers

created a version of Gotham with real, modern-day problems
Should I keep reading?

Liam Cooper
Liam Cooper

Save yourself the headache.

Josiah Cox
Josiah Cox

So this is just supposed to be an Elseworlds thing, right?

Parker Rodriguez
Parker Rodriguez

Only if you want to rant in length about the current state of comics the world

Yeah, an alternate reality mini-series.
They could've done whatever they wanted, and they picked this.

Samuel Garcia
Samuel Garcia

Whoever wished for more Elseworlds minis must've used the monkey's paw.
Joker is Batman and sane
So this is a retread of I, Joker minus the dystopia? Sad, I like Sean Murphy's work in Tokyo Ghost and Chrononauts

Kevin Ross
Kevin Ross

Mainstream talent are unimaginative hacks

How surprising.

Thomas Wilson
Thomas Wilson

They could've done whatever they wanted, and they picked this.
They should just gender swap all the characters, draw them lewd and make the final fight a volleyball match on the beach in a sunny day.

Mason King
Mason King

Sean Murphy doing the art
Its SJW garbage
Fuck

Dominic Phillips
Dominic Phillips

Seconded.
Imagine the uproar from the SJWs.
They’d get publicity worth millions – for free.

A mini-series that is just pure lewdness, scantily clad gender-swapped characters and absolute mayhem. If they actually made it good, that’d be even more hilarious.

Tyler Howard
Tyler Howard

Yes, you should. You need to find out how a single elseworlds comic managed to piss-off everybody.

Mason Cox
Mason Cox

I told you to stop messing around with that monkey's paw.

Didn't we have that and wasn't it called "Amecom Girls"?

Angel Robinson
Angel Robinson

Story time?

Isaiah Gomez
Isaiah Gomez

elseworlds by a literally who
probably won't get stocked unless ordered at most places

oh noes whatever will we do

Caleb Clark
Caleb Clark

Honestly we shouldn't allow this guy to write his own comics. Punk rock Jesus was a fucking mess.

Kayden Ross
Kayden Ross

writer/artist of Punk Rock Jesus, artist of Tokyo Ghost, The Wake, Chrononauts, Joe The Barbarian.
literally who
Only if you've been under a rock or haven't kept your ear to the grapevine.
probably won't get stocked unless ordered at most places
Who wouldn't order copies of the latest Batman comic, canon or otherwise?

Henry Rodriguez
Henry Rodriguez

Fucking this. I could feel all my hype deflate the moment I read they want to tackle first world issues into a motherfucking elseworld story that for once shows Batman as the villain. If there is one good thing about this is that SJWs will probably not like being represented by the Joker of all people, but its hardly a consolation. I legitimately wanted to read this without any Black Lives Matter and wage gap bullshit. Why, Holla Forums?

Anthony Ramirez
Anthony Ramirez

I told you to stop messing around with that monkey's paw.
Fuckin make me

Jace Richardson
Jace Richardson

The sad thing is that I would love the "media war" plot idea covered in comics, since it's so rarely seen.

Imagine a story where Lex Luthor forcibly purchases the Daily Planet to assimialte it into his media conglomerate. He turns it into a propaganda mill for LexCorp, unknowingly stressing out his enemy's private life as he's forced into inserting political bias and violating his own beliefs of what constitutes journalism. Bam, a fantastic Superman story and a potential classic.

Ian Perez
Ian Perez

I remember there was a story like that in the 80's or 90's. Joker thinks he's killed Batman, becomes sane and gets his skin fixed. He leads a normal life and gets happily married but then learns Batman still alive and loses his shit and turns back into the Joker.

Honestly, I would like to see a story where Batman turns evil and see him unleash his wrath on the villains but this is fucking stupid.

That sounds like an excellent idea.

Landon Russell
Landon Russell

I remember there was a story like that in the 80's or 90's
Was it called Going Sane and was it in a comic called Legends of the Dark Knight?

Gabriel Lewis
Gabriel Lewis

sauce? I tried looking it up but couldn't find it.

Henry Davis
Henry Davis

I remember that. It came at the point right about when the social justice stuff really blew up. I don't think DC has the balls to try something that lewd again yet.

Brandon Morris
Brandon Morris

Not sure, I remember reading it as single issue.

Noah Morgan
Noah Morgan

I think he called himself Joe Kerr and got a house in the suburbs, the whole deal.

Jose Moore
Jose Moore

It was.

Brody Martin
Brody Martin

Then maybe so.

Jaxon Rodriguez
Jaxon Rodriguez

I, Joker

Matthew Edwards
Matthew Edwards

Thanks fam.

Noah Kelly
Noah Kelly

Well, if this Elseworlds leaves a bad taste in your mouth, at least we have Nightwing: The New Order coming out next month.

Nightwing gets pissy at superheroes and sets up a Nightwing Army to kill all metahumans and aliens.

Landon Lopez
Landon Lopez

Just another blatantly obvious sign these writers view right as wrong and vice versa.

John Wright
John Wright

That sounds awesome. But he'll be painted like a monster instead of just right. It's the same thing they always do with Superman.

Julian Myers
Julian Myers

"Our Heroes Are Human".

Goddammit, this is gonna be another hamfisted racism allegory, isn't it?

Henry Williams
Henry Williams

The issue I tend to find with comics like these is that authors tend to really, really stretch situations and such to make the situation plausible, which tends to lead into everyone looking dumb as hell in the comic.

Like maybe taking down evil metahumans and aliens I can understand, but going after ALL of them despite some of them being heroes (and far better ones than Nightwing at that) or civilians / bystanders (which to be fair are usually non-established characters in the first place created just to make the "dictator" look bad.)

They also tend to pick the worst characters to do this with, characters whose established personalities and such would never do such a thing even in the wake of tragedy.

Matthew Sanders
Matthew Sanders

I've never heard of any of that crap

Evan Flores
Evan Flores

For some reason I keep thinking of Wolfenstein the New Order.

Matthew Lee
Matthew Lee

They also tend to pick the worst characters to do this with, characters whose established personalities and such would never do such a thing even in the wake of tragedy.

The weird thing is, this New Order shit would work perfectly for Batman, since Batman IS actually a racist asshole towards metahumans who distrusts people with superpowers. "Our Heroes Are Human" is exactly the kind of slogan that he'd use. Not so much with Nightwing, who has never had any problem with metahumans in his comic history.

Gabriel Martinez
Gabriel Martinez

In a possible well written scenario, which this isn't, Nightwing would take up Bruce's hatred to a heightened degree maybe after seeing Bruce get killed by a metahuman. Turning his anger against all metahumans and the heroes that didn't help Batman in the right moment.

Hudson Adams
Hudson Adams

fuck off casual

David Turner
David Turner

There was an interview floating about on one of those "dudecomics nerdcred lmao" sites.

The synopsis is that Dick leads an army to hunt down metas and aliens due to them doing something bad in the past, but then the army he leads targets his family for some reason (maybe he's with Kori? Doesn't mention it) so he teams up with the last guys he has been hunting and overthrows his own forces.

It could very well be made into a leftist allegory, but it's written by Kyle Higgins who did v3 of Nightwing (Nu52, which wasn't too bad). Higgins pretty much only works on Nightwing and Batman comics, and nothing he has done strikes me as particularly shit. He does want comics to be for everyone, but he has only done that through making new heroes/characters instead of replacing old ones and doesn't force them beyond their intended arc/story.

Actually, on the topic of Higgins and left-wing shit, he did created a French Nightwing for Batman Incorporated. He was called Nightrunner, who was an Algerian-French Muslim. The kid was caught up in a bunch of Muslim riots, by both sides, and realised that both the police, government and his community were at fault, so he ignored his race/religion and targeted both sides. It's not often that you see a Muslim hero admit his own people are at fault and actively target their ways. Most of current year writers would just pull a The Movement and make the police the baddies constantly.

Art is by Trevor McCarthy, who did the second vol of Nightwing; the early 2000's stuff, and currently does Batwoman. I like his art, but it gets squandered on a lot of projects, see: current Batwoman.

The two of them worked together on Batman: Gates of Gotham, which was alright.

Comes out at the end of August, 6 monthly issues. I'll storytime it when it comes out and we can hate/love it together.

Andrew Bailey
Andrew Bailey

Sounds like it could be good.

Isaac Edwards
Isaac Edwards

The kid was caught up in a bunch of Muslim riots, by both sides, and realized that both the police, government and his community were at fault, so he ignored his race/religion and targeted both sides.
The synopsis is that Dick leads an army to hunt down metas and aliens due to them doing something bad in the past, but then the army he leads targets his family for some reason (maybe he's with Kori? Doesn't mention it) so he teams up with the last guys he has been hunting and overthrows his own forces.
Doesn't sound too bad, especially if they will go neural route and talk about dangers of extremism. It might even be a nice surprise, depending on how they will handle Nightwing suddenly having problem with metas and aliens. Unfortunately, same can't be said about White Knight, since author already mentioned wage inequality and BLM.

Liam Murphy
Liam Murphy

metahumans
I will never get used to that damn word.

Wyatt Martin
Wyatt Martin

but then the army he leads targets his family for some reason (maybe he's with Kori? Doesn't mention it) so he teams up with the last guys he has been hunting and overthrows his own forces.

Well, that's shit. I figure they would actually explore some genuine issue in this comic, but no, it's just another "hero is with the designated bad guys until his loved ones get in the line of fire, then switches sides" trope.

Kyle Higgins

Well, that explains it.

Nightrunner

I remember trying to read some of that, but the dude was just so bland and boring that I quickly dropped it. Actually, that goes for basically all of Batman, Inc.'s international Batmen, none of them were memorable.

Easton King
Easton King

Batman Inc wasn't very good. It was just "lmao batman but with a regional accent and costume :DD"

Henry Roberts
Henry Roberts

See the idea of "humans decide to kill metahumans and aliens" is one I want to see done well, but every fucking time they do this whether it's Marvel or DC they never follow through. One character eventually decides "nah this is wrong" and the metahumans win in the end.

Gabriel Perry
Gabriel Perry

since author already mentioned wage inequality
live in a third world country
mother worked all her life as a teacher for our glorious goverment
all teachers get the same wage
you want to get more shekels?
level up by taking tests and get a higher rank
she did that and know is living a comfy retired life
Have any of those writers worked in their entire life? Hell I worked in a shitty factory and everyone got a wage depending on their job.

Xavier Sanders
Xavier Sanders

"My main goal was to undo the comic tropes while changing Gotham from a comic book city into a real city—a city dealing with everything from Black Lives Matter to the growing wage gap,"
Wow. Absolutely none of that sounds fun. Realism is the worst meme.

Nicholas Fisher
Nicholas Fisher

The current western model is to pace everything from the slowest runner.
Meritocracy is discriminatory, and Lord help us if someone gets their feelings hurt.
Enjoy, my man. The first world is imploding and you are the inheritors of our position.
Provided the decaying husks of Europa and America don't irradiate the world as a final fuck you.

Wyatt Gomez
Wyatt Gomez

Realism is the worst meme
Another thing we can thank Marvel for.
"How will people believe this story of a man with spider powers unless we show him having to pay rent?"

Austin Gomez
Austin Gomez

First draft of the script you ordered

"A thousand young black men killed by the police this year and we ignore all of them, but one crazy kills an officer with a gun he should never have been sold in the first place and we make that our top priority. I can take to the skies and be Superman, but the citizens I protect can't take to the streets and demand justice."
Clark hesitates on his article. We see the title of the piece, "The New Face of Terrorism". He sighs before regretfully clicking submit.
"Well, if Clark Kent can't protect the most marginalised in our society, Superman will."

Eli Myers
Eli Myers

Punk Rock Jesus
Oh god I can already tell this is going to be shit.

Liam Allen
Liam Allen

Alternate reality mini-series about CIA when?

Nicholas Edwards
Nicholas Edwards

First I read Mile High Comics isn't coming to San Diego Comic Con, then I read this fucking shit?!

John Hill
John Hill

It was called Going sane and yeah it was pretty decent

Alexander Cox
Alexander Cox

At this point the third world is going to be hit as hard as the first if not more from the waves and what comes next is going to come from a lot of people dying worldwide or something much worse, their plan comes to fruition.

Isaac Brooks
Isaac Brooks

The worst thing is that realism could be really cool if the writers weren't such dumb fucks trying to pass off making relations with the lives of everyday people as realism when if you really had super-powers your life would be very different.
You will never see a super-hero with camouflage, no spandex and/or bland clothing as a disguise or to get away from the cops
You will never see a super-hero trying to come up with the different types weapons and gadgets to help him in scenarios where his powers aren't favorable
You will never have a super-hero with powers do in-depth research on military tactics and the like to have any type of upper-hand other than through dumb luck
The amount of times I see a hero get the element of surprise and gets to plan out his attack perfectly when he doesn't have fucking x-ray vision is infuriating. Having a hero always have the threat of an ambush, trap or sniper looming over his head would be quite enjoyable if he was smart enough to always take it slow and not just barge in with his bare hands. Of course Marvel can't even do their regular shit correctly so the chances of having a good truly realistic character is slim.

Christopher Perez
Christopher Perez

I read someone actually owns the word mutant and will sue if they use it. Not sure if true?
I have feeling this one will be good. It has so much potential. I'd be surprised if they screwed it up.
I love gender swap stories. I would buy it.

Caleb Moore
Caleb Moore

5 issues (of 8) are already finished
first issue releasing on October 4

We're limiting to 1 or 2 colors only per page — Sean Murphy with colorist Matt Hollingsworth on Twitter
orange will be the main color there

Jeremiah White
Jeremiah White

Marvel uses mutant, and there are mutants in lots of horror films.
They just wanted a cooler name than Mutants to describe heroes, so "Meta" (Beyond) and Human get mashed together.

Aaron Sanchez
Aaron Sanchez

Marvel copyrighted "mutant".
Yes, I realise how ridiculous that it.
Yes, I realise that "mutant" is a real word, used to describe a real thing in the real world.
I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY DID IT, EITHER.

Marvel and DC co-own the copyright on "super-hero", between that and Marvel owning "mutant" is why we have "metahumans", "Ultra-champions", etc.

Jackson Bell
Jackson Bell

They didn't copyright the word Mutant in general, they just have the sole right to publish it as a title in a comic book about superheroes.

If they took anyone to court, even DC, over using the word mutant in a normal manner, they'd be tossed out of court after the Jew lawyers milk both sides for as much as possible.

Michael Harris
Michael Harris

mudslime batman
Man I totally forgot about that trash

Jordan Carter
Jordan Carter

McCarthy has nothing to do with Rebirth Batwoman.

Noah Johnson
Noah Johnson

The original murderous conception of the character by Bill Finger and Jerry Robinson had to be toned when the Comics Code Authority was established in 1954, but in the 1970s the dark, murderous Joker came back.

Can you please explain why this is wrong? I'm genuinely curious.

Mason James
Mason James

People who want you to believe that these things are real issues. They Aren't.

Christopher Ortiz
Christopher Ortiz

They're going to make The Joker Stephen fucking Colbert.
*John Oliver

Michael Carter
Michael Carter

But imagine Joker losing his shit over Bruce Wayne's two scoops.

Julian Powell
Julian Powell

real life has become the DRK I still hate the book
Why? Black Lives Matter?
It is inline with the blaming Batman for the bad guys routine.

Brody Flores
Brody Flores

I agree him on a few things but why does he have to be a fucking moron? And he is the moderate left.

Dylan Gomez
Dylan Gomez

I guess this is what I get for wanting more mini-series.

Benjamin Martin
Benjamin Martin

BEWARE THE MONKEY'S PAW!

Julian Sanders
Julian Sanders

Oliver just pretends he's a moderate to sucker in drooling retards on TV, then they think "Gee, he's always in the right, I wonder who else thinks like him" and wind up all the way at Groucho Marx.

6.68 MB
:^)

Brayden James
Brayden James

Take a look at this cover from a story published in 1952 and see if you can figure it out for yourself.

Chase Davis
Chase Davis

What are they going to do now?
#villainslifematters
#henchmanlifematters
#henchwomanlifematters

Zachary Adams
Zachary Adams

(checked)
I'd read a storytime of that

Isaiah Kelly
Isaiah Kelly

That's a trade. The story was four issues

Kevin Campbell
Kevin Campbell

liberals being smart and using allegories, even shitty ones
Silly goy, it will just be normal BLM :^)

Alexander James
Alexander James

It's like caring about black and white people when there are fucking mutants or some shit.

Adam Robinson
Adam Robinson

First, it's wrong because the Comics Code was based on DC's own internal code at the time, and since the vice-president of DC was serving as vice-president of the Comics Magazine Association of America, the people who ran the Comics Code Authority, the Code didn't affect DC at all.

Second, it's wrong because The Joker was toned down long before the Comics Code was even a thing. Like back in 1940 right after editor Whitney Elisworth saved the character from dying at the end of his first appearance. Bill Finger, being a writer, realized that having a multiple murderer running around made Batman look impotent against crime, so he cut down the body count severely by his next appearance, and by 1942, The Joker stopped murdering completely.

It's essentially an encapsulation of every ounce of bullshit batfags have been spouting since 1986.

I still hate the book

Read it with Adam West as Batman and it becomes the greatest book ever written.

Lucas Wood
Lucas Wood

it becomes the greatest book ever written.
becomes

Easton Lewis
Easton Lewis

I agree him on a few things
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Alexander Fisher
Alexander Fisher

Storytimed here:

Oliver Lopez
Oliver Lopez

Now I want to see a Trump Batman running around in a golden batsuit.

Daniel Campbell
Daniel Campbell

Let me clarify. I was responding to this as in "It was called Going Sane."

Robert Howard
Robert Howard

Honestly, I would like to see a story where Batman turns evil
What did I say about messing with that monkey's paw?

Kayden Bennett
Kayden Bennett

What did I say about messing with that monkey's paw?
Was it let's keep going and see what happens?

Asher Lopez
Asher Lopez

I want a drawfag to get on this. Except replace him with Barron Trump and add in Jaden Smith as his arch nemesis.

Connor Jackson
Connor Jackson

Tacticool

Chase Watson
Chase Watson

What is wrong with Mark Millar? Was he raped by a superhero?

Owen Flores
Owen Flores

He just does a lot of edgy shit. Though surprisingly he did write the Superman TAS comic series. Turns out it was pretty good.

Juan Jenkins
Juan Jenkins

Was he raped by a superhero?
You tell me.

Joseph Morales
Joseph Morales

So lemme get this straight…
Batman is going to fight against the BLM and the Joker will be a propagandist ala CNN, Stephen Colbert and the other usual suspects… Are they really expecting we will side with the Joker on this?

Julian Robinson
Julian Robinson

These delusional faggots quadruple down every single time they and their Marxist agenda get BTFO, do you expect anything more from them?

Jaxon Sullivan
Jaxon Sullivan

If you're wondering if they are really so out of touch with reality that they don't have the sense of self-awareness to realize that their actions make them look retarded.. Yes. They are really that far gone. It's a type of madness induced by years of cognitive dissonance.

If insanity can be thought of as a short-circuit in the mind's ability to correctly perceive the world around them, then these people have made themselves insane by trying to reconcile bullshit ideology with reality for years… and now they're at the point where they think "I know! Let's make the most violent, nasty supervillain in pop culture a charismatic propagandist so he can spew rhetoric for our side in a politically charged comic that no one wanted!!"

Sebastian Reed
Sebastian Reed

joker running BLM
that's actually kinda funny

Brandon Long
Brandon Long

The mind that came up with the story probably imagines the lying press to be some kind of brave heroes that deserve recognition so that is why he came up with this idea.

Chase Ward
Chase Ward

Say what you will about this comic, but I found it entertaining in a trainwreck kind of way. I have fond memories when this was storytimed some years ago specially the anons' disgusted reactions to Nemesis impregnating the hero's daughter.

Aiden Taylor
Aiden Taylor

Am I seeing it, is it really a loss reference………..

Xavier Wilson
Xavier Wilson

lol

Luis Phillips
Luis Phillips

It doesnt even need to be edited.

Ethan Robinson
Ethan Robinson

Had a talk with someone who was in the later stages of long-term kool-aid poisoning. After a certain point, they stop being reality as it is, and instead see it as an ideological war where they have convinced themselves that if their side loses, it means they get murdered.

So instead of seeing comics are just entertainment, or people as individuals, they see these things as battlefields where even if it's completely moronic, they have to make an attempt to "win" a fight for their ideology. In this instance, it's making Joker a charismatic leader for BLM, because if they don't use the opportunity then they aren't using their power correctly. For the same reason, celebrities have it in their head that their large following and their place in the public eye must be used to influence the rest of society, otherwise they are misusing their power.

Owen Hughes
Owen Hughes

Go on…

Sebastian Long
Sebastian Long

It fit. The Joker is irrational, change his mind all the time and overreact to minor details while ignoring the more important matters.

Jackson Phillips
Jackson Phillips

You can(not) miscegenate.

because your nigger boyfriend punched you in the uterus to induce a miscarriage

Joseph Evans
Joseph Evans

890701
Leftists truly are a sick bunch.

He is also the bane of a newly sane, politically active Joker who is hell-bent on bringing wage equality to the citizens
They ALWAYS think "the citizens" want wage equality and that gommunism is popular, especially in a city modeled after stereotypical America.

Rather than simply beating comic book readers over the head with a social justice theme
No, because having the Joker be "the champion of the little guy" and incite the proles against "the city's one percent" is definitely NOT beating readers over the head with a social justice theme.

But hey, this has some promise for meme material where we point out that the Left unironically identifies with the fucking Joker.

Carson Hughes
Carson Hughes

Of all the guy they choose…they choose Dick "I'm the most likeable guy in the DCU by everyone and anyone" Grayson? Why not Damian? Or Jason?

Nolan Gomez
Nolan Gomez

I'd read a batman villain story, just not this one

Kayden Collins
Kayden Collins

Oh, what a classic.

Dominic Rivera
Dominic Rivera

Hell I'm surprised they didn't use Batman. Granted it's cliche but he has enough reason to distrust metas and all the plans he has.

I miss fun comics like that. We really need more well written Elseworlds stories.

Carson Sullivan
Carson Sullivan

Just an awful idea.

Jason Jackson
Jason Jackson

Is this gonna be basically crossed. A SJW power fantasy.

It's odd because this is kind of in the spirit of the joker (attacking redskull for stupid shit like feinting patriotism). But that's so stupid it just might work. This, I don't know.

Jackson Baker
Jackson Baker

White night
Social Justice Warrior
Black Lives Matter
Wage gap

So does DC realize these terms are used as jokes and insults, not as trendy buzzwords all the kids like? It's like when they had that Raven solo book that declared "It's RAVEN! In her own EMO series!"

Aiden Gray
Aiden Gray

It's pretty hard to numerate the size of each group, but between the imageboard demographic that s intent on scouring SJW kool-aid from the world and the SJW demographic that thinks drowning the world in kool-aid will save it, the SJWs have better visibility thanks to their infiltration of the tech, social media, and journalism industries.

In short, they live in a fantasy world where everyone thinks the same insane shit as them, and spew their buzzword shit unironically. Most people either ignore it or don't get it at all, but some despereate middle aged hacks, who badly want to be relevant and "#woke" like all the cool professional victims, latch onto this shit and think that this is what the world truly wants: buzzword salad with a heaping helping of self-righteous social commentary bullshit.

Jace Gomez
Jace Gomez

Right, but that was all a good excuse in 2015. But between the hundreds of cancellations of "SJW" comics, the collapse of MSM and the election of Trump, it should be glaringly obvious that the tide has long since turned.

Even shows like fucking Saturday Night Live and The Simpsons make fun of SJWs. Unless you are utterly tone-deaf, you can't deny what's happened.

Aaron Cruz
Aaron Cruz

There's no difference between this and previous decades of superhero comics written by middle-aged hacks trying to cash in after the fact on kung fu, or disco, or skateboards, or hot rods, or mods, or blaxploitation, and all missing the point horribly.

Blake Reyes
Blake Reyes

I want to believe

SJW books aren't getting cancelled by the hundreds their weren't hundreds of them to begin with, the main stream media hasn't collapsed, and Trump has an approval rating of 36%.

The world isn't becoming "red pilled".They're becoming moderate.

Leo Diaz
Leo Diaz

Trump has an approval rating of 36%

It used to be 27%. Things are getting better, it's just taking it's time.

Bentley Miller
Bentley Miller

It used to be 27%.

No it was not. His Gallup approval rating has never been 27%. The lowest was 35%, and that was back in April. His approval rating is down from July 10th, when it was 40%.

Fucking research shit you braindead /pol/tard.

Kayden Lewis
Kayden Lewis

This is how you do a hero joker

Jason Allen
Jason Allen

Oh brave and the bold, how badly we miss you

Julian Moore
Julian Moore

36%
The guy has done some stupid shit but nowhere close to 8 years of Obama. The media completely buried Obama's mistakes and decisions which might have made him unpopular among liberals such as his deportations which Trump merely continued even today, and for Trump they instead spin everything he does, including supporting fags, as somehow indicative that he is an IRL extreme right supervillain. They didn't even go this far with Bush Jr but I guess that's because he was controlled opposition.

Charles Hall
Charles Hall

On the topic of Bush Jr I still remember very clearly that his meme war in Iraq etc was shilled very vigorously to the public by the Democrats in Congress, and the media, before he decided to order it.

Matthew Wright
Matthew Wright

When Trump bombed Syria, most of the democrats, republicans and media congratulated him, saying how he acted (((presidential))).

Zachary King
Zachary King

They're becoming moderate.
I'll take moderate. It's a hell of a lot better than the shit we've been putting up with.

Kayden Campbell
Kayden Campbell

God he was awesome. I liked how they held off on the joker and used lesser known villains till this episode.

Gavin Gonzalez
Gavin Gonzalez

muh Obama

You know what you remind me of? The whole Marveldrones/DCasuals fight back in the day. DC was complete shit, and any time it was talked about, fucking DC fanboys would come out of the woodwork accusing everyone of being Marvel fanboys.

Only this time it's /pol/fags. A guy points out that Trump's approval rating is 36%, and immediately some faggot has to go "WELL NUH UH OBAMA WAS WORSE", as if that fact alone changes Trumps approval rating.

Sage for not being Holla Forums related at all.

David Campbell
David Campbell

I take it you haven't seen this monstrosity.

Dominic Ward
Dominic Ward

Penguin for Mayor

Classic.

Doesn't look anything like The Penguin

Complete shit.

Ethan Gray
Ethan Gray

I find it funny how the whole election campaign was a thinly veiled Trump parallel and how Penguin won 'by a landslide', becoming the one liberal show(/pov) to predict Trump winning, even though the actual people who work on the show hate him and thought that Hilary would/should win.

Eli Gomez
Eli Gomez

They didn't even go this far with Bush Jr but I guess that's because he was controlled opposition.
implying Trumpenstein isn't controlled opposition

You'll come around one day.

I don't think Gotham even did anything with Penguin being mayor. He mopes over Riddler, goes psycho ex-girlfriend on the girl who looks like Riddler's ex-girlfriend, gets shot by the Riddler then…goes back to being a criminal?

I wouldn't be surprised if the writers just completely forgot about it.

Carson Gutierrez
Carson Gutierrez

Trump isn't so bad for a puppet

Nolan Thompson
Nolan Thompson

lol comics are so fucking fucked by nigger lovers and liberals

Colton Gutierrez
Colton Gutierrez

Not even Kamen Rider Batman?

Logan Long
Logan Long

>Being butthurt that someone attacked Saint Obongo that you feel the need to post in defense of Mr. Hope and Change.
on a board for comics and cartoons

Jayden Allen
Jayden Allen

Just report and ignore, its just /tv/ throwing a hissy fit.

Jace Smith
Jace Smith

knowing how liberal comics are now, I'm sure this board is riddled with /leftyfaggots/

Jace Foster
Jace Foster

He's going all out

Alexander Martinez
Alexander Martinez

Norman Osborn bought the Daily Bugle and turned it against Peter and Spider-Man.

Colton Clark
Colton Clark

Come on dude.. you should know by now that they don't buy or read comics.

Bentley Johnson
Bentley Johnson

Its a shitposter, he's only here to stir shit.

Tyler Baker
Tyler Baker

Penguin as Mayor? The Batman Adventures called…they want their plot back.

Noah Smith
Noah Smith

they made the villain a SJW>>887515
Bill Finger, being a writer, realized that having a multiple murderer running around made Batman look impotent against crime,

good point

Josiah Martinez
Josiah Martinez

36%
See Pic

We finally get an amazing and fun Batman series, and the Chill of the Night has a bunch of normalfags screaming that "we want a darker Batman!".
Beware the Batman is total shit, and they're surprised that DC manages to fuck up once again, but they start calling for another try at dark and edgy rather than realizing that they had a good thing going and they threw it away.
Batman works very well for television because episodes can be self-contained stories without need for timeline fuckery. When you try to do a massive continuous thing like Beware did, you're gonna fail miserably. But that's not even touching on most of Beware's problems.

Juan Martinez
Juan Martinez

gallup.com/poll/201617/gallup-daily-trump-job-approval.aspx

I'd archive it, but the graph wouldn't show.

Sage for being off topic.

Hudson Perry
Hudson Perry

Gallup
Not even trying

Why is "X becomes Mayor" so common? Jameson did it, Penguin did it in several continuities. At the very least when Luthor did it he went big and became President. Does putting villains in political positions make them more threatening or is it just a lazy excuse for why the heroes don't actually deal with them?

Evan Phillips
Evan Phillips

Now that's the response I expect from /pol/.

Is Reuters an evil tool of the jews too? Their polls also show that Trump isn't doing to well.

archive.fo/LCZh5

Benjamin Brooks
Benjamin Brooks

Is Reuters an evil tool of the jews too?
Sure is

Michael Green
Michael Green

Christ, he has to have one of the most punchable faces on TV

Dylan Russell
Dylan Russell

To be fair, if news channels can report complete fabrications, news agencies and consulting companies probably can too.

Ethan Baker
Ethan Baker

All news is fake news

Hudson Edwards
Hudson Edwards

Have any of those writers worked in their entire life? Hell I worked in a shitty factory and everyone got a wage depending on their job.
*slow clap* Son let us unveil your prize for stating the obvious. Here are some bios of the following comic artists for good or for ill.
Jack Kirby:
Ran with a street gang in turn of the century New York
No formal education, self taught
Started professionally working in the thirties, and then just worked at the Fliescher Studios
Fights in WWII hitting Omaha Beach

Steve Ditko:
First career as a Master Carpenter at a mill
Military Service in early post war Germany
Trains hard apprenticing under Jerry Robinson

Will Eisner:
Spent a good chunk of his youth in high school hawking newspapers to make ends meet.
Also had various stints in retailing
Sets up his own damn shop as an Entrepreneur during the depression

Now how does this Sean Murphy fellow match up? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sean_Murphy_(artist) : Sean Gordon Murphy was born in Nashua, New Hampshire in 1980. He showed an interest in comics during grade school. In Salem he apprenticed to local painter and cartoonist, Leslie Swank. He graduated from Pinkerton Academy high school in 1999, and attended Massachusetts College of Art in Boston, and then Savannah College of Art and Design. Oh wow. (((NH))) dude with two art degrees of certification, but not an honest day's worth of work nor pay. Well there's your answer for a latter day shithead like that.

Daniel Rivera
Daniel Rivera

Ran with a street gang in turn of the century New York

I remember some guys asked Kirby to do a short comic about whatever he wanted. What he made was "Street Code", a short autobiography of his childhood being poor in New York.

I think I have a copy of it somewhere that I should scan.

Colton Barnes
Colton Barnes

There seems to be a preview of White Knight here:
empire-dcp-minutemen-scanss.blogspot.com/2017/07/previews-347-marvel-previews-vol-4-001.html

Evan Rodriguez
Evan Rodriguez

Murphy lives in Brooklyn, New York with his wife Colleen.[1] Murphy was raised a Catholic, but is now an atheist.[7]
The series was inspired by Murphy's reaction to ascendance of Sarah Palin into the national spotlight. Murphy says, "Sarah Palin scared the shit out of me in 2007 – I was floored that someone that ignorant could come so close to being President. And a lot of her comments were about religion, politics, and the media. It made me want to take action, but I was just a comic book artist and I wasn't sure what I could do. So I started addressing my concerns about these three topics in Punk Rock Jesus. And I felt I really had something, but then Obama was elected and suddenly the need for Punk Rock Jesus was gone

It's going to be shit. He's going to hamfist his politics into it.

Colbert is such a hack. He peaked under Stewart and he already pidgeon-holed himself with the Trump focus. If I didn't already know that he knows he's irrelevant, I would think his Trump fetish was a sign that he wants Trump's cock.

I wonder if Joker would ever wear a MAGA hat? He's crazy and violent, but he's still American.

Batman Brave and the Bold
2008-2011
It came out during such a weird time. You also have to remember that The Dark Knight came out in 2008 and that completely dominated Batman. The Dark Knight Rises came out in 2012. Batman Begins was in 2005, but I doubt that had the same effect as The Dark Knight. TDK was massive at the time and it was dominating everything in pop culture. Heath Ledger's death and portrayal as the Joker only made it stronger.

Cameron Powell
Cameron Powell

Colbert lost his touch and his Trump obsession is going so far that he's making an animated show about him. You can only be butthurt for so long before it becomes demented in the eyes of normal people.

A social justice style book that deals with manipulation of peoples interest and trends through media could have been interesting but they want to treat it as serious as possible where I would have taken it into a more dark comedy direction. You've got plenty of real life examples to work with.

I've thought of my own stupid ideas before like a mysterious therapist who psychologically fixes the villains of Batman to the point where Batman has no villains anymore, and he snaps into a psycho vigilante, but I stopped that idea a long time ago because I know when an idea has gone off the rails on what was intended or needs a lot of revisions to work.

Oliver Evans
Oliver Evans

but then Obama was elected and suddenly the need for Punk Rock Jesus was gone

Ironic since Obama continued the wars but apparently this Murphy fellow has no problem with that. I also find it funny that he pulls back Punk Rock Jesus when Obama gets elected even though actual punks would hate Democrats as much as Republicans.

Julian Johnson
Julian Johnson

It often feels like a large portion of Holla Forums just up and forgot the whole elections and just how much everybody from all the media to all the polls to all the popular talking heads said Trump was s*** and that he was going to lose in a landslide. But now it seems that a large portion of this site believes the has was controlled opposition all along and (((they))) just spend billions upon billions in all capacity to make him look bad and lose so that he would actually win. And if its not that there are also guys like who completely forgot about how every poll, every graph and estimation put Trump far behind Hillary but the election is over so they must be showing real info now right?

Lincoln Richardson
Lincoln Richardson

hey here's a Elseworlds miniseries about a Batman villain
but check it out, it's a REFORMED Batman villain
it's a villain that has reformed and gone into politics
and his goal is to restore law and order to Gotham City
and dealing with social issues
and confronting Batman about illegal and harmful actions!
and this miniseries is going to be called "White Knight!"
what villain is it ? why, of course it's going to be…
THE JOKER

Does anyone else think this could have been a great Two-Face Elseworlds ? It seems practically written for him.
But no, instead it's Joker for the gorillionth time and it's going to be about political soapboxing.

Logan Brooks
Logan Brooks

A normalfag told me they made the Penguin gay for the Riddler and that he was sick seeing gays everywhere in TV.

Brandon Nguyen
Brandon Nguyen

And Batman Returns called.
And the 66 show called.

Does putting villains in political positions make them more threatening or is it just a lazy excuse for why the heroes don't actually deal with them?
Penguin is kind of an exception because half the time his shtick is pretending to go straight so Batman can't just beat him up and stop whatever crime he's planning. And he's obsessed with power and control over people, so him going into politics is a natural progression for what Oswald usually does.

Not that I'm defending a half-assed Trump joke or the direction Gotham took with the character (who actually started pretty promising), but there's a precedent for this.
Ever since his inception Penguin has often been used as a caricature of powerful people, whether it's the stuffy and privileged elites of the 1940s, or Richard Nixon during Penguin Triumphant (which outright says the line "Donald Trump must be shaking in his boots, albeit this was published in 1992), or all the satirical jokes in his interactions with Max Shreck and the mayor subplot in Batman Returns.
It was really only a matter of time before someone used him as a vehicle to poke fun at Donald Trump. I'm just surprised it took them so long.

Yeah and that was pretty awful too.
The worst thing about it is that Penguin and Riddler have a pretty interesting history together as friends and they are just characters that go well with each other. Like the classic Joker-Penguin team-ups except much more friendly and without one of the parties being a glory-hogging edgelord.
Gotham taking this great friendship and pissing all over it by making Oswald gay for Eddie and then using it as fuel for relationship drama was just terrible.

Jose Gutierrez
Jose Gutierrez

I could see that being interesting. Though didn't Dent used to work with Batman before he became Two Face?

Sebastian Rogers
Sebastian Rogers

Good thing I don't watch that crap, then.

Carson Roberts
Carson Roberts

Nobody forgot anything, in fact I still remember the ridiculous amount of Trump shilling going on during the elections here. It is still, in fact, going on and I'm willing to bet more than half of /pol/ at this point is comprised of JIDF and intelligence spooks rather than normal posters.

You act like everyone here is too stupid to remember that they do the same song and dance with every "undesirable underdog" candidate in order to boost their popularity.

David Edwards
David Edwards

Joker being cured
The joker isn't even insane, he doesn't hallucinate, he' just a psychopath. If he was "cured" he'd commit suicide, if this joker was the edgy serial killer joker that is.

Aaron Martin
Aaron Martin

Nostalgia… I actually still have this gold batman figure buried in a jar somewhere.

I remember his accessory but not sure if I still have it. Wish I had kept packages for all this stuff.

Parents are idiots and pressure kids to throw away packaging which causes toys to depreciate faster. Plus you lose useful stuff like name/series.

Matthew Wright
Matthew Wright

Your enter button is broken user.

Tyler Allen
Tyler Allen

The joker isn't even insane

Connor Powell
Connor Powell

The joker is a psychopath, yes, but psychopathy is not a mental disorder, but rather a construct of personality type, caused by the nature or genetic makeup of a person. 

Jonathan Kelly
Jonathan Kelly

No court in America would let the Joker have an Insanity Plea in a non-contrived DCverse. DC Writers not knowing what being legally insane actually is doesn't change that.

Asher Reyes
Asher Reyes

What joker incarnation are you referring to? some have clearly developed mental disorders that would prevent a court from declaring the death penalty.

Alexander Scott
Alexander Scott

Juries are no obligation to accept any criminals Insanity Pleas. And the Joker has repeatedly shown he awareness of his actions and ability to function in society.

Elijah Moore
Elijah Moore

but psychopathy is not a mental disorder
Bullshit, Johnson! I want a full report on the shit you just spewed out without any consideration for those around you on my desk YESTERDAY!

Dylan Gutierrez
Dylan Gutierrez

I remember reading a story where he (thought he) had killed Batman, and without Batman in sight, he just gradually lost all purpose, became sane, and began to have a relatively normal life again.
Of course as soon as Batman recovered and showed up, he went right back to being The Joker again, but eh, ya know.

As for Joker being insane… Yeah, no, the guy knows exactly what he's doing. Maybe he can feign insanity, but like mentioned, no Jury would ever accept that. They'd have no mercy on him and I guarantee you he'd get the death penalty.

Gavin Cox
Gavin Cox

Nothing is worse than people trying to prove they know comics by saying, "Actually Batman is totally ok with murder," and then always bring up the same exact issue from the original run before they even established the name "Bruce Wayne"

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