*blocks your Spectre*

tell me more

yeah, whatever.

It's the only safe way to do ethernet, since the mobo or PCI card versions can do DMA. Ditto with SATA disks, or any other device with potentially subversive firmware. But if they're using USB 3 for those, then you have the same problems. It has to be USB 2.

I see your point about SATA drives and firmware, but if you are buying the ethernet controllers, why wouldn't you want DMA? You program them anyways.

I wrote free, not Free dummy. Mathematica comes free on Raspbian.

This, the fewer devices with DMA the better.

The OS kernel has drivers for ethernet device, but it doesn't account for the proprietary firmware that's running on those devices. The OS drivers run on the CPU, whereas the firmware runs on device's microcontroller.

I thought you were talking about building your own hardware. That is where I confused myself.

this thot needs to be paroled ASAP.

She's a QT for sure.

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I was going to make a joke about Raspberry Pi, Pentium 1 and row hammer, but forgot Raspberry Pi still uses decade old DDR2 RAM. What a piece of shit.

It's a beginner development board, I hardly think it requires anything more. By the way, shouldn't you be more concerned that you don't have the skills to write a DDR2 memory controller? Instead of shitting on people below you, improve yourself.

Yes. Buy 10 Raspberry Pis goy.

You think whatever you're told. That's the problem, goy.

It costs $35, is powerful enough for almost all typical normie uses, and is hundreds of times more powerful than the million dollar computer which ran my whole University back in the early 1990s. Stay mad, Intel shill.

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It's really not tbh. Modern web pages are bloated as fuck nowadays, and believe it o not, most normalfags still care about muh games! They want a machine that can play the latest AAA shit like Fortnite BR

It is quite powerful enough for web browsing, office apps, email, and it even comes with FREE Minecraft.

Most people never play AAA games and are happy with Legend of Soltar. Anyway why don’t you Intel shills give it a rest for a while? People are beginning to resent your shilling, especially since the CTS labs fake news flop. You’re hurting the brand.

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Grand Theft Auto V is the best selling traditional game of all time. It is over 60GBs to install and still costs 60 bucks because of Cockstar being a bunch of Jews

I'm just handing out reality you retard. And it doesn't agree with your shit-tier thread

How do you type with Eben's dick in your mouth?

It's funny to see you shills come out of the woodwork every time anybody mentions the Pi on the Internet, you even use the same canned talking points every single time. You're only hurting yourself, the tactics are just too dang obvious.

You realize most normalfags play games on consoles, right?

He's just regurgitating what he's been paid to vomit all across the Internet. The Intel shill cries out about games as he attacks the Pi.

Thanks for confirming that you're a brainlet.

Bump, looks like until RISCV arrives the Pi is the best secure shitposting machine.

I find it funny that you can get a 1Ghz cpu and 512 mb ram, hdmi capable minicomputer for about 10 bucks.

The Pi's more powerful than the most powerful supercomputers were in the 1980s.

And it still has worse single core performance than an AthlonXP from 2001.

Muh gaymes run fine though.

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It's ironic that people will go to lengths to be "secure" while also demanding proprietary games and OS.

Have you personally audited every piece of FOSS you use?

I could if I wanted to unlike victims of proprietary software. Even if an individual user does not go through it, he still benefits from Free Software because there is less incentive for the developer to include malicious functionality than if it were proprietary because it would be much easier to discover and in such a case fork it and stop being dependant on the evil developer.

Something about her insta makes me REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE.

This is a strawman and it's been used so often on this board and across the net that you just unequivocally outed yourself as an ass blasted shill.

Stay mad.

I disagree. FOSS tends to put users at ease with a false perception of security. FOSS users tend to assume that because the source is open that all bugs, malignant or accidental, would have been found by now, so it is safe to use this software. However, if no one except the developers actually work with the software and never say a word about malicious functionality, then there could potentially be end-users using malicious software under the pretense that it is safe because FOSS.

Sure. Because you say so. Just because software is proprietary does not mean that it is compromised or inefficient or undesirable. Contrarily, proprietary software must be safe, efficient, and desirable otherwise the companies would be out of business. Haha! Get it? They couldn't keep making money if they kept putting out inferior software.

No, because it's a trope by this point. This has already been haggled out over a period of literally decades (Halloween memo was almost twenty years ago) and either you're brand new to the Internet, or you're an actual shill repeating a tired saw.

This board really needs IDs.

It'll run Wesnoth just fine.

STILL SLOWER THAN THE ODROID C2
phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=raspberrypi-3-bplus&num=1

Better luck next $35 Pi shills.

It's a ripoff, and they are behind lowRISC too. Look forward to slow, expensive, BSD/proprietary RISCV boards.

Why would I buy some shit from a fly by night company assembled in botnet People's Republic of China when I can get a Sony-made Pi of which tens of millions have been sold?

It's like, BOOYA you can buy a Chinese car rather than a Ford Fiesta!

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Let's keep this thread bumped shall we?

It's not fully OS either IIRC, so likely has other backdoors.

It has been possible to use the thing without blobs for a couple years now. You're right that it does have a binary blob but so far there is no indication it has a backdoor. It remains a possibility of course.

The open source firmware package is being worked on steadily and has commercial backing so in time it's likely it will become a completely open platform.

Do you need a personal memo from Snowden?

It's faster, has more RAM, it's the same price, and it's made in Korea.
For $15 more than the POS Pi. you can get a 2GHz Quad Cortex A15 (WITH speculative execution) SATA3 onboard controller, GbE onboard controller, and 2GB DDR3 RAM

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So it's not Spectre-proof then?

Did you think Intel, AMD, and ARM were no longer using speculative execution you mouth breathing moron?

For about that price you can get an 8-core Cortex-A7 with 2 gigs RAM and without the problems of A15 core. The other stuff like ethernet and SATA is pretty easy to find on SBCs as well, but you're better off to run those on USB 2 instead, so they can't do DMA (since those two are some favorite devices for cianiggers to hide their nasty firmware).

Did you read the fucking OP's link, you ass breathing moron?
Raspberry Pi uses ARM cores that don't do speculative execution.

So this board's NOT immune to Spectre? What's the point then?

The shills are losing it.

I'm gone from the internet for a few months and this is what greets me. Sad.

BSD plus proprietary?

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kek

What are you, some freedom-hating windows user? Be careful before we sent you to the GNULAG, sucker of proprietary cock.

Which is why it's a slow piece of shit. Did you morons really think Intel, AMD, ARM, IBM, and MIPS would stop using speculative execution because of Spectre instead of fixing issues where applicable?

Did you really think spaming irrelevant loaded questions makes you look less of a moron?

Facts are now moronic on Holla Forums. WEW this place has become shittier than /g/

alas the desperation of ye without ideas

Posting this from my Pi, everything works just fine.

I need evidence, at least with the Pi we don't know for aboslute certain that there's a backdoor like on Intel machines.

It's something to consider but it's not nearly as bad as the alternative.

Nigger this place has been retarded with shit threads like this for a couple years now, where have you been?

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The issue isn't speculativeness itself, but rather that it wasn't done in a proper manner, thus leaving an exploitation window. However, some ARM chips have been able to correct this in firmware.
marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=151527756600887&w=2

You can use other brands. There's dozens of them.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_single-board_computers

Are there any with ps/2 and vga support?

According to that list in
there are several with VGA port. No idea about PS/2. You'd have to check the individual data sheets.

Yes, BSD is fully functional system, proprietary is merely an essential component of it.

Get a blue cube and a dongle.

Link to board pls. I want it!

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The only people demanding games are the same shills who bring up USB2 Ethernet, ie Intel shills. It's hurting their brand.

The only people shilling anything here is SJW Holla Forums LGBTQ faggots like yourself. Why don't you take a day off and be a kike someplace else?

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No, I'm going to stay here and battle with you, you idiot shill.

You still have no rebuttal to OP's post, you just come in here all jacked up on Soylent and shitpost with your approved list of catchy comebacks.

What's the point? You aren't stopping Pis from selling, and Intel should be devoting more resources to fixing Spectre and less to shills.

Unless Intel doesn't want to fix Spectre, that is. It's more than possible that they love it and benefit from it.

Are you fucking braindead?
There's literally dozens of compatible ARM boards that are better in every way, some of which even are explicitly in support of your ideologies as well. If you can't handle that fact, you can always flee back to /soypol/.

None have the support of the Pi, most are running some jiggered-up kernel that's ancient and a lot have been abandoned by their one-off Shenzhen shell companies.

I love how angry the Pi makes you, it's like you can't sleep at night knowing that there are tens of millions of these things replacing Intel machines and your shitty botnet alternatives you proffer.

Just relax, go shit up another thread. There's still shilling to be done in the fake news CTS Labs thread.

There's no reason to buy raspberg unless you want to give them money. You want cheap? They aren't it. You want good? They aren't either.

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So why are you shilling the worst of the bunch? Why say it's a desktop replacement? Why say SATA and Ethernet over USB2 is better than an onboard controller? You are so transparent at this point, I'm not even sure why you're here. What is your end game if not to sell more of these shitty boards?

On the contrary, unless you're a street shitter $35 is cheap and unlike the alternatives there is a huge user community that's normie friendly to help the user get started with this board. I realize that the Pi is a threat to you, and think it's pretty good humor.

You're missing the point of the thread. Also this has been covered, you dipshit shill:

Are you a bot? It's almost as if you lack the cognitive ability to accrue new information and integrate it into your shill game.

You really are an idiot aren't you? If you're seriously going to continue this "if you hate rpi specifically you're intel shill" tactic that's failing you so miserably, at least try a more gullible demographic like reddit or cuckchan.
Anyway, even if the noncucked ARM boards have less community support than the Pi- they'll at the very least have a distro image ready with the necessary dev tools. Unless you're a cuck for propietary software, finding a port for ypur board of choice shouldn't be a problem. Be the change you seek instead of complaining about the lack of dev support.

Speculative execution isn't a bad thing. This is also quite humorous. It's like you're flaunting DDR2 over DDR4 because of row hammer. Nobody in their right mind is going to be excited about decade old tech. Meanwhile all of these issues have been fixed or worked around. It makes you Raspberry Pi shills look retarded.

I wouldn't call you a shill if you weren't a shill, shill.

Most of the Pi alternatives don't even have a recent kernel and are still vulnerable to KRACK you shill.

You're really convincing me by defending the honor of a singular product and dismissing all alternatives, some of which are more or less compatible and perform better for the same price. There's really nothing special about the Pi other than being the first SBC to be thrust into the public eye. I say this having used one of the things.
If you haven't noticed, saying shill constantly doesn't make you not a shill.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_multinational_companies_with_research_and_development_centres_in_Israel
OH NONONONONO!

Wait, it gets worse
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sophie_Wilson
OH NO NO NO NO NO HAHAHAHAHA!

Enjoy your Jewish tranny processors

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Can someone fill me in on those chink Banana Pis?
It says they're open sauce and I don't trust Broadcom closed source fags.

Name the alternative in the context of the thread, which is immunity to Spectre. So far you haven't.

That's all irrelevant. Until somebody can prove that there's an actual backdoor in the Pi you're just shitposting.

raspberrypi.org/help/faqs/#generalSoCUsed
closed source main part
They also produce the (((wifi))) hardware.

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Your hilariously attempt at starting a flamewar is irreverent shitposting you dumb nigger

Is ARM Jewish? Yeah, but its massively better than kiketel because
Even if it was backdoored to hell, the design of ARM actually WORKS compared to kiketel that breaks down that has fucking ACIPC bugs to this day.
He wasn't a woman when he created the archutecture.
Also the internet was create by a tranny, you might as well get off it.

That explains a lot.
My question still stands

They don't have backdoors, but docs are horrible and its chinkshit. You should rather give your money to whites for RPI than gross chinks.

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Points on .
See?

You are literally grasping at straws so hard I don't, even know what you're referring too

user you responded to doesn't even understand English.
That is not English.

white isn't a race and americans not necessarily white

It's bait.

At least I pointed it out. Some of you user's are failing on the job. Get your fingers out of your arse and do some work.

Almost every ARM single board out there besides Raspberry Pi can boot without binary blobs. Allwinner is a chink company who doesn't really care about GPL, and most of their SoCs use ARM's Mali which wont be taken advantage of because ARM hates open source. Also, I'm not sure any of these boards with SATA can be used as a boot device. Other than that, it's fairly open.

The Pi can boot without blobs too, which ones include everything GPL even the GPU?

None, that's the answer. There is no completely open ARM board and there's nothing even more open than the Pi. At least nothing with support or even code available.

Please cite some specific fully Open and Free boards at a comparable price point to the Pi, ideally ones without speculative execution.

You can't and you won't.

>github.com/christinaa/rpi-open-firmware

Oh too bad so sad. Looks like you're full of shit again.

this is an underrated post because both Intel and Raspberry PI are (((feminist frequency)))

It also boots OpenBSD and like with Linux, it works perfectly well with USB ethernet and wifi adapters and so on.

Back to my question, which of the Pi alternatives do better with Free and Open firmware?

Not without proprietary blobs it doesn't. Beagleboard and Allwinner based boards are fully usable without blobs minus GPU.

So's the Pi...

proprietary blobs required for initialization afaik

That hasn't been true since 2014.

is this the case for new hardware only, or was the original hardware OSS'd? because if so I might have to dig up my old RPi1...

crna.cc/b/11

RPi 1 is not supported, the newer ones are though.

You're sore, admit it.

Welp, time to upgrade!

Translating that into Holla Forums reads as:
$35 is cheaper than $20 and unlike the alternatives there is a huge L-user (((community))) that's LGBTQ+ faggot friendly to help the L-user
>>>/g/

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I bought a pi once.

It never fucking worked.

How is that possible?

Not sure where you got that from, I have a botnet allergy.

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You don't know english, as well.

So what sbc should I buy Holla Forums?
Requirements are long hours of usage for internet and watching videos.

Get a regular pc, maybe an htpc with an apu

Since this is an SBC thread, what the hell is going on with CHIP? I just wanted a cheap, comfy little hand-held computer, but these fucks have had their store closed for months, and they haven't updated their blog since last November. Are they kill?

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""""""""""supply chain issues """"""""""

I have a chip and love it. I heard their Chinese connection fucked them sideways and now they are broke as a fucking joke.

Chip is awesome. Too bad they fumble fucked it up.

I was interested in them too, but they were out of stock last summer. Shame. Hope they recover.

Fucking chinese.

unfortunate

It was a scam from the get-go I believe. Still I managed to sign up early and get one of the 8GB Hynix units, and the VGA and HDMI shields.

They partnered with the Chinese and also (IMHO) laundered / stole a bunch of money themselves.

This is why i come here.

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Must have been defective. I assumed it was my fault so I tried to make it work much much later, and eventually I realized it was a piece of junk to begin with.

Next SBC I got was the Tinker Board and it works beautifully.

Does it have any protection on the pins?

Because rpi doesn't, and I fried my one as soon as I started to poke around with GPIOs.

I guess you're supposed to only use it with official(tm) "shields" or "hats" or what are they called, but this kind of defeats the whole purpose of rpi as a learning tool.

I have an ethernet breakout board manually wired to spi0 and have no problems with it (I even wired it up with the power on.)

those gpio pins are cmos (3.3v) but will accept ttl (5v) just fine.

You've been talking to the wrong people dumbshit. /g/ needs ids

Again, LINUX WORKS GREAT WITHOUT BLOBS GUYS HAHAH
You really need to brush your teeth after gobbling down all of that semen. Your breath stinks.

Yeah no. A massive amount of normies play on PC.

Raspberry Pi 3b+.

Most people who use a computer never play a modern 3D accelerated game, it's not actually super popular. Maybe 10% of the computer owning public will ever buy and install a game more intense than solitaire or Minesweeper.

Let me teach you how deep in your bubble you are - normies play phone games and Facebook games, and whatever comes with Windows on their new PC, and that's about it. That's where the user base for games is these days. Of the people who do play 3D accelerated games, most don't give a fuck and run with default settings for their computer and never change a single graphical option. The number of hard core PC gamers is vanishingly low, maybe 1% of the base playing any popular games. I'm talking about the kind of people who upgrade their GPU more frequently than every couple of years, who worry about frame rates and responsiveness and "screen lag" and other shit for autists. They're just not a sizeable demographic. Maybe a couple hundred thousand world wide.

Not a whole lot because of video drivers. RPi unfortunately has the best support, but Odroid is probably the 2nd best for video if you want to avoid SJW bullshit. (I have the C2, but I run it headless so I can't comment on its video performance. So far its CPU hasn't seemed to bottleneck from running a Minecrap server so it's probably fine for web browsing.)

Why do businesses use China so much anyway? Do they just look at the cheap price and think its a bargain without considering how terrible the Chinese are to deal with? (I was going to post screencaps of anons who suffered dealing with China for business but I can't find them.)

Labor in China is cheap. That's how the Chinese economy works. The Chinese government adjusts the Yuan to keep the GDP per PPP the highest in the world even though their Nominal GDP is well behind Europe and America and their GDP per capita is among the lowest on the planet. China is pretty much fucked if they can't keep the cost of their labor low enough for the rest of the world to justify outsourcing because the value of the Yuan only works because China doesn't export it on the same scale as USD. That's why they're damage controlling the steel tariffs so hard

I think you misunderstood what I said. I'm aware of why China is cheap, but I was wondering why businesses put up with China despite the "bargain". The Chinese are notoriously dishonest and corrupt. (I had screencaps of anons talking about how businesses they worked for were sold false or mislabeled products, one Chinese company breaking environmental protection laws here in the US by smashing CRTs and dumping them out back, and so on.)
Many people shit on America for shady practices with the large food and drink corporations, but it's nothing compared to the food the Chinese will sell to each other.
hooktube.com/watch?v=zrv78nG9R04

why do people hate money

I love CRTs but most of 'em are shit. For every FW-900 manufactured there were a hundred "Dell" CRTs and most office drones, unless in a managerial position, would have been provided with the cheapest display you could buy.

People want those rare good Trinitron or Diamondvision or other aperture-grille displays these days, the cheap shit hasn't accrued any value.