America #4

I want to talk shit about this, but I don't have the bravery nor the will to read this disgusting shit.

Why anything but Gwenpool and Spiderdaddy is shit?

When are people going to understand that LOVING SOMEBODY REELY REELY HARD will not make gay people have biological children they can fuck?

I can't keep track of these bogus names. Zu, Amigx, Zumani, Jumanji, Xundgz, Fanteesha, Lequadrin, Vagisyl…

So…did her parents ditch her without warning one day?

These last two chapters were just mediocre. The first issue of America alone was more offensive than the entire Hellcat run and worse than anything I've read combined.
Its difficult to say which series is worse: America has slightly better art and has more stuff going than Hellcat which was about nothing but the boring life ot Kate Leth, at least America TRIES to be a superhero comic. On the other hand, its also a disjointed mess. Her powers are so poorly defined and its impossible to tell what her weaknesses are. And we don't need to say that is just as self-righteous and prone to lecturing than the previous comic.

She has to go back.

Pick one.

What is up with these comics waxing poetic and trying to be oh so fucking deep? It just comes of as semi comprehensible word salad.

When did this "Zu" bitch get this piece of tech and……what does this thing even do?

Why does America ask no questions about the events that are transpiring? This old lady just uses the same powers America has and America doesn't even bother to ask the who, what, when, where, why and how and instead ops to be a stand offish cunt as usual.

so damn hard to follow the action. the hell is this

What America needs is to be Dr. Manhattan'd like Zoom recently was.

You know, where she gets obliterated and in a few seconds another version of her that was actually the one that just died arrives to try and save hersrelf, only to also get obliterated.

Maybe kill all of Planet Space Lesbians after that too.

This isn't a parody to make fun of SJW newspeak, they really do think that's a word. It's crazy that there are somehow comics worse than shit like Champions or Hellcat.

America is worse. Far, far worse.

While Hellcat was vapid, lazy, stupid, and boring, it was at least something.

America is nothing. I can't use adjectives to describe it because there's nothing I can describe. It has no characters, no plot, no story. I can call Hellcat a dumb cunt. I can't call America anything because she's virtually a non-entity.

In order from most to least infuriating

2>1>4>3

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Stop the ride, I want to get off!

Mr. Bones says you can get off at the next stop.

there is no stop

That is not how time travel works!

This is so, so bad. It's so dull.

I have questions, like a lot of them.
First, why did America have to go to the past if there was a way to capture that thing in the present? Could'nt she just capture it in the present?
And if she did actually changed something in the past wouldn't that affect the present or something?
if the girls had a weapon to fight the creature, why didn't they use it first instead of getting their asses kicked? Where did she get the weapon? How did she know it was going to work?
The onlywhitepersoninthecomic said she send messages to America. But it is stated that the college is in a different dimension like in "between dimensions", how do you send messages to a different dimension? Couldn't America just say "I live in other dimension now, your phone service doesn't have coverture there"?
If the girls could hack anything why didn't they hack a message to America? Why did they need to fake a kidnapping?
Wasn't one of the girls about to die or something?
If that old witch so powerful why didn't she help the girls before all this mess happened?

Clearly you dont understand what the writer is trying to comunicate here, all that drama is to teach america a lesson and make her grow as a character. I dont know why though, she is literary perfect.

Jesus fucking christ that art in the lower right corner that is why you have to learn to fucking draw and not just trace stock photograph holy fucking hell.

America is completely incomprehensible. The story makes absolutely zero sense and it's even hard to figure out what's happening from page to page. The writing, the art, all of it incoherent and amateurish. Lethcat was shit because it was Kate using the book to live her own boring life in the MU. The plots might have been bad and conflict non-existant but at least you could (mostly) follow what was happening. America, though, makes no sense at all. It's a series of words and pictures haphazardly arranged to present something that tries to look like a story but instead reads like R'lyehian in comic book form as your mind cannot comprehend it and to attempt to invites only madness.

Stacked Deck. Innit?

There is a continuity error in within the first page and a half; this error is so bad it means the first appearance of the protagonist's "parents" has them being depicted incorrectly.

Christ, this is the new Hellcat, isn't it?

With the blue-suited one, it looks like the lines for the collar are present in both images, but the colorists are incompetent and thought that her clavicle-line was a seam.

Also, checking the credits on the intro page, how does such shitty art require FIVE PEOPLE for pencils, inks, and colors?

Most likely due to cutting it close with deadlines. Writer is probably taking her time, and then everyone else needs to crunch.

I don't get this.

Hellcat's issues were plenty but at least it was easy to follow the story and there were attempts to flesh out characters.

Miss America though.

You don't understand. These are not human lesbians, they are beings from another dimension with superpowers. They are aliens who just happen to look and act like lesbians, but they totally aren't human lesbians. That's how Steven Pozzyverse got away with it.

w e w l a d

You don't have your nightmare vision goggles on.

Why would he need them in the first place?

Well, they succeeded…

This is, without a doubt, the gayest fucking thing I've seen in a long time.

How can you not love that shit. It's fucking hilarious.

The fact they were entirely serious when writing/drawing that shit makes is what makes it hilarious.

Bravo, MARVEL. You have eliminated homophobia and outdated gender norms, and Donald Trump is no longer President!

Because his own visage is lacking in clarity. He can't put it all together, like everyone else can.

What the actual fuck is the writer thinking? The name America Chavez is bad enough as it already is. Do socjus people actually believe the name Chavez has any good meaning for most of the latin american population?
Also what's up with the amigx bullshit? Does spanish being a gendered language triggers them so much?

This has to be the worst comic book my eyes ever gazed. And this is coming from someone who was a Marvel reader during Heroes Reborn years.

Hugo Chaves, may he rest in peace, DID NOTHING WRONG

EVERY TIME

They trully use amigx?

This is all your fault America, for faking a war against us just to take Cuba from just and freeing all those monstrosities you call Southamerica.

Vete a la cama, Pablo Iglesias.

How the hell is that even pronounced? Aside from "Loco"

Eegleseeass

Is a leftist spanish politician saying that Hugo Chavez was a good guy.

I think he meant "amigx"

Hm… "amigks"?

I bet the middle class of Venezuela would just love to hear him explain that… in their midst.

I think the proper pronounciation would be "ah-me-gks"

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A politician caring about what people think? nah, it's easier to just lie to them. Throw some black musician so they can dance like monkey's

No, I was just trying to imply that the cretin would be torn limb-from-limb for his audacity.

So, any porn that make America Chaves fuckeble?
bonus points if she is painted white

I hate how this bitch is appropriating mutant culture by putting Xs everywhere.

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Thanks for the commentary OP.

All I can see after reading this comic

I want somebody, anybody, to explain anything about America to me.

What are her powers? Is she from another dimension or another planet? Either way, is wherever she comes from Hispanic or is she just Hispanic because that's where they dropped her off? Does she have earth parents, like Superman? If she comes from a planet of gay browness, who's her dad? Does she have a dad? Does one of her moms have a dick? If America is gay, and her parents are gay, is her entire race wired to be gay or did her parents groom her to be gay? Why did they send her to spic town? Was there a GalacTrump building a cosmic wall around their planet? What the fuck is even going on? What the fuck is this comic about?

Just make something make sense, please.

This is the never acknowledged (by them, at least) liberal racism.

They were so blinded by their need to be woke they didn't realize just how much they fucked up what they think she is. Gillen never even went into her past much, he just changed her to check a bunch of lib boxes and left it at that. Now, they're trying to pretend that because she's brown and got adopted by tacos here that she's latina. This is literally cultural appropriation.

Based on this comic, it's enhanced strength, durability, flying, and punhcing portals to other worlds and potentially times as well.

Both, apparently.

In Issue 2, America says that she is Hispanic because when she run away after her mothers' death, Latino community is the only place that she was welcomed in. Growing up she adopted their language and culture. In this issue her mothers speak Spanish. Author just contradicts herself and can't even keep her 4 issues consistent with one another.

Unknown

She had two biological mothers. Who knows how she was conceived.

Unknown. She might not even be a human.

She bounced between different places , and decided to settle for Puerto Ricans.

Fat and incompetent author smearing her vomit on paper and getting paid pennies for it.

Author's self insert and SJW fantasies.

Her author is the most stereotypical Puerto Rican lesbian you will ever see. She is more of a caricature than America herself. Pic related.

I worked at a mall for a while and one of the things I noticed was tons of fat mexican/hispanic/latina women who purposefully dolled themselves up to look like chubby 10 year old boys. It was weird, but since I almost always saw them in pairs, I can only guess that it's some kind of lesbian thing.

If you didn't mention that I would have thought you were posting a random image of some sort of fat male rapper.

GIVE US CONTEXT DARN IT

Haha…. Posted on wrong thread

Jesus fucking Christ, this stupid dyke boasts about being brown, but she is just as white as I am.

¡Oye, cabron! Donchu know that whiteness is a social construction, esse?

This might be a little relevant.

not like we needed admittance.

the chic lesbian look used to be 'willowy androgyne' but that look isn't compatible with fourthmeal at taco bell

those two things are in no way a contradiction

Fun fact: I am naturally tan. My mother is Chilean. She's actually whiter than me, and in fact I inherited my skin color from my Spanish father.

Genetics be haywire.

Honestly, it was so shamefully obvious it was kind of cute. All in all, the entire Hellcat story (Kate's spergy temper tantrums, Hellcat's obvious self insertion and diversity inserts) was a harmless and quite adorable roller-coaster. If there was one saga I wish we could continue it would be Hellcat. As far as America Chavez and Squirrel Girl, there really isn't anything redeemable.

I can't wait for Hellcat to get uncancelled so Patsy can fuck a married man, 12 years older than her with 3 kids and has colon cancer.
Oh boy! what hi-jinks is she going to use to get out of this one guy's?

I'd be down for Hellcat tongue kissing girl. With the condition that it's actually a girl, and not a fucking "girl".

5th image, what is the point of the frame-like cropping of the first panel? It doesn't serve any storytelling purpose, when the Bronze Age masters, like Howard Chaykin or Walt Simonson divided up a shot like that it was to denote time passing through a single area. Here it's just like the artist is trying to copy Bronze storytelling tricks without really understanding them. That's be a perfectly good top half of that page, you'd read the speaks bubbles in the right order anyway, all the asshole has done is the equivalent of yelling I'VE BEEN TO DESIGN SCHOOL while sticking his dick in your eye.

And why does everything look like Twilight Sparkle's maxipad?

Comics are back at reinventing the wheel. I don't think Alonso and his goons at Marvel really give a shit, and Geoff Johns and his goons at DC have always felt they should innovate styles. As far as shit goes to dialing back on past creators, I don't really see a purpose. I didn't know who Chaykin was until divided states of hysteria, and the last thing I've seen that got me excited over a bronze age creator was Joe Quesadilla's Miracle Man short

And it was mediocre. Honestly, who cares at this point. The medium is on life support, and it's basically DC carrying a dying man up hill that's kicking and clawing his way back down.

It's really bad right now, and grabbing someone like Leifield or Macfarland isn't gonna do jack shit.

Who was honestly the last guy that made a name for themselves? Robert Kirkman? In an alternate timeline the industry has made 10 or 15 Robert Kirkman's since Invincible and Walking Dead made it unto the scene.

It's astounding how fucking comic writers can make shit like PUNCHING HOLES INTO ANOTHER DIMENSION boring as fuck.

It's like a talent unto itself.

The most successful people in the comics industry are working on webcomics. Let that sink in.

Is that page from this Quesada Miracle Man story?

Is this the new "Unsolicited Opinions On Israel"?

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Yeah, Kid Miracleman completes his sociopath coming of age and basically sees himself as a sort of anti-Christ figure. Comes back to kill a priest he spared after he got free. It's quite powerful, but It didn't really give us an insight on why Johnny Bates actually went bad. By this point he's already decided he's bad.

Why is she so salty when literally all she's going to do is fix the situation?
None of these issues ever make any goddamn sense.

I think all fat latinas that cant get married turn into lesbos

Maybe IT is from argentina.

I haven't never heard of Latino calling themselves brown outside of hardcore SJW circles. Based on people I know, most of them consider themselves white or native rather than subscribing to any skin color.
Only people I know that consider themselves brown are South Asians.

Riviera is Puerto Rican.

No. DC is a graverobber trying to plunder from it's own past to save it's future. It mimics the motions, but it has no soul.

Is it really that surprising? Why fucking work for the Big Two when you have more freedom and potential profit going out on your own?

That is just too problematic, fam. We all know Christianity is the religion of evil white males (nevermind its practiced by majority of the brown Latino nations south of Mexico's border)

Man, I don't know how real life SJWs handle trying to appeal to Mexicans when the vast majority are religiously Conservative as hell. Maybe even more so than the ebil right-winged boogeymen.

I disagree completely. I've been enjoying Flash, and Titans a hell of a lot more than anything you could consider just a tedious cash grab. Civil War 2 was a cash grab. In rebirth there's a bigger plan in the grand scheme's, not a whatever Civil War 2 was.

Jesus, calm down there summer boy I know ya mommy issues but wasting the day complaining about them is is kinda counter productive.

You seem to have lost your way from Reddit.

Real riveting material,the greatest back handed reply ever conceived on the net. Holds as much value as the low quality bumps you give the thread.

You can stop outing yourself at any time.

I wouldn't call it snarky when its calling your bluff.

And what am I bluffing exactly?

You're both fucking idiots. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and state that it was maybe reading America that dumbed you down.

Agreed

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They dont, they only want to appeal other SJW.

What a bunch of faggots. Why don't you fuck already?

This is her superpower. They want to destroy all whites.

They both look brown to me.

Pink hands.

….why is she saluting with her left hand?

Because the literal faggots that write this dreck know exactly fuckall about police or military procedure and etiquette.

Anyone got the latest numbers for this series so we can all laugh as Marvel tries to justify this series as it Hemorages money?

And while we're at it, can I get the numbers for series like Hell Cat, Squirrel Girl, Moon Girl, Etc.

Anyone got Archives for Previous America threads or pictures like Hell cat where they summarize and put together the best of the threads?

comichron.com/monthlycomicssales/2017/2017-05.html
America #3 - 16,262
Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur (says #0 but probably mistyped and is #20) - 14,244
Red Sonja #5 - 11, 692
Unbeatable Squirrel Girl #20 - 10,999
Unstoppable Wasp #5 - 9,013
Riverdale #2 - 7,878

Thanks m8.

I wonder if they miss the blue hedgehog already.

I was looking at this the other day. America #2 was at around 23k the month before and 43k for it's #1 issue. Considering how much the media has decided to start talking about America Chavez lately, I can only assumed #4 sold like ass and it's probably in the 10k or lower range, making Marvel panic.

Wait a cotton-picking minute. Number fucking TWENTY? Last time I checked they were rebooting the shitpile series with another #1 and were on the verge of being shitcanned (again). Did they churn out three dozen numbers while I wasn't looking?

I wonder what's happened recently, yeah. Moon Girl's sales have almost doubled; last I'd checked she was surfing around 8,000. Makes me wonder if the SJWs are actually bothering to buy?

So how many issues does a GOOD comic sell anyway? And what is the right drop of units sold as time passes?

The top comics on the list are averaging around 100,000 in sales right now. The best comics of around a decade ago would get almost 200,000 in sales.
Hellcat's 2nd to last issue was 7,232 sales. I think this was about when it got cancelled, maybe slightly after.
Mockingbird's 2nd to last issue was 14,751 sales, which was slightly before it got cancelled.
Starfire's 2nd to last issue was 20,131 sales.

Moon Girl is hard to compare to most other comics because the bulk of the sales is apparently coming from scholastic book faires. It's a form of direct marketing that is lower risk and easier to pull off than selling in bulk to comic shops, essentially. If it were on equal footing with every other comic, being sold the same way they sell everything else, Moon Girl wouldn't even break the top 100.

Who would do that to children? Subject them to moon girl, there should be a law!

The most recent issue was released and its the worst one made so far
Has anyone seen it yet? Is OP going to return to finish it?

OP here, I might have a look at storytiming issue 5 it over the weekend because I recall it going in HARD with the "OMG Lesbians! angle" to the point of having female Hawkeye monologue on how wonderful Sapphic love was to herself. I also might forget to storytime it though. We'll see.

it was poorly written and drawn, what's up with all these people praising hellcat these days? yes it absolutely was as bad as America Chavez, it was worse. does anybody remember how terrible it was?

Hellcat was just a mild self-insert comic that belongs on tumblr. Most people here are used to that. Art oscillates between kind of bad and very bad.
America is also a self insert tumblr comic, but it is much more in your face with all the ideology. You have whole pages dedicated to praising brown characters, bashing white men, and incomprehensible retardation. Say what you want, but Hellcat didn't feature half-page monologues on how amazing lesbians are and had Hitler randomly standing in the middle of a battlefield just so America can punch him. Crap like that drives everyone crazy, and main character being over the top ghetto Puerto Rican stereotype makes it even worse.

Aight my queer woke LatinX sisters and other shitlords. It's time, (one of) you've asked for it:
AMERICA# 5:Lesbian Roadtrip.

Our story starts with America thinking deep thoughts into her mirror. Does she really know who she is? Who her parents were? She certainly doesn't know who Madrimar is, will she find out?

Who cares, IT'S SPRING BREAK BABY! LET'S GO SEE KATE BISHOP! Kate of course, is ever so willing to help America deal with the emergency of her not really having anything to do by pampering the teleporting teen with pizza and pillows.

America tells Kate about her mysterious stalker before getting on to the important stuff: Her sex life. Rather specifically an old flame has been giving America signals that she wans to get back together. Said signals also include the words "No Star Portals. I'm being watched." but that's hardly important. What is important is that America drags her adult friend on an impromptu road-trip just so she can get some nostalgic tail. Not that Kate seems at all bothered. I guess either she's rich or business must be really slow.

How can America have and ex she's know since a kid if she didn't come to this universe till she was around her current age?

Mid-way through a sing-along a mysterious biker and a couple of black helicopters start tailing our girls. The biker is quickly identified as Magdalena, as she hands America some flowers. Suddenly though a bullet nearly kills Magdalena and an army of bikers arrive to try and kill our heroes! No I'm not sure why.

Now you are fucking with me.

I remember how shellshocked people were at Issue 6.

All three girls immediately disregard the task of safely driving the car to help out in the fight. It turns out that the helicopters and the bikes are all being controlled by robots cyborgs and thus our heroes have no need to hold back as they quickly wipe out the assault force.

The danger solved, our heroes set about to discover why they were attacked, sorry, I mean ask Magdalena what is going on. Sorry, what I really mean is Kate monologues about how awesome lesbians are while America and her girl fly off to flirt.

CYBORGS ARE FUCKING HUMAN BEINGS WITH CYBERNETIC ENHANCEMENTS! IS THIS SHIT CONFUSING ANDROIDS WITH CYBORGS NOW?!

In a shocking twist which completely invalidates the previous fight and makes me again wonder what exactly the point of the "no star portals" rule was, it turns out Magdalena was working for the bad guys! She injects America with something just as a helicopter crashes into the sign they are on lands to pick up the girls.

Will America get deported from her namesake by a racist Hydra CIA cell ran by Donald Trump? Dissected by scientists in an underground laboratory? Faced with a problem that could meaningfully challenge her? I doubt it! The next issue cover seems to show her and Kate Bishop forming a girlband and performing for the Champions, Ironheart and Loki.

Current year American capeshit, ladies and gentlemen!

It just keeps getting worse….

THIS IS IT

After all these years we finally found it:

THE WORST COMIC

What happened to the previous artist? WHERE DID THEY HIDE HIS BODY?

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I figured they gave up on Kate Bishop and her status as "Hawkeye" years ago when her little comic only amounted to niche success and no lasting impact on the comics.. Now she's just one of those diversity characters that shows up whenever some snotty cunt wants to remind us that IT'S [CURRENT YEAR] SHITLORDS.. and what do they do with her? Spend more time talking, gossiping, whining, eating pizza, going to coffee houses, having a night on the town, bitching, more gossiping and talking, and down quirky girl stuff… oh and one action scene that's literally over in a single page.

Also the art is even uglier than before. Nothing like giving a shit comic a visual texture that reminds you of shit.

Are they making it worse on purpose?

There are two flavors of talent in mainstream comics today: Old as balls neckbeards trying to be hip or greenhorn IDPOL shits who can't write.

Sure, you sometimes get a Christopher Hastings or a Felipe Smith, but a good chunk are fucking Gabby Rivera.

Rivera only wrote ONE book before given this title. One.

Considering how well known this formula is, I'm surprised their hasn't been a parody of it by now.

This is disgusting, this is horrible, this is a heresy.

I just want to scream and scream, to tear my vocal cords in burning rage. The horrible art, the horrible writting
THE HORRIBLE SPANGLISH.

Columbus was wrong by finding this tainted earth, the Catholic kings were wrong by funding that horrible expedition, this is the worst timeline.

I don't even have enouth rage pictures for this.

It's a weird sort of cock-tease when you get down to it.

If you've read the last few issues of America like I have, it seems like it should be a parody.

But it's not.

I want you to imagine you're a stunt driver and you're about to do a big jump over a canyon. The side you jump from is "terrible comic" and the side you want to land on is "hilarious unintentional parody". As you're burning rubber, you're just praying you're going to hit that ramp at enough speed to make the jump. You take a deep breath as you tear up the incline and you're launched into the air. You can see "hilarious unintentional parody" getting bigger and bigger as your car falls toward it.

America is missing that jump. You see "hilarious unintentional parody" pull away from you, leaving you to fall into the black abyss of the canyon below.

Why are they invisible?

Don't forget how all the other superheroes caw and fawn over her like she's the best thing since spandex, despite her not actually having done anything important, like, ever.
Even Storm. EVEN STORM. Storm has SAVED THE UNIVERSE. Ripped out Callisto's heart in a duel in a sewer for the leadership of the Morlocks then made up and hot-tubbed with her, been worshipped as a goddess, travelled to the Shiar empire, been a space whale, a pickpocket in Egypt, lost her archaeologist parents in a collapsing tomb, escaped Murderworld, fought gods and devils, died, come back, lost her powers, regained them, been romanced by Dracula…

Hm… never seen that.

I ever forgot that Dracula is an actual character of Marvel.

I owned a tome of his first numbers when I was a kid and I found it fun and somewhat scary.

Marvel Dracula has the best anime ever made.

This shit is worse than Hellcat. I don't care what anyone says. This somehow makes Hellcat seem subtle and there was nothing subtle about Hellcat. Leth knows she's pathetic so her self insert was pathetic too, but still beloved by all, of course. But Rivera's insert is the most amazing thing to ever live and everyone loves her and she can do no wrong. She somehow makes Patsy likeable in comparison.

This makes no sense. I mean, they both jump out of the car but the archer girl ends in the car again, and who is driving? And i like the BOOM explosion and that is actually creative, but then if they were going with that, why did they put "kabooom".

This is some serious cargo cult behaviour. This isn't a comic, it's some comic-like activity that the authors believe will generate sales, like the natives building aeroplanes out of bamboo, thinking the aeroplane juju will bring the cargo.
But like the natives not understanding things like aerodynamics, or engines, or international trade, these SJWs don't understand plot or storytelling or panel design, or motivation, or character development, or any of the things that go into making a comic.
It's worse than idiots like Rob Liefeld imitating better cartoonists without getting any of the underlying craftsmanship, at least Liefeld actually read comics, or maybe just looked at the pictures, these assholes probably never read a comic in their life, this is probably what they imagine comics are like, but better because they have LESBIAN twice a page, and BROWN PEOPLE, and purple sparkles everywhere.

Its Marvel it doesnt need too.

Porn stars do comics now?

brabo riderz :DDD

I swear they never miss a chance to write, "by my moms'." Stiffest dialogue ever.

Nu Rom had two mothers and you never hear him work it into every conversation.
Then again he also had to kill them so it's probably a sore point.

Does this looks like a porn actress to you, user ?

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