America #4

Easton Jones
Easton Jones

Hello latinx's and girls. Who wants to see the Greatest PoC Hero Ever fight something?

Last time in this great work by Marvel, America recived a pep talk by Storm and some shit I can't be arsed to look up happened. I think her ex-girlfriend got kidnapped by her stalker fan club who wanted her to fight some monster she'd fought in issue 1? Then her university friends showed up in a stolen inter-dimensional drop-ship?

More important than that though, we start this issue off with America's Mums being Magic Spanish Lesbians. No, I'm not sure what that has to do with anything either.

Back in the present, America, her fan club and her other fan club prepare to face off against some giant pink thing from the first issue!

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Cameron Lewis
Cameron Lewis

I've been steeling myself for this day. Bring me pain, OP.

Landon Edwards
Landon Edwards

I know im going to hate this but I read it anyway

Bentley Bailey
Bentley Bailey

America is about to one shot the monster back out of the story again with her unstoppable inter-dimensional teleportation punch when she realises something. She's already tried that! However will she fight this thing without simply one-shotting it?

It looks like our hispanic hero needs some time to think up a new strategy and the monster isn't interested in giving it time as it keeps on growing bigger(?)! Luckily Cat-Stalker has a boombox which reeees at the creature!

With that having happened, America teleports into the past so she can stop her past self from punching the thing in the first place and thus preventing her stalker from getting upset with her for not being perfect!

In inter-dimensional space Chavez has time to reflect on how the random cameos she's had recently have trained her to become an even better super-hero.

Finally, she arrives a week ago to give us the moment we've all been waiting for our entire lives. There's now two Americas! Hurrah!

Ryan Brown
Ryan Brown

As past-America snarks, present-America puts her plan into action! She's going to push the past-monster into a holding cell in the present so it can't escape from wherever she originally punched it so it could make her fan club upset with her! Apparently this gets rid of the present-monster while not changing anything else about the present, including the locations of her uni friends or the state of her stalkers local area. The fan-club leader is happy with her now though so I guess she isn't a fake after all.

Anyway, everyone starts packing up ready to leave and America calls her ex-girlfriend out for being fake kidnapped. Apparently she only did this though because America wasn't responding to her texts for America to help the Guerillas fight the monster so all is forgiven.

Brody Morales
Brody Morales

Anyway, with all the problems resolved and five pages still left to go we're introduced to a mysterious magic PoC lady! This one claims to know America and her parents as well as have magic inter-dimensional portal powers just like America!

Our mysterious new character named Madrimar opens convenient portals for America's friends to leave by and was apparently the reason the Chavez Guerillas were able to find America's ex! She's also apparently the reason behind the random cameos in the previous issues and claims to be related to both of her mothers! How does America react to this mysterious lady trying to talk to her?

She fucks right off of course. This way Madrimar can be cryptic for a while longer and we can link up to the first couple of pages in the comic by having America as a kid on a hover tricycle.

Kayden Perez
Kayden Perez

And here we have the letters pages. Feel free to look at the concept art for Madrimar while you're at it. My favourite one is the one where she looks like she's wearing her bath robe, I feel the last five pages would have been greatly improved if it had been implied she was just some crazy old lady who's just had a bath.

Mason Wood
Mason Wood

OH BOY TIME TO MAKE SOME MORE SHITTY OC!
why can't I find the stuff I made from last issue?

Ayden Howard
Ayden Howard

her mothers speaking Spanish
Didn't last issue say that she had to learn Spanish and about Latino culture once she landed on the Earth?

one in a million chance of life giving you a do-over
With all it took for America to get a do-over it's more like dime a dozen instead.

Julian Torres
Julian Torres

What can even be said about this fever dream that hasn't already been said?

Isaac Adams
Isaac Adams

I want to talk shit about this, but I don't have the bravery nor the will to read this disgusting shit.

Why anything but Gwenpool and Spiderdaddy is shit?

Levi Lee
Levi Lee

When are people going to understand that LOVING SOMEBODY REELY REELY HARD will not make gay people have biological children they can fuck?

Nicholas Lee
Nicholas Lee

I can't keep track of these bogus names. Zu, Amigx, Zumani, Jumanji, Xundgz, Fanteesha, Lequadrin, Vagisyl…

Lincoln Phillips
Lincoln Phillips

So…did her parents ditch her without warning one day?

Dominic Price
Dominic Price

These last two chapters were just mediocre. The first issue of America alone was more offensive than the entire Hellcat run and worse than anything I've read combined.
Its difficult to say which series is worse: America has slightly better art and has more stuff going than Hellcat which was about nothing but the boring life ot Kate Leth, at least America TRIES to be a superhero comic. On the other hand, its also a disjointed mess. Her powers are so poorly defined and its impossible to tell what her weaknesses are. And we don't need to say that is just as self-righteous and prone to lecturing than the previous comic.

Luke Watson
Luke Watson

She has to go back.

Jaxson Cruz
Jaxson Cruz

Gwenpool
not shit

Pick one.

Daniel Jenkins
Daniel Jenkins

What is up with these comics waxing poetic and trying to be oh so fucking deep? It just comes of as semi comprehensible word salad.

pg. 5
When did this "Zu" bitch get this piece of tech and……what does this thing even do?

Why does America ask no questions about the events that are transpiring? This old lady just uses the same powers America has and America doesn't even bother to ask the who, what, when, where, why and how and instead ops to be a stand offish cunt as usual.

Angel Cox
Angel Cox

so damn hard to follow the action. the hell is this

William White
William White

What America needs is to be Dr. Manhattan'd like Zoom recently was.

You know, where she gets obliterated and in a few seconds another version of her that was actually the one that just died arrives to try and save hersrelf, only to also get obliterated.

Maybe kill all of Planet Space Lesbians after that too.

Caleb Smith
Caleb Smith

amigx

This isn't a parody to make fun of SJW newspeak, they really do think that's a word. It's crazy that there are somehow comics worse than shit like Champions or Hellcat.

Tyler Perry
Tyler Perry

America is worse. Far, far worse.

While Hellcat was vapid, lazy, stupid, and boring, it was at least something.

America is nothing. I can't use adjectives to describe it because there's nothing I can describe. It has no characters, no plot, no story. I can call Hellcat a dumb cunt. I can't call America anything because she's virtually a non-entity.

Jonathan Sanders
Jonathan Sanders

In order from most to least infuriating

2>1>4>3

Juan Perez
Juan Perez

least infuriating

Jaxson Evans
Jaxson Evans

Stop the ride, I want to get off!

Owen Lee
Owen Lee

Mr. Bones says you can get off at the next stop.

Ryan Long
Ryan Long

there is no stop

Lincoln Davis
Lincoln Davis

That is not how time travel works!

Andrew Brooks
Andrew Brooks

This is so, so bad. It's so dull.

Owen Fisher
Owen Fisher

I have questions, like a lot of them.
First, why did America have to go to the past if there was a way to capture that thing in the present? Could'nt she just capture it in the present?
And if she did actually changed something in the past wouldn't that affect the present or something?
if the girls had a weapon to fight the creature, why didn't they use it first instead of getting their asses kicked? Where did she get the weapon? How did she know it was going to work?
The onlywhitepersoninthecomic said she send messages to America. But it is stated that the college is in a different dimension like in "between dimensions", how do you send messages to a different dimension? Couldn't America just say "I live in other dimension now, your phone service doesn't have coverture there"?
If the girls could hack anything why didn't they hack a message to America? Why did they need to fake a kidnapping?
Wasn't one of the girls about to die or something?
If that old witch so powerful why didn't she help the girls before all this mess happened?

James Kelly
James Kelly

Clearly you dont understand what the writer is trying to comunicate here, all that drama is to teach america a lesson and make her grow as a character. I dont know why though, she is literary perfect.

Jack Morgan
Jack Morgan

Jesus fucking christ that art in the lower right corner that is why you have to learn to fucking draw and not just trace stock photograph holy fucking hell.

Jayden Rivera
Jayden Rivera

America is completely incomprehensible. The story makes absolutely zero sense and it's even hard to figure out what's happening from page to page. The writing, the art, all of it incoherent and amateurish. Lethcat was shit because it was Kate using the book to live her own boring life in the MU. The plots might have been bad and conflict non-existant but at least you could (mostly) follow what was happening. America, though, makes no sense at all. It's a series of words and pictures haphazardly arranged to present something that tries to look like a story but instead reads like R'lyehian in comic book form as your mind cannot comprehend it and to attempt to invites only madness.

Owen Edwards
Owen Edwards

red star magazine
the serpent is ready to strike from within
Stacked Deck. Innit?

Ayden Smith
Ayden Smith

There is a continuity error in within the first page and a half; this error is so bad it means the first appearance of the protagonist's "parents" has them being depicted incorrectly.

Christ, this is the new Hellcat, isn't it?

Samuel Sanders
Samuel Sanders

With the blue-suited one, it looks like the lines for the collar are present in both images, but the colorists are incompetent and thought that her clavicle-line was a seam.

Also, checking the credits on the intro page, how does such shitty art require FIVE PEOPLE for pencils, inks, and colors?

Evan Sullivan
Evan Sullivan

how does such shitty art require FIVE PEOPLE for pencils, inks, and colors?
Most likely due to cutting it close with deadlines. Writer is probably taking her time, and then everyone else needs to crunch.

Samuel Williams
Samuel Williams

I don't get this.

Ryan Young
Ryan Young

Hellcat's issues were plenty but at least it was easy to follow the story and there were attempts to flesh out characters.

Miss America though.
Horrible Pacing,
Horrible characters. Especially the LeeLuu Beta Metas (they're just plot devices)
Poorly Defined Powers
Randomly going back in time for no good reason
I cringe every time she says 'moms'
Looks like a Mary Sue
Any conflict lacks tension cause of how OP she is

Jonathan Phillips
Jonathan Phillips

When are people going to understand that LOVING SOMEBODY REELY REELY HARD will not make gay people have biological children they can fuck?
You don't understand. These are not human lesbians, they are beings from another dimension with superpowers. They are aliens who just happen to look and act like lesbians, but they totally aren't human lesbians. That's how Steven Pozzyverse got away with it.

Aaron Thomas
Aaron Thomas

america chavez
chavez
w e w l a d

Bentley Foster
Bentley Foster

You don't have your nightmare vision goggles on.

Ian Foster
Ian Foster

Why would he need them in the first place?

Jacob Anderson
Jacob Anderson

Well, they succeeded…

This is, without a doubt, the gayest fucking thing I've seen in a long time.

Aaron Peterson
Aaron Peterson

How can you not love that shit. It's fucking hilarious.

Nathaniel Ortiz
Nathaniel Ortiz

The fact they were entirely serious when writing/drawing that shit makes is what makes it hilarious.

Bravo, MARVEL. You have eliminated homophobia and outdated gender norms, and Donald Trump is no longer President!

Jaxon Bennett
Jaxon Bennett

Because his own visage is lacking in clarity. He can't put it all together, like everyone else can.

Xavier Taylor
Xavier Taylor

Chavez Guerrillas
What the actual fuck is the writer thinking? The name America Chavez is bad enough as it already is. Do socjus people actually believe the name Chavez has any good meaning for most of the latin american population?
Also what's up with the amigx bullshit? Does spanish being a gendered language triggers them so much?

Ethan Watson
Ethan Watson

This has to be the worst comic book my eyes ever gazed. And this is coming from someone who was a Marvel reader during Heroes Reborn years.

Easton Harris
Easton Harris

Hugo Chaves, may he rest in peace, DID NOTHING WRONG

Christian Hernandez
Christian Hernandez

That fucking viewmaster
EVERY TIME

Justin Campbell
Justin Campbell

They trully use amigx?

This is all your fault America, for faking a war against us just to take Cuba from just and freeing all those monstrosities you call Southamerica.

Vete a la cama, Pablo Iglesias.

Juan Roberts
Juan Roberts

How the hell is that even pronounced? Aside from "Loco"

Samuel Jenkins
Samuel Jenkins

Eegleseeass

Is a leftist spanish politician saying that Hugo Chavez was a good guy.

Oliver Reyes
Oliver Reyes

I think he meant "amigx"

Carson Price
Carson Price

Hm… "amigks"?

Noah Gray
Noah Gray

I bet the middle class of Venezuela would just love to hear him explain that… in their midst.

Aiden James
Aiden James

I think the proper pronounciation would be "ah-me-gks"

Jeremiah Butler
Jeremiah Butler

caring what the middle class of anywhere thinks

Elijah Robinson
Elijah Robinson

A politician caring about what people think? nah, it's easier to just lie to them. Throw some black musician so they can dance like monkey's

Leo Young
Leo Young

No, I was just trying to imply that the cretin would be torn limb-from-limb for his audacity.

Cooper Jones
Cooper Jones

So, any porn that make America Chaves fuckeble?
bonus points if she is painted white

Eli Fisher
Eli Fisher

I hate how this bitch is appropriating mutant culture by putting Xs everywhere.

Wyatt Butler
Wyatt Butler

being afraid of the middle class

Jackson Taylor
Jackson Taylor

Thanks for the commentary OP.

All I can see after reading this comic
Main character is from another dimension
But is named America and her powers use the star shaped portals while the energy in them is striped red/blue like the US flag
Also looks and acts Hispanic.
Seems to have inherited gayness from her gay mothers.
I still have no idea why I should care about any of these hipster characters and there even more crazy names. One of them appears to be wearing a 90's Viewmaster in the 5th pic of .

Ryan Cox
Ryan Cox

I want somebody, anybody, to explain anything about America to me.

What are her powers? Is she from another dimension or another planet? Either way, is wherever she comes from Hispanic or is she just Hispanic because that's where they dropped her off? Does she have earth parents, like Superman? If she comes from a planet of gay browness, who's her dad? Does she have a dad? Does one of her moms have a dick? If America is gay, and her parents are gay, is her entire race wired to be gay or did her parents groom her to be gay? Why did they send her to spic town? Was there a GalacTrump building a cosmic wall around their planet? What the fuck is even going on? What the fuck is this comic about?

Just make something make sense, please.

William Allen
William Allen

This is the never acknowledged (by them, at least) liberal racism.

new Ms America is created and she just a generic strength/endurance/flight sassy character but latina
her debut series ends with her kissing a guy from the book
Marvel hands her over to trying-to-hard-to-be-progressive Gillen who makes her a gaylord from a gaylord universe and handwaves away her straightness and gives her an loosely defined ability to punch star portals
they don't realize they just stripped her of being latina because she's, for all intents and purposes, an alien

They were so blinded by their need to be woke they didn't realize just how much they fucked up what they think she is. Gillen never even went into her past much, he just changed her to check a bunch of lib boxes and left it at that. Now, they're trying to pretend that because she's brown and got adopted by tacos here that she's latina. This is literally cultural appropriation.

Christopher Sanders
Christopher Sanders

What are her powers?
Based on this comic, it's enhanced strength, durability, flying, and punhcing portals to other worlds and potentially times as well.

Is she from another dimension or another planet?
Both, apparently.

Either way, is wherever she comes from Hispanic or is she just Hispanic because that's where they dropped her off?
In Issue 2, America says that she is Hispanic because when she run away after her mothers' death, Latino community is the only place that she was welcomed in. Growing up she adopted their language and culture. In this issue her mothers speak Spanish. Author just contradicts herself and can't even keep her 4 issues consistent with one another.

Does she have earth parents, like Superman?
Unknown

If she comes from a planet of gay browness, who's her dad? Does she have a dad? Does one of her moms have a dick?
She had two biological mothers. Who knows how she was conceived.

If America is gay, and her parents are gay, is her entire race wired to be gay or did her parents groom her to be gay?
Unknown. She might not even be a human.

Why did they send her to spic town?
She bounced between different places , and decided to settle for Puerto Ricans.

What the fuck is even going on?
Fat and incompetent author smearing her vomit on paper and getting paid pennies for it.

What the fuck is this comic about?
Author's self insert and SJW fantasies.

Her author is the most stereotypical Puerto Rican lesbian you will ever see. She is more of a caricature than America herself. Pic related.

Cooper Thompson
Cooper Thompson

I worked at a mall for a while and one of the things I noticed was tons of fat mexican/hispanic/latina women who purposefully dolled themselves up to look like chubby 10 year old boys. It was weird, but since I almost always saw them in pairs, I can only guess that it's some kind of lesbian thing.

Ethan Morgan
Ethan Morgan

Her author is the most stereotypical Puerto Rican lesbian you will ever see.
Her
If you didn't mention that I would have thought you were posting a random image of some sort of fat male rapper.

Blake Morgan
Blake Morgan

GIVE US CONTEXT DARN IT

Lincoln Scott
Lincoln Scott

Haha…. Posted on wrong thread

Ryder Martin
Ryder Martin

Jesus fucking Christ, this stupid dyke boasts about being brown, but she is just as white as I am.

Austin Ortiz
Austin Ortiz

¡Oye, cabron! Donchu know that whiteness is a social construction, esse?

Cooper Hernandez
Cooper Hernandez

This might be a little relevant.

Camden Miller
Camden Miller

not like we needed admittance.

Levi Diaz
Levi Diaz

tons of fat mexican/hispanic/latina women who purposefully dolled themselves up to look like chubby 10 year old boys
the chic lesbian look used to be 'willowy androgyne' but that look isn't compatible with fourthmeal at taco bell

was worried Patsy didn't have a personality
Patsy was literally just Kate
those two things are in no way a contradiction

Ryan Brown
Ryan Brown

Fun fact: I am naturally tan. My mother is Chilean. She's actually whiter than me, and in fact I inherited my skin color from my Spanish father.

Genetics be haywire.

Mason Scott
Mason Scott

Honestly, it was so shamefully obvious it was kind of cute. All in all, the entire Hellcat story (Kate's spergy temper tantrums, Hellcat's obvious self insertion and diversity inserts) was a harmless and quite adorable roller-coaster. If there was one saga I wish we could continue it would be Hellcat. As far as America Chavez and Squirrel Girl, there really isn't anything redeemable.

Dominic Hill
Dominic Hill

Patsy was literally just Kate
I can't wait for Hellcat to get uncancelled so Patsy can fuck a married man, 12 years older than her with 3 kids and has colon cancer.
Oh boy! what hi-jinks is she going to use to get out of this one guy's?

Mason Smith
Mason Smith

I'd be down for Hellcat tongue kissing girl. With the condition that it's actually a girl, and not a fucking "girl".

Jacob Evans
Jacob Evans

5th image, what is the point of the frame-like cropping of the first panel? It doesn't serve any storytelling purpose, when the Bronze Age masters, like Howard Chaykin or Walt Simonson divided up a shot like that it was to denote time passing through a single area. Here it's just like the artist is trying to copy Bronze storytelling tricks without really understanding them. That's be a perfectly good top half of that page, you'd read the speaks bubbles in the right order anyway, all the asshole has done is the equivalent of yelling I'VE BEEN TO DESIGN SCHOOL while sticking his dick in your eye.

And why does everything look like Twilight Sparkle's maxipad?

Austin Peterson
Austin Peterson

Comics are back at reinventing the wheel. I don't think Alonso and his goons at Marvel really give a shit, and Geoff Johns and his goons at DC have always felt they should innovate styles. As far as shit goes to dialing back on past creators, I don't really see a purpose. I didn't know who Chaykin was until divided states of hysteria, and the last thing I've seen that got me excited over a bronze age creator was Joe Quesadilla's Miracle Man short

And it was mediocre. Honestly, who cares at this point. The medium is on life support, and it's basically DC carrying a dying man up hill that's kicking and clawing his way back down.

It's really bad right now, and grabbing someone like Leifield or Macfarland isn't gonna do jack shit.

Who was honestly the last guy that made a name for themselves? Robert Kirkman? In an alternate timeline the industry has made 10 or 15 Robert Kirkman's since Invincible and Walking Dead made it unto the scene.

Josiah Moore
Josiah Moore

Based on this comic, it's enhanced strength, durability, flying, and punhcing portals to other worlds and potentially times as well.

It's astounding how fucking comic writers can make shit like PUNCHING HOLES INTO ANOTHER DIMENSION boring as fuck.

It's like a talent unto itself.

Gavin Murphy
Gavin Murphy

The most successful people in the comics industry are working on webcomics. Let that sink in.

Tyler Nguyen
Tyler Nguyen

Is that page from this Quesada Miracle Man story?

Jose Ross
Jose Ross

Is this the new "Unsolicited Opinions On Israel"?

Tyler Price
Tyler Price

Spiderdaddy
Not shit

Jaxon Butler
Jaxon Butler

Yeah, Kid Miracleman completes his sociopath coming of age and basically sees himself as a sort of anti-Christ figure. Comes back to kill a priest he spared after he got free. It's quite powerful, but It didn't really give us an insight on why Johnny Bates actually went bad. By this point he's already decided he's bad.

Elijah Miller
Elijah Miller

Hey! Don't you even freakin' dare
Why is she so salty when literally all she's going to do is fix the situation?
None of these issues ever make any goddamn sense.

Jordan Wilson
Jordan Wilson

Also looks and acts Hispanic
doesnt eat tacos
is not catholic
no huge family of brothers and sisters
no lucha libre references
no crucifixes or virgin mary medalions
its just a brown gay ayylium from another dimension
hispanic
guess that it's some kind of lesbian thing
I think all fat latinas that cant get married turn into lesbos
Maybe IT is from argentina.

Charles Gray
Charles Gray

this stupid dyke boasts about being brown
I haven't never heard of Latino calling themselves brown outside of hardcore SJW circles. Based on people I know, most of them consider themselves white or native rather than subscribing to any skin color.
Only people I know that consider themselves brown are South Asians.

Maybe IT is from argentina.
Riviera is Puerto Rican.

Anthony Reyes
Anthony Reyes

it's basically DC carrying a dying man up hill that's kicking and clawing his way back down.

No. DC is a graverobber trying to plunder from it's own past to save it's future. It mimics the motions, but it has no soul.

Is it really that surprising? Why fucking work for the Big Two when you have more freedom and potential profit going out on your own?

Luke Campbell
Luke Campbell

is not Catholic
no crucifixes or virgin mary medalions

That is just too problematic, fam. We all know Christianity is the religion of evil white males (nevermind its practiced by majority of the brown Latino nations south of Mexico's border)

Man, I don't know how real life SJWs handle trying to appeal to Mexicans when the vast majority are religiously Conservative as hell. Maybe even more so than the ebil right-winged boogeymen.

Maybe IT is from Argentina
Argentina
being anything other than white

Easton Cooper
Easton Cooper

No. DC is a graverobber trying to plunder from it's own past to save it's future. It mimics the motions, but it has no soul.

I disagree completely. I've been enjoying Flash, and Titans a hell of a lot more than anything you could consider just a tedious cash grab. Civil War 2 was a cash grab. In rebirth there's a bigger plan in the grand scheme's, not a whatever Civil War 2 was.

Cooper Parker
Cooper Parker

We all know Christianity is the religion of evil white males
Jesus, calm down there summer boy I know ya mommy issues but wasting the day complaining about them is is kinda counter productive.

Mason Cruz
Mason Cruz

summerfags
using sage as a downvote
You seem to have lost your way from Reddit.

Jacob Walker
Jacob Walker

using sage as a downvote
still pushing this exhausted comeback
Real riveting material,the greatest back handed reply ever conceived on the net. Holds as much value as the low quality bumps you give the thread.

Parker Wood
Parker Wood

Using snarky Reddit speech
You can stop outing yourself at any time.

Charles Johnson
Charles Johnson

snarky Reddit speech
I wouldn't call it snarky when its calling your bluff.

Jacob Gomez
Jacob Gomez

And what am I bluffing exactly?

Christopher Carter
Christopher Carter

Can't understand a joke
Accusing someone of being from reddit for no reason

You're both fucking idiots. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and state that it was maybe reading America that dumbed you down.

Jacob Morales
Jacob Morales

Agreed

Joseph Reed
Joseph Reed

skin tones change between panels

Logan Gray
Logan Gray

I don't know how real life SJWs handle trying to appeal to Mexicans
They dont, they only want to appeal other SJW.

Ryder Diaz
Ryder Diaz

What a bunch of faggots. Why don't you fuck already?

Robert Torres
Robert Torres

America's other mother is actually white
The Hispanic mother turns her more Hispanic with every touch, darkening her pigmentation
This is her superpower. They want to destroy all whites.

Liam Barnes
Liam Barnes

They both look brown to me.

Owen Brooks
Owen Brooks

Pink hands.

Caleb James
Caleb James

….why is she saluting with her left hand?

Christian Wood
Christian Wood

Because the literal faggots that write this dreck know exactly fuckall about police or military procedure and etiquette.

Jaxson Hernandez
Jaxson Hernandez

Anyone got the latest numbers for this series so we can all laugh as Marvel tries to justify this series as it Hemorages money?

And while we're at it, can I get the numbers for series like Hell Cat, Squirrel Girl, Moon Girl, Etc.

William Moore
William Moore

Anyone got Archives for Previous America threads or pictures like Hell cat where they summarize and put together the best of the threads?

Ryan Taylor
Ryan Taylor

comichron.com/monthlycomicssales/2017/2017-05.html
America #3 - 16,262
Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur (says #0 but probably mistyped and is #20) - 14,244
Red Sonja #5 - 11, 692
Unbeatable Squirrel Girl #20 - 10,999
Unstoppable Wasp #5 - 9,013
Riverdale #2 - 7,878

Benjamin Phillips
Benjamin Phillips

Thanks m8.

Sebastian Myers
Sebastian Myers

Those riverdale sales

I wonder if they miss the blue hedgehog already.

Henry Morgan
Henry Morgan

I was looking at this the other day. America #2 was at around 23k the month before and 43k for it's #1 issue. Considering how much the media has decided to start talking about America Chavez lately, I can only assumed #4 sold like ass and it's probably in the 10k or lower range, making Marvel panic.

Isaiah Howard
Isaiah Howard

Unbeatable Squirrel Girl #20 - 10,999
Wait a cotton-picking minute. Number fucking TWENTY? Last time I checked they were rebooting the shitpile series with another #1 and were on the verge of being shitcanned (again). Did they churn out three dozen numbers while I wasn't looking?

Tyler Walker
Tyler Walker

I wonder what's happened recently, yeah. Moon Girl's sales have almost doubled; last I'd checked she was surfing around 8,000. Makes me wonder if the SJWs are actually bothering to buy?

This is it! The epic showdown between Melissa and Squirrel Girl, as the fate of New York City — and everyone in it — hangs in the balance! Will Melissa's secret intentions be uncovered? Will Doreen and her friends be able to stop her? Can squirrels TRULY hope to match an army made up of EVERY OTHER ANIMAL EVER? Great news: We have studied each of these questions extremely carefully, and we are pleased to reveal our answers in this upcoming issue of THE UNBEATABLE SQUIRREL GIRL!

Daniel Evans
Daniel Evans

So how many issues does a GOOD comic sell anyway? And what is the right drop of units sold as time passes?

Adrian Harris
Adrian Harris

The top comics on the list are averaging around 100,000 in sales right now. The best comics of around a decade ago would get almost 200,000 in sales.
Hellcat's 2nd to last issue was 7,232 sales. I think this was about when it got cancelled, maybe slightly after.
Mockingbird's 2nd to last issue was 14,751 sales, which was slightly before it got cancelled.
Starfire's 2nd to last issue was 20,131 sales.

Austin Green
Austin Green

I wonder what's happened recently, yeah. Moon Girl's sales have almost doubled; last I'd checked she was surfing around 8,000. Makes me wonder if the SJWs are actually bothering to buy?
Moon Girl is hard to compare to most other comics because the bulk of the sales is apparently coming from scholastic book faires. It's a form of direct marketing that is lower risk and easier to pull off than selling in bulk to comic shops, essentially. If it were on equal footing with every other comic, being sold the same way they sell everything else, Moon Girl wouldn't even break the top 100.

Connor Morales
Connor Morales

Who would do that to children? Subject them to moon girl, there should be a law!

Michael Ward
Michael Ward

The most recent issue was released and its the worst one made so far
Has anyone seen it yet? Is OP going to return to finish it?

Lucas Bennett
Lucas Bennett

OP here, I might have a look at storytiming issue 5 it over the weekend because I recall it going in HARD with the "OMG Lesbians! angle" to the point of having female Hawkeye monologue on how wonderful Sapphic love was to herself. I also might forget to storytime it though. We'll see.

Luke Hall
Luke Hall

Hellcat's obvious self insertion and diversity inserts) was a harmless and quite adorable roller-coaster.

it was poorly written and drawn, what's up with all these people praising hellcat these days? yes it absolutely was as bad as America Chavez, it was worse. does anybody remember how terrible it was?

John Jackson
John Jackson

Hellcat was just a mild self-insert comic that belongs on tumblr. Most people here are used to that. Art oscillates between kind of bad and very bad.
America is also a self insert tumblr comic, but it is much more in your face with all the ideology. You have whole pages dedicated to praising brown characters, bashing white men, and incomprehensible retardation. Say what you want, but Hellcat didn't feature half-page monologues on how amazing lesbians are and had Hitler randomly standing in the middle of a battlefield just so America can punch him. Crap like that drives everyone crazy, and main character being over the top ghetto Puerto Rican stereotype makes it even worse.

Tyler Ortiz
Tyler Ortiz

Aight my queer woke LatinX sisters and other shitlords. It's time, (one of) you've asked for it:
AMERICA# 5:Lesbian Roadtrip.

Our story starts with America thinking deep thoughts into her mirror. Does she really know who she is? Who her parents were? She certainly doesn't know who Madrimar is, will she find out?

Who cares, IT'S SPRING BREAK BABY! LET'S GO SEE KATE BISHOP! Kate of course, is ever so willing to help America deal with the emergency of her not really having anything to do by pampering the teleporting teen with pizza and pillows.

Hudson Lopez
Hudson Lopez

America tells Kate about her mysterious stalker before getting on to the important stuff: Her sex life. Rather specifically an old flame has been giving America signals that she wans to get back together. Said signals also include the words "No Star Portals. I'm being watched." but that's hardly important. What is important is that America drags her adult friend on an impromptu road-trip just so she can get some nostalgic tail. Not that Kate seems at all bothered. I guess either she's rich or business must be really slow.

Oliver Cruz
Oliver Cruz

How can America have and ex she's know since a kid if she didn't come to this universe till she was around her current age?

Christopher Hernandez
Christopher Hernandez

Mid-way through a sing-along a mysterious biker and a couple of black helicopters start tailing our girls. The biker is quickly identified as Magdalena, as she hands America some flowers. Suddenly though a bullet nearly kills Magdalena and an army of bikers arrive to try and kill our heroes! No I'm not sure why.

Joshua Thompson
Joshua Thompson

THE PATRIARCHY
Now you are fucking with me.

Nicholas Morales
Nicholas Morales

I remember how shellshocked people were at Issue 6.

Hudson Gutierrez
Hudson Gutierrez

All three girls immediately disregard the task of safely driving the car to help out in the fight. It turns out that the helicopters and the bikes are all being controlled by robots cyborgs and thus our heroes have no need to hold back as they quickly wipe out the assault force.

The danger solved, our heroes set about to discover why they were attacked, sorry, I mean ask Magdalena what is going on. Sorry, what I really mean is Kate monologues about how awesome lesbians are while America and her girl fly off to flirt.

Leo Wilson
Leo Wilson

CYBORGS ARE FUCKING HUMAN BEINGS WITH CYBERNETIC ENHANCEMENTS! IS THIS SHIT CONFUSING ANDROIDS WITH CYBORGS NOW?!

Josiah Williams
Josiah Williams

In a shocking twist which completely invalidates the previous fight and makes me again wonder what exactly the point of the "no star portals" rule was, it turns out Magdalena was working for the bad guys! She injects America with something just as a helicopter crashes into the sign they are on lands to pick up the girls.

Will America get deported from her namesake by a racist Hydra CIA cell ran by Donald Trump? Dissected by scientists in an underground laboratory? Faced with a problem that could meaningfully challenge her? I doubt it! The next issue cover seems to show her and Kate Bishop forming a girlband and performing for the Champions, Ironheart and Loki.

David Diaz
David Diaz

Current year American capeshit, ladies and gentlemen!

Matthew Watson
Matthew Watson

It just keeps getting worse….

Anthony Bell
Anthony Bell

THIS IS IT

After all these years we finally found it:

THE WORST COMIC

Samuel Robinson
Samuel Robinson

What happened to the previous artist? WHERE DID THEY HIDE HIS BODY?

Thomas Ward
Thomas Ward

America and Kate Bishop forming a girl band
Kelly Thompson credited as "archery consultant"
the same Kelly Thompson that created the god-awful Jem reboot for IDW

Jackson Rodriguez
Jackson Rodriguez

I figured they gave up on Kate Bishop and her status as "Hawkeye" years ago when her little comic only amounted to niche success and no lasting impact on the comics.. Now she's just one of those diversity characters that shows up whenever some snotty cunt wants to remind us that IT'S [CURRENT YEAR] SHITLORDS.. and what do they do with her? Spend more time talking, gossiping, whining, eating pizza, going to coffee houses, having a night on the town, bitching, more gossiping and talking, and down quirky girl stuff… oh and one action scene that's literally over in a single page.

Also the art is even uglier than before. Nothing like giving a shit comic a visual texture that reminds you of shit.

Camden Sullivan
Camden Sullivan

Are they making it worse on purpose?

Samuel Phillips
Samuel Phillips

There are two flavors of talent in mainstream comics today: Old as balls neckbeards trying to be hip or greenhorn IDPOL shits who can't write.

Sure, you sometimes get a Christopher Hastings or a Felipe Smith, but a good chunk are fucking Gabby Rivera.

Rivera only wrote ONE book before given this title. One.

Leo Garcia
Leo Garcia

Spend more time talking, gossiping, whining, eating pizza, going to coffee houses, having a night on the town, bitching, more gossiping and talking, and down quirky girl stuff

Considering how well known this formula is, I'm surprised their hasn't been a parody of it by now.

Aaron Evans
Aaron Evans

This is disgusting, this is horrible, this is a heresy.

I just want to scream and scream, to tear my vocal cords in burning rage. The horrible art, the horrible writting
THE HORRIBLE SPANGLISH.

Columbus was wrong by finding this tainted earth, the Catholic kings were wrong by funding that horrible expedition, this is the worst timeline.

I don't even have enouth rage pictures for this.

Nicholas Baker
Nicholas Baker

It's a weird sort of cock-tease when you get down to it.
Here's this superhero character!
<Right?
She's got crazy powers and can travel all over the multiverse fighting bad guys and saving the day
<Oh, that sounds kind of interesting..
And she's gay and latina.. but not really latina, cause she's like from another dimension or something
<That's… weird, but whatever. What's the current storyline about?
Oh, she's just hanging out with other lady superheroes and talking about her problems and how she's all mixed up and insecure about stuff and things
They mostly just eat pizza and drive around
Sometimes bad guys show up, but it's only for a few panels
<….
But once that's done, they get back to the REALLY good stuff, like lesbians
<Lesbians you say? Is the art good
Oh man! It's so fucking ugly, but that doesn't matter, because it's really about the dialog
<Did you say this was a superhero comic?
You see, the dialog is written by a middle aged gay spinster who still acts like she's 15 and thinks she's one of the young people, so it's all super fucking awkward and unnatural
So, like, nothing happens and all they do is sit around and talk about their feelings and how they're all gay and they think boys are gross and icky
It's the best comic ever and I'm so angry that the patriarchy is stopping it from selling well!

Justin Cruz
Justin Cruz

I'm surprised their hasn't been a parody of it by now

If you've read the last few issues of America like I have, it seems like it should be a parody.

But it's not.

I want you to imagine you're a stunt driver and you're about to do a big jump over a canyon. The side you jump from is "terrible comic" and the side you want to land on is "hilarious unintentional parody". As you're burning rubber, you're just praying you're going to hit that ramp at enough speed to make the jump. You take a deep breath as you tear up the incline and you're launched into the air. You can see "hilarious unintentional parody" getting bigger and bigger as your car falls toward it.

America is missing that jump. You see "hilarious unintentional parody" pull away from you, leaving you to fall into the black abyss of the canyon below.

Kayden Turner
Kayden Turner

Cyborgs
Why are they invisible?

Henry Long
Henry Long

Don't forget how all the other superheroes caw and fawn over her like she's the best thing since spandex, despite her not actually having done anything important, like, ever.
Even Storm. EVEN STORM. Storm has SAVED THE UNIVERSE. Ripped out Callisto's heart in a duel in a sewer for the leadership of the Morlocks then made up and hot-tubbed with her, been worshipped as a goddess, travelled to the Shiar empire, been a space whale, a pickpocket in Egypt, lost her archaeologist parents in a collapsing tomb, escaped Murderworld, fought gods and devils, died, come back, lost her powers, regained them, been romanced by Dracula…

Chase Turner
Chase Turner

Been romanced by Dracula
Hm… never seen that.

I ever forgot that Dracula is an actual character of Marvel.

I owned a tome of his first numbers when I was a kid and I found it fun and somewhat scary.

Chase Walker
Chase Walker

Marvel Dracula has the best anime ever made.

Carson Hernandez
Carson Hernandez

This shit is worse than Hellcat. I don't care what anyone says. This somehow makes Hellcat seem subtle and there was nothing subtle about Hellcat. Leth knows she's pathetic so her self insert was pathetic too, but still beloved by all, of course. But Rivera's insert is the most amazing thing to ever live and everyone loves her and she can do no wrong. She somehow makes Patsy likeable in comparison.
the tone of the book changes on a dime
<"i'm so sad and lost, but spring break!
a character is fucking monologuing about how amazing lesbians are and in no way does it resembling anything close to a natural way of speaking.
America blows up 2 helicopters before realizing there's no one in them and everyone is invisible cyborgs or some shit, so she would murder people unquestionably. Kate too it seems
no one asks about where or why all these came out of nowhere to attack them even tho there's no other scene to get in the way
Rivera can't keep anything consistent
<America was adopted in by spics in New York when she lost mothers, now she's in Las Vegas at 11 because Rivera wants her to be
<America breaks up with her white gf, then feels sad because she not with her anymore, then saves her (but not really), only to break up with her again
Hellcat was cancer, but this is like double cancer.

Alexander Peterson
Alexander Peterson

This makes no sense. I mean, they both jump out of the car but the archer girl ends in the car again, and who is driving? And i like the BOOM explosion and that is actually creative, but then if they were going with that, why did they put "kabooom".

Gabriel Ward
Gabriel Ward

This is some serious cargo cult behaviour. This isn't a comic, it's some comic-like activity that the authors believe will generate sales, like the natives building aeroplanes out of bamboo, thinking the aeroplane juju will bring the cargo.
But like the natives not understanding things like aerodynamics, or engines, or international trade, these SJWs don't understand plot or storytelling or panel design, or motivation, or character development, or any of the things that go into making a comic.
It's worse than idiots like Rob Liefeld imitating better cartoonists without getting any of the underlying craftsmanship, at least Liefeld actually read comics, or maybe just looked at the pictures, these assholes probably never read a comic in their life, this is probably what they imagine comics are like, but better because they have LESBIAN twice a page, and BROWN PEOPLE, and purple sparkles everywhere.

Alexander Moore
Alexander Moore

Its Marvel it doesnt need too.

Nolan Johnson
Nolan Johnson

G. Rivera
Porn stars do comics now?

Eli Cruz
Eli Cruz

brabo riderz :DDD

David Lewis
David Lewis

I swear they never miss a chance to write, "by my moms'." Stiffest dialogue ever.

Aaron Phillips
Aaron Phillips

Nu Rom had two mothers and you never hear him work it into every conversation.
Then again he also had to kill them so it's probably a sore point.

Camden Foster
Camden Foster

Does this looks like a porn actress to you, user ?

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