Holla Forums and Tumblr

convince them to be anarchists
then bring em in

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Inclined to agree with this, I think it would be easier pointing out the alt right have formed in direct response to the divisive effects of idpol.

Pst, the average person is an idiot. This means at minimum the slight majority of people are at least stupid at best. You're not going to achieve shit pandering to the brightest, which seems to have already been achieved to the point we argue over autistic nuances that the masses will shit over and shout down in implementation anyway.

Maybe if we can gently redpill some of the more intelligent thought-leaders among the Tumblrinas, they'll curb the cancer among their community?

You could post a few decent webms. Maybe some Stirner memes. I'd like to think Stirner could eventually be mainstream.

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Would Stirner be good at despooking modern feminists?

Also, maybe those catgirl could work? I wonder if that artist has a tumblr too?

We've been having them come here, may as well go to the source, and attempt to despook them all. Sounds like a fun challenge.

He could advice OP in some stuff or provide content.

Too advanced for tumblr

Stirner is only good at making people angry and stirnerists look like assholes.

If you can't name our mascot I have doubts about you.
plus kawaii mascots are more of a chan meme that will not translate well over at tumblr

I didn't just mean Alunya though.

Also, tumblr likes porn…at least users do, anyway.

This the worst idea I've ever heard
They'll find out it was one of us shilling on there and we'll be swarmed with more idpolers then we can handle just like what happened with all the shilling on reddit. Please don't do this.

Start small. Don't go for the idpol attacking right away but germinate class consciousness. The next part you gotta do pretty carefully is sneaking in anti idpol stuff, start by showing them how idpol is just as virulent in the Right, talking about divisiveness and how capitalism absorbs would be radicals into its fold through appeasement to identities.

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Oh, look at this, someone pushing the idea anyone opposed to tumblrinas and their identity politics is nazi, again.

Don't our NSABook channels already launder memes somewhat?

He's pointing out how the boogeymen that indoctrinated identitarians imagine themselves to be fighting are, in fact, almost wholly a result of their own masturbatory windmill jousting. Sort of like how most of the Moslem fundamentalism and insurgency indoctrinated neocons imagine themselves to be fighting was conjured up directly or indirectly by meddling from the neocons' overlords.

It has absolutely nothing to do with pure genuine leftists, nor with those engaged in internecine attempts to purge identitarianism from the left.

Got a good one from another thread on here regarding refugees.

The current debate is centered around neoliberals being big soft lefties at heart, and the left doesn't challenge this because of idealism and the right doesn't challenge it because they get to live up to their pragmatic macho culture. But the real reason refugees are being shipped into the EU is because of a population crisis which outright bribes to procreate can't even solve. The reason a moral argument has been given is because to offer the real reason would expose a very serious problem with the system: Constant growth is central to capitalism and completely unsustainable.

The beginning of the chain of comments:

Correct. I like the Neocon comparison too, is there a phrase for talking your enemy into existence?

No. That post deliberately frames anyone opposed to idpol as "alt-right", a synonym for nazi and that they are opposed to idpol because they are reactionaries. It may do so subtly, but it still does so.

Jesus christ on a pogo stick you're dense, he said:
i.e.: Among the groups formed by idpol insanity are ALL THE GROUPS IDPOL WAS SUPPOSEDLY FORMED TO COMBAT

Note that line I quoted does NOT MENTION any groups other than idpol and the alt-right.

No. I even replied to him and used the same flag.

The alt-right came after SJWs, newfriend.

Ergo, being opposed to idpol places you in the alt-right…

Learn to read you stupid faggot, rather than trying to sneak the "hurhur i can be wrong for the whole thread" in with a sage.

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tbh facebook normalfags are less spergy than tumblrinas

Fuck you, tumblrina.

I love it

Try and go with memes that slowly dismantle the "muh patriarchy" meme and bring them to a more Marxist critique

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Why does this keep happening?

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This ( ) is quality advice. I would add that you want to be careful what sort of angle you come at idpol from. Don't explain the evils of /idpol/ from the perspective of taking away from class struggle. That's pretty meme-y at this point and that argument was never great anyway.

Explain how things like political correctness have done little to stop racism and general bigotry which was their expressed purpose from the beginning. Explain how being 'anti-PC' has become a rallying cry for the far-right and alt-right.

Perhaps even acknowledge that racism=prejudice+power but then explain how leftism fights racist by taking away their undue amount of power rather than fighting an unwinnable war against prejudice.

The last thing you want to do is appear "soft on racism/sexism/ any other ism." Explain how social justice has been ineffective at fighting a lot of prejudice and doesn't even attempt to address economic issues, then present leftism as an alternative to the "let them eat diversity" approach.

You could even try associating liberals and soc-jus types with white people or straight men early on.

Essentially make them think they're being even more soc-jus than before, while slowly easing them into class-consciousness.

post some of the commie memes from /r/fullcommunism they'd eat that shit up

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Thank god someone else realizes that throwing >DURRR ITS ALL SPOOGS MUH IDPOL MUH BASE SUPERSTRUCTURE GAISE at liberals does nothing else other than alienate them from the left and make us look like a bunch of bigoted alt-left morons.

10/10 advice

Self realizing prophety?

I have thought of someone who would go down incredibly well on tumblr, and I would recommend people check him out. Adam Curtis is a British film maker who makes independent films which are a bit artsy, cover recent history and offers an alternative take on things. Although he doesn't touch on his political beliefs, he's good for dragging people away from their traditional thinking.

His editing skills are really good, so uploading clips as webms (is this possible on tumblr?) or maybe even gifs as a sort of lead in to getting them to watch his documentaries could be good for setting the initial tone of your page. I've only watched a few of his docs but they're favourites of mine, if anyone has seen any more then tell me a bit about them.

The Century of the Self
The Trap - What Happened to our Dream of Freedom
Bitter Lake

Bitter lake is probably the most artsiest of the three, but I'm not really sure what to class it as. It's pretty much a story about how the west blundered into its own demise through military adventurism and ignoring history because of its arrogant belief in its superior culture. I'd highly recommend giving all of them a watch though. I might rewatch them and make a thread about them later.

at the risk of sounding like a gigantic tool: tumblr is the whole reason I found Holla Forums.
I found a blog called marxist maru and ended up here somehow.

marxistmaru.tumblr.com/

Weird thing is that's how I found leftypol… I literally had a tumblr account for 3 days and hated it but came across some spicy, commie memes along the way.

I don't think tumblr is an ineffective way to expose people to leftism. In fact I noticed a lot of blogs I follow are rejecting SJW values in exchange for more economically based arguments. Most liberal and alt-right arguments are at least shut down there. I think a decent bunch of posters from Holla Forums under one account could gain a significant following of decent poster .

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Alright since I'm the token tumblrite and tumblr native, here are my recommendations:

- Change the URL. People don't fucking know who Stirner is, and if they looked into him, he's edgy as fuck which is unappealing. Furthermore, the first time I came this board and saw you calling things spooks, I had no clue what you were talking about and thought it was some bizarre re re-purposing of the anti-black slur. Just say "social construct" when it's appropriate. They're not ready for "gender is a social construct" yet, though. It's pretty TERF-y and seeming like a TERF or being chummy with TERFs will get you shunned.

- Holla Forums loathes identity politics. Don't "sperg out" (ugh, I hate to use that since I have several close friends on the autism spectrum, but I can't think of a better way to word it) over it. It's entirely possible to successfully marry many of IDpol's complaints with leftism. That is, the source of the prison-industrial-complex, police brutality, eurocentric beauty standards (fucked up beauty standards in general, tbqh), Islamophobia, anti-immigration laws, the effects of imperialism/colonialism, etc. is capitalism. They see capitalism's horrid effects, but many haven't correctly identified the source. This isn't necessarily their fault. They wouldn't have known any better. You guys would call me a SJW when I was about 14-17 and I truly believed I was doing the right thing. It never crossed my mind to look into communism as a "social justice" kind of thing until relatively recently. Capitalism's funny like that. Porkies don't want you to think it's relevant, useful, or moral, so people don't consider it a possible solution to be looked in to. Most are welcoming of it when properly introduced. Also, please just be aware that most users are pretty young. 13-19 seems to be where most of them lie. For example, I'm 18 and feel like an ancient relic. They're just kids.

- Leave people under 18 alone. Tumblr's weird about considering 18 year olds adults because they still aren't adults, emotionally and mentally and all that, but it's the legal definition of adulthood so they think they're fair game. If you attack people under 18, especially people who are like 15 and under, you will become very unpopular very quickly.

- Don't speak of non-binary genders, neopronouns, or otherkin. There's no way to do it "right", so just don't even mention it. It's not even that important.

- The Alyuna/political girl waifu shit won't work. Keep it to the chans.

- Don't link to Holla Forums. Don't post shit with Holla Forums's signature on it or anything. Don't even bring it up. Don't speak of image boards. It's actually quite fine to say you visit halfchan and jokes about what you find there or funny screenshots or whatever are fine and can get thousands of notes, but you really don't want to bring them here in search of the source of your posts or a like-minded community. Holla Forums is off-putting to most people and it will turn them away from you if they link your blog and Holla Forums together.

You guys really don't have a grip on the general culture of tumblr. It's fine and understandable since you don't use the site, but it's not the same site as it was circa 2013, nor does its surface accurately represent the true userbase.

There are actually quite a few communist/leftist popular bloggers and there's an enclave of specifically communist users. Memeufacturing is the unofficial leader of 14 yr old tumblr as this point, which I'm not sure how it happened and I don't actually like memeufacturing or 14 yr old tumblr culture, but at least The Youths are included, too. There's also communistbakery, somuchforthetolerantleft, the-red-church, beyonslayed, gotitforcheap (IIRC), and a ton of others whose URLs I can't remember at the moment. All popular, well-known leftist bloggers, mostly for the older half of tumblr's audience (16+). Even I make regular communist posts (both serious posts and just fucking memes) and they're well-received, even though I don't tag them. Posting them has made my socdem friends more sympathetic and the majority I'd say have even converted. Sort of a peer pressure, follow-the-leader kind of thing, I guess. Basically, you aren't the first, but 4.5k followers is a very healthy audience I'm sure you can do at least something with if you pull this thing off. Whether it's actually a good idea is something else, entirely.

Oh, and meant to say you should write a detailed "call-out post" for Hillary Clinton, why she's bad, and direct people to Jill Stein instead of falling in line behind HRC.

It'd also help, I think, if you followed some blogs like gotitforcheap and slimetony (they're mostly just jokesters? I can't remember all the "staple" bloggers, but you should be able to find your way to the others from those two), posted some aesthetic shit every now and then.

First post on my dash. I lopped off the bottom two comments on it because they aren't part of the "classic" post and also they're not funny, so you can't see it but it has nearly 16,000 notes (total # of likes and reblogs). There are countless examples of posts like this.

Back when GG was in full swing, I'd heard it said that Tumblr's stereotype of being an ironclad feminazi deathcamp was an exaggeration, and there was actually a split between the hardcore Tumblrinas (a relatively small but ferociously loudmouthed minority) and swathes of normalfags (mostly just interested in art, porn, and stolen reposts) who rarely interacted with the former group. Kind of like Something Awful from around 2005-2010, where there was a split between the generic kiddies who overlapped with Holla Forumstards, versus the SJW indoctrinated neo-goons that gradually seized power.

How accurate was that assessment? Is it true now?

I feel triggered just reading that

I don't have much of a memory of GG because I didn't care about it one way or the other. I don't even play video games so I just don't know anything, but if it was around maybe 2011-2013 then yeah, I think it's accurate. Do know I didn't actually start using tumblr until 2012 (I have friend who's been using it since 2010-ish and he'd let us check it out with his account during lunch and stuff) and I was like 14 at the time and just liked books and the French Revolution a lot.

Around Michael Brown's death, I noticed a shift toward an emphasis on combating racism, and then now it appears it's on the cusp of another shift in identifying where the racism actually comes from and a focus on economics and anti-imperialism.

sorry lmao

Damn, I keep forgetting shit.

I think now it's mostly just for jokes, aesthetic posts, and "fandom" blogging with some political commentary thrown in every now and then, and it's getting more frequent after a lull and further left than it was even just 2 years ago.

OP if you're still doing this: follow a bunch of the radical leftist blogs on tumblr and reblog their stuff if it isn't too liberal. Once you get a feel for the kind of memes tumblr likes, push the envelope as far as it'll go.

edwad is another popular leftist blog, I think

this person knows what they're talking about

Haha, kill yourself my lads!

The Alt-Right exist because of SJWs fighting battles that they've dreamt up, defending groups that are only being attacked in their minds, i.e. idpol.

Combating idpol does not make you alt-right, although they do it too, because idpol was the catalyst that created them.

If you reply pretending not to know what I'm talking about again I'll assume (rightly) that you're being deliberately retarded to cause division as some sort of epic ruse, i.e. wasting the time of yourself and others on the internet. You've already received far more responses than you deserve considered we're spoonfeeding you the original statement repeatedly because of your lack of reading comprehension.

I'd hope so. I didn't waste 4 years of my life on that site for nothing.

OP, if you're still around, change your theme. Go pick up the original redux HTML from pastebin and make some tweaks as you see fit. It's in-style again for casual, "with-it" people and is maybe the simplest theme to actually work with and make it look presentable. And ask me or if you want to know anything else about navigating Tumblr.

make shitloads of posts advocating genocide, rape, murder, cannibalism, pedophilia and necrophilia, and when someone accuses you of being insensitive or offense, use sjw tactics against them.

OP here, I'm not dead, just reading through all this stuff and thinking about what to do

will be posting with this flag from now on to identify myself

this is very much appreciated, thank you

I already have my own real tumblr (with 600 followers tyvmf) so I am fairly familiar with the culture, but I tend not to interact with most users outside of my small "clique" - we've been fairly insular for a while, so I haven't really been deep into mainstream tumblr culture since 2013-14

see shit like this is what pisses me off about tumblr - they're fine to go along with anti-capitalist rhetoric, but expose them to real socialist ideas and they recoil in horror

they're all reactionaries at heart, who only buy into the anticap aesthetic because it's edgy and snowflakey