Mail-in-a-Box or ProtonMail

Hudson Roberts
Hudson Roberts

Which is it, Holla Forums? Rolling your own server, or using a paid mail provider that encrypts all your mail with PGP?

I currently run a Mail-in-a-Box server, but I'm thinking about scrapping it and moving to ProtonMail instead. I think I trust their infrastructure more than a VPS spooled up on DigitalOcean, but I'd like second opinions.

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mail2tor2zyjdctd.onion/
archive.is/HzUBX
q62wozmddwxija2p.onion/computer/Linux_E-mail_2e_2009_Haycox_et_al.pdf
q62wozmddwxija2p.onion/computer/
vivaldi.net/en-US/terms-of-use

Kevin Roberts
Kevin Roberts

not just using pic related

Jack Foster
Jack Foster

Protonmail goes through Israel, user.

Julian Wright
Julian Wright

They do have a FAQ about that actually.
protonmail.com/support/knowledge-base/protonmail-israel-radware/

Chase Flores
Chase Flores

protonmail is fine for throwaways as long as you accept that they route their data through israel for "ddos protection"

Connor Evans
Connor Evans

Either Vivaldi webmail or host your own

Ryder Thompson
Ryder Thompson

Protonmail is shit, they don't use pgp and don't let you use IMAP, cock is probably the best ffs.

Dominic Wright
Dominic Wright

Tutanota for throwaway account
Outlook/Gmail/Yandex etc ONLY with pgp/gpg encryption.

Ayden Morris
Ayden Morris

Many, many reasons not to use Protonmail.

Mail in a Box is managed by some cuck named Josh Trabenhaur or some shit and he's a super lib piece of shit.

iRedMail is nice and is managed by a chinese guy who just wants American money.

Cameron Scott
Cameron Scott

Mail in a Box is managed by some cuck named Josh Trabenhaur or some shit and he's a super lib piece of shit.
You could describe Richard Stallman that way. Do you have any technological argument against it, or a more specific reason that guy is untrustworthy than "I don't like his politics"?

Brandon Clark
Brandon Clark

Mail in a Box is managed by some cuck named Josh Trabenhaur or some shit and he's a super lib piece of shit.
Looks like I might just roll my own custom mail server.

Wyatt Harris
Wyatt Harris

mail2tor2zyjdctd.onion/
-webmail works without javascript
-supports both IMAP/SMTP and webmail
-Tor allowed and required
-can create mailbox in 30 seconds

/thread

ProtonMail is a botnet, it requires javascript, and also it only needs to one time send you modified code to steal your password to decrypt your mails

Cockmail - shitty, limits account creation, cannot have many throwaways

Nolan Martinez
Nolan Martinez

I'm not looking for a throwaway provider though, I'm moving all my personal e-mails to my own domain, off Gmail, and wondering whether it's best to stick with Mail-in-a-Box, move to ProtonMail, or potentially just homebrew my own version of Mail-in-a-Box. Use the same software he uses, just manually configure it all myself.

Ian Martin
Ian Martin

Yeah uhhh I think I'll stop using it.
I had my suspicions looking at this loading screen but now I'm just done.

Oliver Ortiz
Oliver Ortiz

You can have many throwaways within one account on Cockmail

[email protected]

Anything after dot and it still gets delivered to you

Nolan Martin
Nolan Martin

tfw all Swiss-based dedicated servers are upwards of $150/month

Liam Ward
Liam Ward

$150 for a dedi is cheap even in the US.

Juan Lee
Juan Lee

protonmail is trash. what the fuck is mail-in-a-box. if i need to use the cancer that is e-mail i use cock.li. everything else has all kinds of (((UX))) and (((security))) in place. for example you cant even sign up to protonmail without doing 1 of:
1) donation
2) provide already existing email for verification
3) provide SMS for verification

while option 2 defeats the whole point of using their service, maybe you really want protonmail for some reason. however option 2 is often not even available depending on your IP address and time of day. i cant imagine what other bullshit you have to putup with once you actually get past the reg and start using protonmail. i imagine it tells you you're insecure like gmail every 5 minutes and threatens to lock you out of your account because you changed IPs too many times and haven't provided your SSN

Xavier Perez
Xavier Perez

what other bullshit you have to putup with
my favorite one: there are no smtp/imap/pop details. you use their webmail or you eat the poopoo.

Carson Bailey
Carson Bailey

provide already existing email for verification
use a fucking mailinator or whatever

There's a reason for that. POP/IMAP would require them to be able to decode your mail. The whole point of ProtonMail is that they can't do that - everything's stored encrypted and all the keys and encryption are handled client-side in the webapp.
Having said that, it would be nice if they provided a ProtonMail client / IMAP server program that you could run locally.

Samuel Evans
Samuel Evans

It can obviously decrypt your email because you're not having to supply a PGP key to view the content. It's a pseudo-privacy. IMAPS and POP3S exist, but they're not specced for whatever reason, probably because everyone gave up on email standards in favor of Gmail.

Nicholas Cooper
Nicholas Cooper

You don't get it. Your password is the key. It never leaves your machine, all the cryptography is done on your computer by the JavaScript webapp.

Christopher Gomez
Christopher Gomez

ProtonMail will disable your email account if they receive a complaint from an @google.com email address or a law enforcement official in any country asking that they do. Considering [email protected] has recently been harassing the Kiwi Farm's email server host, it's not smart to put your chips in something that pussy.

Cameron Foster
Cameron Foster

I'm paying $15 a month for a dedicated box at the moment.

Luke Campbell
Luke Campbell

RTO or what? There's no way someone is selling you a full 1U bare metal for $15/mo.

Dylan Thomas
Dylan Thomas

Online.net. There's plenty of places in Europe that offer cheap bare metal.

David Butler
David Butler

OVH/Kimsufi too.

Isaiah Collins
Isaiah Collins

startmail?

James Carter
James Carter

Netherlands is part of the Nine Eyes.

Brandon Lee
Brandon Lee

9€/month for a dual-core Atom dedicated server
interdasting...

It's most likely a blade rather than a full 1U.

Gavin Murphy
Gavin Murphy

Stallman may be a bleeding heart liberal Jew but he he'll give everyone a fair shake. Trabenhaur is a living stereotype of a libshit.

Brayden Carter
Brayden Carter

Mail in a Box is nothing but a collection of shell scripts and .rcs from what I've seen.

If the software used is otherwise sound what's wrong with using it as a base for your own mail server?

Jose Murphy
Jose Murphy

Neomailbox is the best option.

Isaac Ortiz
Isaac Ortiz

Qual é o mais seguro?

Carson Reed
Carson Reed

I'm not looking for a throwaway provider though
it's not throwaway provider. They won't delete your emails or account. You can trust mail2tor

You can have many throwaways within one account on Cockmail
[email protected]
Anything after dot and it still gets delivered to you
If you do so, cockmail will know/link all your throwaways with each other (it's one account after all).
True throwaways are to be made with different identity and tor node, are not linked to each other.

There's a reason for that. POP/IMAP would require them to be able to decode your mail. The whole point of ProtonMail is that they can't do that - everything's stored encrypted and all the keys and encryption are handled client-side in the webapp.
You don't get it. Your password is the key. It never leaves your machine, all the cryptography is done on your computer by the JavaScript webapp.

Of course they can decrypt your box. It's very simple. One time when you open protonmail, they will send you special javascript code, that will send your mailbox password to them. Since you won't be analyzing 1000 lines of their javascript code every time you visit their page, you will never know it when they did it.
Also protonmail even without your password knows 99% of your mails, since 99% of your mails will come outside protonmail (unencrypted).
And also now protonmail requires SMS verification. Protonmail is made by FBI and CIA. It's a honeypot.

Henry Campbell
Henry Campbell

ProtonMail
Hosted in retired military bunkers
That makes extra safe right?

Samuel Gray
Samuel Gray

Many, many reasons not to use
doesn't list a single one

Ian Rogers
Ian Rogers

Hosted in retired military bunkers
This. Protonmeme is provably meme status just from this statement alone. I made the mistake of trying out their service and it was unsurprisingly shit.

Julian Williams
Julian Williams

I would like to create a secure email account but I am still in doubt ... is protonmail the best option?

Brandon Ross
Brandon Ross

You want secure? Host it yourself.

Dylan Morris
Dylan Morris

There's caveats to this.
Rent a VM/Dedicated machine? You have to trust the provider.
Host it locally? You're going to need your ISPs consumer level support to understand what a PTR is, and hope his manager doesn't decide to just make your call go away by trying to charge you a $50 setup fee and an ongoing $20/month for it.

Camden Cooper
Camden Cooper

I understand this. I was just trying to convey that total security is impossible and to get as close to that as one possible can would be to set things up yourself.

Jonathan Butler
Jonathan Butler

Protonmail doesn't respect speech...

archive.is/HzUBX

Sebastian Ortiz
Sebastian Ortiz

It is a bit more concerning they even monitor who is signing up for what and possibly the contents of the emails from that.

Benjamin Adams
Benjamin Adams

Agent Fud *really* doesn't want you to use Protonmail. I wonder why? He's been working overtime here to convince you not to use it. Just like the Tor threads.

Jaxon Lee
Jaxon Lee

q62wozmddwxija2p.onion/computer/Linux_E-mail_2e_2009_Haycox_et_al.pdf

Jeremiah Hernandez
Jeremiah Hernandez

q62wozmddwxija2p.onion/computer/
Decent directory, user.

Mason Sanchez
Mason Sanchez

When his politics dictate that he can fuck me over without guilt or repercussions, then yes "I don't like his politics" is a valid criteria for judging a host's worth.

Adrian Johnson
Adrian Johnson

I'm building an encrypted mail service that'll use PGP encryption for full encryption of emails.
Also will be logless and privacy friendly like with all my services

Angel Richardson
Angel Richardson

privacy friendly
not private by default
DROPPED

Michael Nguyen
Michael Nguyen

Well it will be private by default.
It's still in early works and I'll probably shill it on Holla Forums once it's ready.
Will be free software as well.

Luis Thomas
Luis Thomas

Do they? Can you show me an example? Not doubting you, just verifying.
Because like I said, Stallman is leftist as hell, but he would absolutely defend freedom of speech and thought. If someone is a "lib piece of shit" that doesn't necessarily mean they're untrustworthy, even though it could.

Jayden Reed
Jayden Reed

That fucking comic.

Jaxon Brooks
Jaxon Brooks

Jabber with tor +OTR and PGP is the most secure version out there.

But tbh you can use any email provider (even googkucks) if using PGP.

Ryder Collins
Ryder Collins

Which is it, Holla Forums? Rolling your own server, or using a paid mail provider that encrypts all your mail with PGP?
paying for e-mail
neither, you fucking nigtard

Aaron White
Aaron White

mail2tor2zyjdctd.onion/
/thread

Jason Rivera
Jason Rivera

Thanks, will try. How many spam filter droppes their mails?
Is their source code available? What do they use?

they don't use pgp
Kek you stupid fuck. You are the one who have to use PGP, not the service provider.

full encryption
email
not possible

privacy friendly
email
not possible

logless
email
unless you own all the SMTP servers in the world, not possible

Josiah King
Josiah King

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