A pitch to all those who are still on the fence about NatSoc

Pretty weak sales pitch tbqh comrade, far too vague. Our nations have been taken over and we need concrete countermeasures.

nationalactionlondon.files.wordpress.com/2015/06/vladimir-open-letter-to-the-white-man.pdf

Read this m8, great entry tier piece and if nothing else you'll get great talk points.

C U C K

I didn't know we were race-blind, jew-loving civic cuckolds.

That appeal was for the people with noble aryan spirits. Most don't see it this way OP.

Sadly this is the truth. Honor and beauty are things the civic scum laughs at.

Nazi swastikas are supposed to be right leaning and turned 45 degrees. That aside, we are not a 'Trump board', but we have collectively agreed upon Trump to be our next wise chess move. Trump winning does good things for us, though he is not the end of the road, merely the beginning.

I'm an autist with no friends, but I want to join the invite-only TRS forum. Can an user hook me up?

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Where did all these cucks crawl out from?

I agree. They contribute nothing except another angle for kikes to maintain control. They're basically small gubment cuckservatives that smoke weed. Degenerates, all of them.

It's called TOR, you colossal faggot

Desperate attempts to create a false census. Just tell them to host a live poll. Then they will just scurry like rats.

I did not need platitudes to find my way or convince me of anything. That happens to be why I'm more genuine and I don't fancy the idea of surrounding myself with disingenuous people who will be torn asunder by the rotating Swastika anyway.

Afraid of a little change?

Nah. He is like me and most people here. Holla Forums really HATES lies.

4chan, trs, ctr.

Thank you for correcting the record

Stupid dumb Nazi scum
Pol is libertarian again!
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No shit, Sherlock.

Then why are you saging?

You are welcome to make a live census.

Before newfag cancer anyway.

Please explain what it is, then?

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Explain to me how in this day and age a national socialist society could work, because I sincerely doubt it could.

Really, I'm curious how you would be able to account for modern day culture and the fact that everyone appears to be either hyperfocused on career endeavors or endless self-pleasure.

Reported for sliding with a pointless blogpost. Gee OP, I wonder why you're on tor. Banned lately? :^)

Fascism has nothing to do with capitalism OR socialism
Only fascism actually puts the people first. Occupy Wall Street got it wrong by trying to be some socialist movement, Tea Party got it wrong by trying to be some libertarian movement. Both were easily co-opted by the establishment precisely because they didn't put the nation first - they put materialism first. Both initially presented themselves as being "for the people", but that doesn't matter when the basis of their ideology was never being "for the people", their founding axioms were entirely materialistic. Make no mistake, only fascism gives any value to the well-being of the people, capitalism and communism on the other hand worship money.

It is not a natural state of people. Once this faux economy comes crashing or when the JewSA finally starts a war with their freedumb friends, people will have to be realistic again.

You're right, it's not a natural state, yet the vast majority of people are engaging in life in that way.

Us posting here isn't natural, yet here we are. But you mentioned a future "crashing down," which I am inclined to believe as well.

Society is always changing dipshit.

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hollaforums.com/thread/7787747/politics/a-pitch-to-all-those-who-are-still-on-the-fence.html

wtf is this shit a thread made from all bots?

No,

99% of people have been tricked by Kikes, but a majority would surely hop on board the NatSoc train if they knew the truth. Could you blame a blind man for calling an elephant a giraffe, if he was lied to his entire life?

Maybe not for the american mongrels, but Europe is at a breaking point.
Your "crash" will be something different. A lot more painful. Your values will be taken away.

I am on the fence between natsoc and monarchy.

Leaning strongly towards monarchy.

Convince me otherwise

fuck off kike

I don't know about OP but I understand full well that a world needs to be destroyed for a better one to emerge from it, like the bird bursting out of the egg. That is the direction things are headed whether you like it or not.

And does it look like the majority of people are "changing" to becoming more virtuous? Not from what I see, dipshit.

Natsoc is pretty much just modern, rehashed tribalism. Monarchy is pretty cool if you're born an inbred royal.

Nah. There is no reason we cant be neighbors. You seem to think that Im against monarchy.

Hitler said it, not me. And frankly, after what happened, Im not inclined to contradict the man himself.

It's darkest before the dawn.

sauce or gtfo

me

checking again and everyone of the first responses that have the same message are (1)s or (2)s responding to the others

YALL NIGGAS POSTING IN A BOT THREAD

How is that any different from from the early 1900 period?

The only major difference is that we have way fewer men today and way more beta and that's because the west didn't face any kind of big conflict for a long time.

Not the best at convincing people are you mate?

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Julius Evola on America:

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Because unlike the early 1900s, we have a lot more stimulation we're taking in, unless you live in an extremely rural area.

You and I both know the majority of men today would not be able to handle conflict of any sort. As you stated, "way more beta."

I used to be a lolberg too, then I realized Libertarianism holds people to a Utopian standard that is quite simply not feasible. Anarchism and true Communism (I.E small homogeneous communes) will never truly work, because they have no means of defending against external threats. They will always capitulate no matter how noble they believe their ideals are. In order to survive you must make yourself strong. But even then we must accept that there are limits in all things.
I quite simply think National Socialism is the best possible system. I arrived to it in fragments while looking out at the world and in myself, and I realized cooperatism is key to all societies, and any society that does not uphold common ideals can never last.

fucking kill yourself chaim

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Evola is a such a homosexual kike. Nigger-Jew music that Europeans love to play in the clubs isn't white culture in America. Get a fucking passport.

His entire philosophy is no better than any druggy fucktard with bad research you can find on youtube.

Esotercism was always a cancer brought in by mongrel idealogies

Pour la bonne bouche, we will conclude with a significant statement by a far from superficial American author, James Burnham (in The Struggle for the World): “There is in American life a strain of callow brutality. This betrays itself no less in the lynching and gangsterism at home than in the arrogance and hooliganism of soldiers or tourists abroad. The provincialism of the American mind expresses itself in a lack of sensitivity toward other peoples and other cultures. There is in many Americans an ignorant contempt for ideas and tradition and history, a complacency with the trifles of merely material triumph. Who, listening a few hours to the American radio, could repress a shudder if he thought that the price of survival [of a non-communist society] would be the Americanization of the world?” And unfortunately, to a certain extent, this is already happening.

No one claimed that American negro-jew culture hasn't affected Europe too

At this point nothing but a full scale global collapse will stop us from the path of self destruction we are on.

Technology promised to make us Gods and human efficiency went up by thousands of percent - and yet we work longer hours than serfs in the dark ages.

Withdraw your energies from the system. Help others do the same. Get fit, learn to farm/hunt, become self sufficient, sell all of your consumerist shit, move out of the city, teach others.

Without willing white taxpaying slaves to pay for Jamal's food stamps and shaniqua's iphones, the system will eventually starve itself and die, along with all of the leeches it was supporting.

The toll on our people will be great, but it is our only hope. From the chaos will arise a new order. We will be that order.

For all you shills saying "Americanism is anti-National-Sociaism

It's not American. And they did claim it by omission.

In all likelihood, people will just blend into each other racially as they will depend on each other to survive.

See Clovis Culture and white DNA

Another interesting thing to note, is the fact that Lincoln actually dabbled in almost exactly the same economic system that Hitler did.
Lincolns Greenbacks operated on the same principle as the NSDAPs issued currency. This allowed Lincoln to finance the war without bankrupting the north, and was supposed to help allow reconstruction of the south.
And of course ol' John Wilks (((Booth))) was related to a prominent banking family
All the major banking families were pretty much Jewish after waterloo.

I aspire to greatness too OP. But I'm not so myopic as to dismiss the vast majority of the human race as simply the 'masses', as an amorphous collective whose only purpose is to be actively shaped by others

No, human beings are inherently valuable as individuals. Elevating your self perception above others like this only hinders you in any goals you might have for reaching for the stars. It betrays a fundamental lack of understanding, empathy, and genuine love for other people. You treat these 'masses' as tools of your ideology, as a means to fulfill whatever vision you may have. The irony is is that your perceived sense of superiority is unwarranted. You imagine yourself to be amongst the few better than the rest, but this view is unfalsfiable, to you it is simply axiomaticz

The government enables people to live as human cattle with no purpose, hopping from welfare check to welfare check. Why do we need Hitler 2.0 to elevate these people when we can forgo government entirely and leave them behind?

Individuals cannot govern themselves.
Coordinated and aligned groups will always conquer decentralized and uncoordinated groups.
If you've ever played a game where players can form secret alliances this becomes a 101 lesson.
When you create a power vacuum something MUST occupy it.
The point of National Socialism is to accept the necessity of government while trying to actively ensure that corruption does not form.

Nice post

Holla Forums is a Zeonic board
including all of the variants of Zeon ideology applied to the real world

except I'm not wrong.

Julius Evola was a fucking cuck who sucked off the savage injuns as a "proud race".

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The kinds who pretend our shit doesn't smell are as deluded as the ones who think only our shit smells.

Hitler was the ultimate shill. Eugenics was at it's peek, then he vilified it to the point it cascaded in the current multicultural mess.

I stand corrected, THAT is the dumbest thing I've read today.

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8/pol/ has always been a natsoc board. You're welcome to go back to your "neutral" cuck/pol/.

The jewish gay drug addict strike again!

I'd love to see a NatSoc vs NatCap debate.

on the contrary. Viewing ones-self as superior is a side effect of striving towards greatness and doing what others will not.

There will always be government. There will always be the weak, and the strong.

National Socialism has lots of values you would normally attribute you capitalism.
National Capitalism is a laughable title because true unrestricted Capitalism itself is antithetical to national values.
For example the use of tariffs and regulation of external trade.
It would not be very Nationalistic to allow private entities to sell off your countries natural resources en masse, as Hillary is trying to do to the US Uranium supplies.

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trips confirm that National Socialism is not for export

I agree with NatSoc on all things, but I'm confused about their policies on the economy and individual liberty. Assuming we get an all white country ever, as an Ameriburger, I think a NatSoc government would have a american twist.

It would, as it would in any country it's implemented, if you are copying the NSDAP 1:1 you are doing it wrong unless you are Germanic.

Precisely right. Superiority complexes are the anecdote to the bystander effect. The anecdote to diffusion of responsibility.

Germanic in the 1930s. The NSDAP were a product of their particular circumstances. Anybody who wants to follow in their footsteps must be cognizant of that, and tailor their movement to their particular circumstances.

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Glemy Toto did nothing wrong

he mass produced smug anime girls for everyone

Most of you might want to head over to >>>/politics/
vid related

You know, on 8/pol/ a lot people actually read hundreds, even thousands of pages, before they post. I suggest you do the same, so you dont need to ask unnecessary questions.

NatSoc isnt about political policies, its a away thinking and a weltanschauung.

Policies are supposed to stem from that thinking, we can safely assume we mean both when referring to National Socialism.

THIS! FUCKING THIS! This 4cuck invasion will be the end of 8/pol/ and this thread is the proof of that. If mods doesnt start banning people soon this place will go down the drain.

You do know that the Holla Forums exodus happened precisely because people were being banned for having these views? Fuck off shillfag.

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Nationalist on the fence about natsoc here.
There's things I admire, sure. But there's things to criticize.
I'd prefer som sort of 50/50 democracy/monarchy with some ethnonationalism, cultural belonging, and loyalty.

Your reply is a non argument and means nothing to me.
Actions are thoughts put into reality and conversely actions are reality put into our thoughts.
National Socialism without eliciting policy is a pointless exercise.

They only had Gun Control for the communist Jews that were also trying to take away the guns from everyone.
It's not true socialism, it's roots are more closely related to Prussian Socialism which is not socialism at all and Ottoman Imperial theory.
And as far as censorship goes its the same as it was for taking guns away from the communist Jews.
You don't let an enemy subvert you and you certainly don't let them start a civil war in your country like they had tried already in Germany.

Nigger, they only disarmed the people who were trying to overthrow the German Reich. See German civil war of 1918 to learn (((who))) specifically that was.

Idiot.

You dont fucking get it do you.

Again this is a non-response, if you mean something you need to say it, I know you posted a picture of Rosenberg, but you are just being pedantic at this point.

1.Socialism in Natsoc is not exactly economic socialism, it is more a sort of spiritual socialismj shared between those of the same ethnic group.

2.Natsoc actualy REARMED the people, the only people not allowed to posses weapons were jews and suspected bolsheviks, pretty much anyone could purchase and utilize guns.

3.As for the third point, there is no two ways about it, censorship to a certain degree is necessary to get the press in line, otherwise we get what is happening to the media today.

Life is made of simple choices, not easy ones.

I did but you didnt get it. Read your previous posts.
No fucking shit, that was the whole point.

I welcome a discussion, and I'm hoping you will give me one instead of being a schizophrenic faggot.

I'll have to look into that

I don't know, anons. Maybe I'll change my mind over time. For now I'm just considering myself a nationalist above all.
Good night

No thanks, shlomo. You'll have to work for those shekels like every other shill.

Goodnight user

Makes perfect sense…

Were you dropped on your head or something? Of course you need to read your own posts to understand where im coming from.

That's what makes you a kike. I'm sure you and other shills like you are only going to increase in number as we get closer to the election. I'll enjoy your mass suicide when Hillary gets destroyed by the Don as well.

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I'm just going to slowly back away since you seem to think I'm psychic.
It would be more constructive at this point if you called me a stupid faggot and told me to re-read Rosenberg.

Saying Holla Forums is something is just as valid as saying Holla Forums isn't something. Groups are defined by their majority.
Make a thread with a poll and see how it turns out faggot.

It's like you're already aware of what you are. They must not have given you a good enough brief when they sent you out to shill Mongolian cartoon boards.

Okay so tell me what Political ideology do you ascribe to oh 'non-shill one'?

It started out with d66de4 and then it went on with you and 5a51c3. You dont need to be psychic to read a handful of posts.

This is true. If you're not NatSoc by now, you shouldn't be welcome on Holla Forums. (Or anywhere else, really)
Anyone who says otherwise is massive faggot, plz raep their face. Any other position is pure divide & conquer shilling, eg. "Holla Forums is a christcuck board!" (No, it fucking isn't, and christcucks will swing on the day of the rope for their traitorous refusal to defend and protect the wider community with all their cucked 'niggers and jews deserve respect' bullshit.)
Yes, but we do not engage in gluttony, laziness, purposeless make-work or sexual deviancy.

This is also true. If you're not supporting Trump, you too will swing on the day of the rope. Trump is, of course, also a National Socialist. He simply has not yet revealed his power level.

This thread doesn't look like it's been destroyed with infighting yet, so I'll make some comments

While I understand the first part of this point, if you are saying that Natsoc is just a philosophy and does not collect specific policies, then how are you supposed to define it specifically as opposed to any other form of nationalism? How do you determine that a pre-Federal Reserve nationalist America is not in fact National Socialism?

My other concern with National Socialism, is what is the metric you use in order to determine you have succeeded? Your typical socialist will use the lack of metrics to determine what socialism is or is not simply with a label, then will deny said label as soon as the government they labeled socialist falls apart.

I don't want to be too presumptuous, so I will just keep it at that and see what the responses say.

I agree with you on everything else, but if you believe this, then you're a fucking retard.

You are being legitimately autistic, I read all of that and I have no fucking clue as to what the goddamn you are trying to say. It's insane to assume others can plainly see the film playing in your head.
Stop being a pedantic ass.

Relax, cuckchan doesnt like political discussion, after the election they will leave.

Then I consider a loss that i didnt get my the obvious point across and see no point in continuing the conversation.

Nothing of value, non-conversation, non-argument waste of time.

There is no need to be upset, gentlemen.

We need to update this in light of developments.

oh shit hit him with the not an argument.

If you could point one out to me I'd be grateful.

I'm just dissapointed tbh

Policies stems from the firstly the spiritual foundation and then the material foundation. Both these are dependet on the zeitgeist and the race.
It's materialist and lack any myth.
I have no idea what you are asking.

To summarize what I am generally asking is: how do you prove you have achieved a Natsoc government and society? How do you know it is Natsoc and not something else?

Its more organic and flexible than most political ideologies,The center is the critical assessment of the reallity and the search of pragmatic solution, the balance between autonomy,accountability and effective wielding of political power in a industrialized society, a testament of this is the restoration of the weimar republic (failed democratic state) This is the legacy of the NSDAP and the national socialists

For example, I can prove whether a country is or is not ethnically nationalist with the following metrics:
-Racial Homogeneity
-Trade Policies
-Immigration policies

I want to know what your metrics are for Natsoc.

Let's take fascism for example, which is undoubtedly nationalist yet differs from National Socialism with (among other things of course) the idea that the state is the focal point "All within the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state" - Benito Mussolini As opposed to "The state is a means to an end. Its end lies in the preservation and advancement of a community of physically and psychically homogeneous creatures."

You're going to have to give me something more to go off on. I'm only left assuming things like they would probably still be good goys for democracy among other things.

Cleansing of degenerate elements especially in regards to those that risk damaging the nuclear family, a nation that is, if not entirely, as self sufficient as possible, class collaboration.

NatSoc? More like NEETSoc from what I've seen.

But it has to have some parameters to define itself or then anything can be called Natsoc. What are they?

I've literally read a speech by Chairman Mao (no I have never been a Communist or Socialist of any kind) using that kind of rhetoric. Just because you say you are for all the nice things people want to hear about a form of government does in no way actually prove that you can accomplish them.

And where do you strike that balance? How do you test that balance has been achieved? What tools are used to recalibrate and rebalance an imbalanced wielding of political power? This is why I have yet to call myself a Natsoc is because you guys love to get incredibly vague.

I will grant you this was a temporary success, however several critical mistakes were made because Hitler was getting too involved in the specific details of warfare policy and dictating details from the top, instead of allowing his much more qualified officers dictate policy. If you would like specifics, I am talking about allowing 3 days for the allies to retreat at Dunkirk, the push to capture Leningrad instead of capturing Moscow before getting caught in the Russian winter, and the long delays in the adoption of the STG-44, arguably the first modern assault rifle.

Autarky
National unity aka gemeinschaft
Racial purity
Office-holding and such according to character or abilities
Abolition of unearned (work and labour) incomes.
Breaking apart with the materialistic world-order.

You should read the books and texts yourself honestly. You will never get the full understanding by reading threads on a mongolian goat milking forum.

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Using yourself as a reference doesn't count :^)

Most of this is just simply wrong so i wouldnt even bother with that.

To keep it short. The people is the focus of NatSoc. And what is best for the people depends on the race, geograpical position, zeitgeist and so on. That's why it's so fluid. I dont know the exact quote put Hitler says in MK that natsoc is folk and fatherland.

Jung said it best actually. to paraphrase from memory "Who truly knows that history is not written in books, but in blood."

Are you an idiot?, Read history,the principal and foremost objetive the national socialist is the prosperity of their people, nothing else is the metric and it should always be posible to improve.

Carl Schmitt wrote extensively about the effective wielding of political power, Feder researched the posibility of nationalisation of the banks, Hjalmar Schacht made great bilateral trade agreement with south america and researched if it was possible to implement Autarky on the Third Reich.

Read about the restoration about the weimar republic, it wasnt a dogmatic and rigid political ideology that made that possible but the work of many brillant with anational socialist philosophy and values that enabled the take of so many good decision. The economy lasted very long even with a war and the standards of life were way higher that what you could expect considering the decadence of the old weimar republic, They managed to make a economy without hyperinflation in less than a decade and their economic model lasted quite a bit despite the war..

*many brillant minds with national socialist philosophy and values as guide.

Quality post.

Politics is history in the making. History itself is the presentation of the course of a Folk's struggle for existence and the daily bread.

What if I'm not white?

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So much this.

The essence of natsoc can be applied to every people. It will not look like 1930/40 germany but the spirit is still there.

except the jew

They technically can, but their culture demands internationalist policies, the Jew would have to be extremely reformed or entirely cut off from the world I.E. Madagascar

Since you are on Holla Forums, you surely understand the power of propaganda. You see what the media kikes have done to the American population for generations. You see what they are doing during this election.

Why should this be tolerated? Why should we tolerate their lies and deceit?

I must be autistic. I stared at OPs embed link and was wondering what the fuck I was looking at. I thought the white part was raised and the charcoal gray was inset.

Ok, but how does Fascism differ from Natsoc if it succeeds in achieving Natsoc's goal? if the state preserves and advances the community within a Fascist government, then how does it defy the definition?

that's the problem. I'm asking you how you define pre-Federal Reserve nationalist America as not Natsoc. It may or may not be Natsoc, but how do you determine such a judgement?

Ok, this is a good start. So let me ask you the following:

If the US culture changes to accept those things without completely destroying the Constitution, is it Natsoc, or not?

Again, it's the same problem, you are choosing to use vagueness to define something. This is why I have a problem with people calling themselves Natsoc. "It Depends" is frankly effeminate and fails to advance anything. You want to tell me why I should be a goddamn Natsoc, then tell me why, faggot. Since we love to talk about red pills then let me borrow something else from the Matrix
Stop trying to hit me, and hit me!

This is better. I'll respond with questions for you in a moment.

But that's a platitude, not a metric. Let me ask you a question, if I could give everyone a million dollar a year salary without the economy falling apart due to inflation, would that be Natsoc?

No. You want to pitch Natsoc to me, pitch Natsoc to me, don't run away and hide behind "go read a bunch of books like I want you to" like every other asshole with an opinion. I know the general history of Weimar, and I know how the Third Reich ended. I don't know what exactly you mean by Natsoc, nor how you determine when something is or is not Natsoc. If you need specifics then What does a Natsoc government look like in 21st century America? How do you determine you have succeeded in making America Natsoc?

Probably not, but I would consider electing him to be a tactical victory.

What makes Greenbacks any different from regular fiat?

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Issued by the state and not an international bank. Fiat is fiat, but can be good or bad depending on how you use it. Fiat based on itself is good whereas fiat based on finite materials or debt is bad.

Alright, so I have no problem with Autarky. I think we all understand how to measure that, right?
How is national unity determined? For example, is Southern identity in the US in opposition to national unity?
Is this merely in opposition to non-whites in a white country, or are we talking about dysgenics as well?
How do you ensure this happens? For example, in the US, I would put Michael Schauer as head of the CIA because I believe he is the most qualified man for the job. What if he doesn't like me and my government for other policies?
I'm not opposed generally, but does this include or not include charity?
How do you measure this? Furthermore, how do you achieve it while still making sure you aren't hurting your society in the process?

Yea I get that but this board really turns it up a notch on the hate machine from time to time. It's pretty weird being a shitskin and supporting Trump, but we really do have to go back and fix our countries instead of getting all cultures involved completely fucked

sure kid.
It woudnt as, you dont understand that NatSoc is a Spiritual ideology more than a political ideology, a metric like prosperity for example would manifest different in NatSoc state compared to a Fascist state. and come on kid , you went and did a comparation between Mao and the Third Reich because you clearly didnt know about Carl Schmitt, one of the most influent people on political theory, legal theory, continental philosophy and political theology in the last 100 years you are not fooling anybody .

If you do not promote total white supremacy then you are still influenced by kike egalitarian propaganda.

You need to stop thinking in terms of the next day or next year and start thinking in terms of centuries.
You cant achieve the natsoc "goal". Life is an eternal struggle and you will die sooner or later. The strive for perfection has no end.
The US can never be a natsoc state.
Fancy book by intellectuals and fancy paper is not going to do shit. Like i said life is an eternal struggle and you never know what is around the corner. By using intellectual and parlametary methoed will only lead to disaster.
You need to let go of your materialistic way of thinking. If you are new to all this (which it's it seems) go read the basic books first >>>/pdfs/ . Its really hard to talk with you if you dont have the basic foundation.

I think answers most of your questions.

The Schmitt whole schmitt thing is kinda funny. Every book of his need to have an equal length of (((forewords))) and (((notes))) just like the latest MK. They are so butt hurt that he was with the nsdap and that he btfo's liberal, culture marxism etc.

NatSoc won't work in today's world.

NatLib is the only option.
Small government, save that which is needed to defend borders, defend culture, and defend the white race.

Don't be a fool. The fact that we are biologically superior doesn't erase the existence of potential that every race has to improve society and be part of the wheel of human evolution, nor the fact that whites can fall as low as any low life nigger and be part of the cancer of this world.

Well, for one thing, Fascism as it was originally conceived wasn't explicitly racist or antisemitic (many who call themselves fascist today still abide by this) so the thought of them achieving the same goals is pretty much out the window.

Again, this right off the bat goes back to race, several leading fascists were jews. The conference of European fascists during Mussolini's time was greatly divided on the issue of jews and race.

I gave you one example, Democracy and i would also add the use of slave labor and in particular white slavery/indentured slavery.

That would depend on at what point you would consider it "destroyed" we could certainly could make some gains through amendments but the very idea of a representative democracy or democracy of any kind would essentially cease to exist as would the power of congress generally speaking.

By that you just mean "in today's America". There are many nations in which it could be applied. But your mistake is in assuming America can actually be saved. We're at the end of our 250 years. Baring a Julius Caesar type figure, we're well and truly fucked. NatSoc won't save America, but neither will NatLib. We've reached the end of our natural empire life-cycle.

Trump is clearly trying to posture himself as a Julius Caesar figure. I don't think he can pull it off, but I'm willing to let him try.

I never assumed America could be saved.
Part of me wants Hillary to "Win" because then we can have a revolution.
If Trump wins we have to watch him get assassinated or Congress block him on everything he wants to do for 4 years.

With this guy e0a314 maybe you see what i meant with my post.

I made a comparison between Mao and Natsoc because you are throwing platitudes at me. Common platitudes that many politicians and political philosophers love to claim ownership over.
This isn't about you. You are an anonymous poster on Holla Forums. You want this board to be a Natsoc board, then you need to make it a Natsoc board. Stop evading me. If you can't answer my questions, then it's clear you either aren't Natsoc, or Natsoc is nothing to be proud of.

Aside from making assumptions about me, you need to be able to connect the relevance of centuries to days or else your ideology will die from being out of touch with the human experience.

But perfection is a goal. You are either contradicting yourself, or making assumptions about goals being purely temporary.

And yet I have had several recommendations to read fancy books by intellectuals instead of actually explaining their position. See the hypocrisy?

And you missed the point. I asked the question to show you that you didn't define prosperity effectively. You can't just assume everyone knows what prosperity means. If you want to define what you mean by prosperity, please do. Furthermore, tell me how you would gauge it, especially if it is immaterial.

I'd like you to either answer the questions directly, or attempt to merge your more concrete policies to your philosophical ones.

This is good. You are helping me understand things a bit more clearly. But let me ask, if a Fascist government were to incorporate antisemitism and racial homogeneity into its policies, would it then become Natsoc?

As for the rest of your post, let me try and shortcut this, so how is Democracy, including limited and/or representative democracy not Natsoc? What defines it as specifically not being capable of being Natsoc?

If Trump fails, we'll have the collapse we both long for. Deadlocked government under Trump will do nothing to delay the demise of America. Without a Julius Caesar, the outcome is inevitable.

I don't want to discourage NatSoc in any way but I want us to have a country before we worry over governmental ideology.

post your natlib videos i'm sure we all want to watch them

No it isn't. It's a Right-wing board with many different ideologies under the umbrella (NatSoc being one of them). TL;DR: Holla Forums isn't one person, Holla Forums isn't one group.

Holla Forums != stormfront

This reminds me, I do want to say the following: I don't genuinely oppose NatSoc, I just get really frustrated when anons say they are NatSoc, flash pictures of Hitler, and otherwise fail to elaborate on what they believe in, and how it differs from any other accepted Holla Forums beliefs. This entire exercise is just to get some concrete answers.

There is literally no point in discussing if you lack the basic foundation, which you have shown yourself you do. Im not going to sit here and spoonfed you. If you want to learn somehting you'ss have to do it on your own. Do your own research and thinking. I have done my best to try to catch the essence of natsoc i will do no more.

Nice strawman kid.

Lets see Platitude:a remark or statement, especially one with a moral content, that has been used too often to be interesting or thoughtful.

So lets see my post again shall we and see if i did throw "platitudes"

Now lets see the context where you decided to make that comparation between mao rethoric and the work of Carl Schmitt

I've literally read a speech by Chairman Mao (no I have never been a Communist or Socialist of any kind) using that kind of rhetoric. Just because you say you are for all the nice things people want to hear about a form of government does in no way actually prove that you can accomplish them.

Well clearly you consider the critical assessment of the reallity (Failure of democracy) and the search of pragmatic solution (effective wielding of political power, and the balance between autonomy and accountability that the thirds reich implemented). as just mere rethoric, but clearly it was just a "temporary success"

We all walk the same path, but not all of us have arrived yet.

Free Markets, No Jews, No Niggers, Secure Borders, No Government dictating how you live and spying on your business, free association. No fiat currency. No handouts from government.

one of you is shilling their videos on here

You'll join us eventually. You're already here, so it is an inevitability.

A worldview that is lived and can survive without government within the individual is not governmental. It is a philosophy of life; a liberating Dharma. It does not depend on government or the state to exist in someone – these things depend on it much like the quality of a people reflect the quality of the society and culture they create. As such, modern society, culture and governmental systems (which are approaching the edge) are a reflection of how far we have fallen. A NS government is simply the superior system made by superior peoples for superior peoples.

follow up question, tell me natlib, are you of the opinion that Government is evil?

Kill yourselves, you retarded niggers. If the shit you both said were true, then you wouldn't even be here. Nice try to play such a simple trick on everyone. 2+2=4, fags.

You mean like how Mussolini did in order to please Hitler? He suffered a lot of backlash for this by the way. Even so, to entertain your question, if they did but still put the state above the people it still wouldn't be NS. The German state sought to unite the Germanic people outside of what was Germany for a reason, (they were bound by race) i see no reason why they would have done this had they been Fascists outside of just mere expansion.

Outside of electing Hitler, what role did the average German play in terms of democratically deciding steps for Germany to take? The Reichstag only convened a few times and the decisions were always unanimous, it was mostly just for show.

And they didn't have an increase in different types of stimulation?
The invention of cinematography, and instant telecommunications (spreading of ideas), the proliferation of cheap photography, magazines, books, radio (knowledge), and automobiles (travel) all occurred during the late 19th to early 20th century, didn't they?

Look at today,
The invention of the Internet and real-time telecommunications (spreading of ideas), and the proliferation of cheap phones, access to most forms of media known to man (knowledge) and rapid transportation around the globe (travel).

History does not repeat itself, but rather, it rhymes.
No event happens the same way as before, but one can always see similarities to the past. Ignoring these similarities and pretending that we can't do anything because
is nothing short of retarded.

Your attempts at trying to dissuade the angry masses doesn't work schlomo.

Let me make this simple for you:
-The history of the Weimar Republic and the Third Reich does not explain NatSoc to me.
-Being vague and avoiding details does not explain NatSoc to me.
-Telling me to fuck off and read books that I have no idea whether they will explain NatSoc to me is not explaining NatSoc to me.

The thread is called "A pitch to all those who are still on the fence about NatSoc". You want to pitch NatSoc to me, I need to know the basics about what NatSoc is, and how it is different from any other Holla Forums approved beliefs. If you can't do that, or don't want to do that, then stop replying.

Before we get into this, I do want to thank you again for helping to clarify things, even if I have more questions.

So how would you show an outside observer the difference between racial fascism and NatSoc? Is there any particular policies, or governmental structure that an outside observer can clearly point out to show a difference between the two? I believe this is important not just for my sake, but for trying to explain this in other topics on Holla Forums and elsewhere. Fascism and NatSoc are frequently lumped together as a single thing, and if they are not, I really want to know how to divide them.

I'm asking about democracy in general (hypothetical and historically) whether it can or cannot be NatSoc, and why. I ask because if NatSoc is not a specific political ideology, but rather a philosophy, then why is it that any and all democratic institutions have to go? What makes them inherently un-NatSoc?

Just because the thread is called something it doesnt mean you can strawman me to it. Please point out a single reply of mine where i say i would like the board to be natsoc.

Im not being vague, i have clearly answer your question many times already. Its not my fault that you are a kid that didnt know about one of the most influent people on political theory, legal theory, continental philosophy and political theology in the last 100 years.

You probably cant even understand the basic's of political theory and managed to confuse the work of him with Mao rethoric for fuck sake.

baseless accusations, a poor use of fallacies and the fact that you like to use words that you dont understand (platitude) make it obvious that you are a kid and have no place in this or any political board.

National Socialism can be defined pretty simply as thus: You want to see your race become its very best and for your own self to become your very best, and it's a constant striving for the maximum potential. The state's purpose is to ensure that nothing gets in the way of this grand evolutionary progression.

This is a good way to sum it up briefly. Basically the entire operation of the state exists solely to push the people forward. It is somewhat flexible in the sense that it any means in a given circumstance to get to that end.

For example, a famous quote from the Nazi party: "Our greatest economic principle is that we have no economic principles".

I know you're frustrated because you are getting a lot of vague answers, but you are asking very broad questions. The main tenants of NatSoc are racial realism, and the acceptance that the only way to progress through eternal struggle. Equality is a false god. Applying these principles can look extremely different given on the state of the society/culture you are applying them to.

NatSoc Italy had a lot of a different policies than NatSoc Germany, and yet they are both still considered to be firmly fascist states.

I get that, but it's a matter of the rubber meeting the road. Whenever anons talk about NatSoc they clearly demonstrate a lot of pre-established policies in their heads when they make replies. If they have these policies, how did they derive them and how can their merits be argued and discussed if when asked about them they have to revert back to a philosophical point of view that is not directly connected to their policies?

Let me give you a question to show you what I mean:

You have ten thousand hapas in your country, due to miscgenation encouraged under the previous globalist government. Do you:
A. ship them off to the country of their non-white parent's origin
B. immediately shoot them openly in public
C. allow them to stay and grant them citizenship provided they are sterilized
D. do nothing, and have faith that nature will eliminate their inferior genes from your race's genepool.

I could argue the merits of any of these positions from your definition, even option D. If the correct answer is not all of them then I need more information.

also meant to reply to you with this

I kind of feel like i'm repeating myself tbh. Hitler invaded Poland because the ethnic Germans were being persecuted and he took them under the fold along with Austria, that isn't to say he made all the Poles a part of his Greater German Reich. He put his own above others, he was of course a German Nationalist first and foremost. Will this supposed racial fascist from one nation expanding into other nations with a good number of his ethnic group take them under the fold and hold them in higher regard than the others in said nation, to the point that they are essentially one of his own countrymen? If so then i don't see him as a fascist anymore because he isn't putting the state in his country above his own blood but his blood above the state.

It gets in the way of progress.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosopher_king

First 3 of those are viable, ultimately its up to what you would determine to be the most viable and best possible solution. There is no common framework other than the principles of its foundation.

I would only argue for A, B, and C as being possibilities. I don't see how you could argue for option D under the definition I listed when the main tenant of NS is the importance of the blood of your people, and those half-breeds will never really be your people. The Rhineland Bastards were sterilized by the Germans when they had to face this question, by the way.

I'm not against this, but I just find it too vague to call myself a NatSoc based on it.

This is a good answer. I won't harp on it any more.

I am not denying the flaws of democracy. However, I have a lot of fucking reservations about benevolent dictators. If setting up a "benevolent" dictator is required to be a member of the NatSoc club, you are going to have to convince me of that first.

Ok, what if I were to pick part C, and add the following provision to it:
If they can find a wife/husband who is viable to have children, the state will genetically engineer their eggs/sperm and artificially inseminate them/their spouse to have white children, passing on the white grandparent's genes to the next generation.

Nice get! Kek blesses thee!

sorry forgot to add at the end: Would adding this provision to part C make the answer not NatSoc enough for you?

It wasn't marxist socialism so we're good. read "The German State on a National and Socialist Foundation."
That was only for the jews and other degenerate races. whites were encouraged to own weapons.
other than defeatism, Communist propaganda, and jewy movies/propaganda Nazi Germany didn't censor anything.

Why the fuck would you go through the trouble of genetic engineering shitskins instead of simply sterilizing them and be done with it?

No, it'd be too weird for me, to be honest, too much reaching for straws and appeasement, and the children would still look at their happa father and not see their own blood and racial soul in them. Are you a happa or something?

This cannot be taken without the context of "National Socialism". National Socialism means that citizens of the nations are to be seen as brothers, as to induce a state of unity.

See quote

Some degree of gun control is necessary. You cannot allow people who are enemies of the state (i.e. want to destroy the nation) to be armed.

Switzerland did this best: Citizens can have guns, yet they are required to serve in the Military for 1 year prior to getting a permit.

While I don't particularly like Censorship, I can't deny that Communist propaganda, Cultural Marxism and other toxic elements should be censored.

Neither America, nor the UK or any other Western country had any censorship against this elements, and they have came to succumb to them.

CTR FAGGOTS NEED TO DRINK BLEACH

Because the happas didn't choose to be happas, and why punish them with being complete genetic dead ends if technology can provide a solution that preserves the race while still allowing them to have children?

No, I'm just not an edgy 40k player who wants to purge everything just for the fucking thrill of it. I get that you don't want to be a cuck, but your over-eagerness to pick the simplest solution to the problem leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I want the best solution, not the easiest, and that goes in both directions.

I don't think you've grasped yet the scope of how badly the jews have fucked up the development of this world. If there will ever be a chance of correction to get in alignment to a higher purpose other than tikkun olam becoming complete, it will not be a pretty or fair period of history, and the last thing on those people's minds will be, "How do we make life fair for these hapas?"

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I'm in the same boat. [email protected]/* */

Like those in the Reich who couldn't have children or had reason to not have children like hereditary conditions they can always adopt a white children.

If they can't understand that and want to have children so much or don't want to be sterilized they are free to leave at any time to find a country that won't mind them doing so or that want to pay the cost for their genetic engineering.

I'm in the same boat as the other autist looking for an invite to TRS [email protected]/* */

I'm in the same boat as the other autist looking for an invite to TRS [email protected]/* */

That's the problem. I highlighted a situation where you had a choice between the quick and easy path, and the hard but humane path to the same solution. I'm not here because I came to Holla Forums's conclusions willingly or happily, I did it because the options have been reduced to fight or die. My problem with a lot of you is that I suspect you are choosing this not because it's the right thing, but because it's the easy thing. Maybe you don't get it, but being fair is part of being white.

Having them pay for it or leave is fine, my point was that I find this "kill everything that isn't an immediate convenience for me" attitude really shitty.

I never said I wanted to mass kill anybody, user, or even promoted such. You're making conclusions on your own. All I said was that I saw A, B, and C as being logically in alignment with preserving the race (I would do C myself if it were doable), and that I felt it weird to give happas test tube babies. This adoption user gave a comfy answer to this fantasy situation.

What would even be the purpose of that. That's fucking stupid and redundant is hell. The whole point is to reinforce natural rules, not become dehumanized transhumanist faggots.

I look at it this way, Democracy is a grand spectacle where who is considered the most popular (of course in almost every case what is orchestrated and propped up by outside forces to be popular) rises to the top. In this situation any Holla Forumsack can tell you that the President isn't the one in charge, hell, even normies will tell you this but they can't pinpoint (((who))) is really in charge. I prefer knowing who is actually the leader rather than be lied into believing i elected someone when in reality someone else is pulling the strings. National Socialism doesn't promote leaders through dynastic means but by who is truly the best and proves themselves worthy. That worth would be determined by who puts their people above everything.

"Hitler seemed like the 'double' of a real person, as if Hitler the man might be hiding inside like an appendix, and deliberately so concealed in order not to disturb the mechanism … You know you could never talk to this man; because there is nobody there … It is not an individual; it is an entire nation"

"Hitler is himself the nation. That incidentally is why Hitler always has to talk so loud, even in private conversation — because he is speaking with 78 million voices"

I really doubt i'm going to convince you to reject Democracy overnight especially given your resistance as evident by your posts about NS being able to be fully implemented democratically. You had a misunderstanding of Fascism and National Socialism which is fine, many do but you seem rather adamant in your belief in democracy given how as i said, you posed the question of NS coming through democratic means.

although i prefer newfags over CTR, it wouldn't hurt me to tell you to leave and never come back

It's the opposite, the Humane path is the easy one that will inevitably fail, it's a soft comforting ideal that will result in total failure. Allowing them to live in your societies is a non-option. Homogeneity needs to be retained at 99%.
The problem only exists because you are allowing them to be in your country in the first place. If they are removed peacefully or forcefully the problem will immediately disappear.
You don't have to gas them all, you just need to kick them fuck out by any means necessary. I.E escalation from refusal.

I wasn't specific and you were right to correct me.

I know NatSoc reaches beyond the scope of just government but I'm talking specifically in terms of economic policy and the like here.

For example, if a man is killed in war protecting our nation or dies in a work-related serving our nation and leaves behind a wife and children, I'm willing to pay whatever taxes to support them that I have to pay, but some people might not be.

Great point. See Africa, India, and the swarming, exploding, unsustainable third world - all thanks to "helping" them, the feel-good, short-sighted fix.

This. In order to save most of the planet, you must be willing to let it die.

Even Churchill knew democracy was fucked up.
"The best case against democracy is a conversation with the average voter."
There is no merit whatsoever, your society is doomed to get exactly what the median of it's bell curve deserves.
I've said this many times, but Utopian ideals like democracy or libertarianism or anarchism or true communal communism require a high IQ population that can function efficiently and shares common goals as a whole.
Communism for example doesn't work because humans would need to have ideals and desires that would much more closely resembles insects, that have no trace of individuality and will eagerly die for the hive.

They are truly perpetuating their suffering, and it makes me mad that these almost genuinely evil humanitarian fucks don't realize that by giving them free food and supplies, they are diminishing their value as a people.
For example if you are a farmer in Africa, and the UN starts giving virtually everyone free meals for even a single year. Would result in total economic failure for the farmer. They can't compete with free, so any outlier nig who is actually smart enough to start a business is absolutely screwed in doing so.

>reddit spacing

What the actual fuck is reddit spacing?

Come on now.

Now this is reddit spacing.

Faggot.

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not an argument etc etc

i do have a love for my countries people, and i would like the best for my country

Never using paragraphs is Reddit spacing, which no one here did. This is just a faggot kike trying to stir things up by memeing this. Filter it.

I'm not a National Socialist because I'm a degenerate furry, and I'm not willing to give up my personal enjoyment when promoting racial duty sans the rest of the fascist boot on my throat is just as feasible. I'll take a racially aware, nationalist, America.

inb4 "wow fucking cuck you don't want me telling you what to do in privacy even if you agree with me in basically all other aspects of policy???"

And then I'll be accused of "Reddit Spacing" because I broke this up so it wasn't one long run-on sentence across the page because I don't think that's very aesthetically pleasing.

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Also are you white and do you care about the future of white children?
yiff in hell anyway kike

I'm going to need to go to bed soon after this post, it's been a fruitful discussion overall.

When it comes to democracy vs authoritarianism, it's not so much that I love democracy, it's that I am very bothered at how little attention is paid to building in corrective mechanisms of governments. I find it really hard to believe that if we just accept NatSoc that the government won't fall out of touch with the needs of the nation over time. Just look at Holla Forums prior to the recent 4cuck exodus.
Problem with leftists?
Problem with the Pope?
Problem with women?
Problem with normalfags?
I'm being slightly hyperbolic with that, but consider it this way, if I don't choose to be a NatSoc, and you end up in a position of power, and I spend my time talking to people about how I don't want a NatSoc government, are you going to shoot me for disagreeing?

kek they probably will faggot

You said it best.

There is no fascist boot. Even in a full blown fascist state, no one would force you to do anything besides paying taxes and maintaining civic order.

and if you decide to shoot me, how many other white people are you willing to shoot in order to get compliance with Nat Soc? what percentage of the white population that disagrees with you is an acceptable number of casualties to get the government you want?

As far as the NSDAP was concerned what you do in your home is your own business. As Goebbels said everyone has their own cross to bare.
The problem is when you get people pushing that degeneracy as normal, and try to sway others especially children into following into identifying as what makes their dick feel good.
What a couple people do in PRIVACY does not matter until it threatens society as a whole.

Goodnight user, the important thing to remember is that NS is trying to chiefly be scientific, what you believe and what you think must be done must be in accordance to reality. If someone fucks up, they should be held accountable.
The problem we have now is that NO ONE can be truly held responsible for their actions in our bureaucracies. Too many hands are pushing the actions so only (((those))) who generally $$$control$$$ everyone can guide that group.

Stop being so melodramatic.

Not that guy, but no, people are free to disagree with a NatSoc government. The problem only arises when they try to destabilize the government by subterfuge.

Lel, I'd hang out with you. Night, anons.

Night

This. It's never ever mentioned that the Jews were trying to start a communist revolution constantly at the time. And the non-communist Jews were allowed to leave and eventually became Israelis. And then you had the 150,000 mixed german jews who served in under Hitler.

*served in the whermacht
I'm about ready to sleep.

I am, seeing the displaced white children and how they're basically being sent to the slaughter against the physically matured third worldlings is a crime. I've called home to my Pops in advising he make sure my younger sister doesn't move out to California with my mother, solely because I know she doesn't need to be in an area filled with disgusting niggers and spics. I myself currently am stationed (milfag) here in Cali, and I've gone to the beach during the 4th of July only to hear the sickening guttural language of spics and ebonics speaking niggers sprinkled with a few limp-wristed faggots and their lisps to the point that I was so infuriated I left the filth and headed to a surfer beach where it was predominately white.

See, you say that, but with Fascism the idea is to limit what would be harmful to the people of the State. And who's to say that in such a fascist government, that my particular bland of personal enjoyment wouldn't be censored and prevented because it is viewed as harmful? As much as I've read into the defining terms of fascism, I can really get behind a devotion to race, country, and the pursuit of venerable values. However, the catch-22 has always been the aforementioned "We'll stop anything we see as harmful", when what is harmful can really be an opinionated thing that should be discussed by nuanced people rather than just whoever is in power at the time.

That and I'd want for America to be in an 80% white majority before I start throwing shekels out to socialist programs, because I don't want that money going to niggers and spics who aren't my people.

Amen to that, good night, brother.

The question had to be asked. There have been anons who have seriously discussed Night of Long Knives style shit in these kind of threads. That said I might be sounding stupid because I need to hit the pillow.

Good night. Shadilay brothers. I hope to see Coughing Fits and Pants of Shit tomorrow.

Holla Forums is not NatSoc board. Its more of a right wing hive mind consisting of different right wing ideology's. And National socialism just so happens to be a right wing ideology. There are NatSocs, Constitutionalists, Nationalists, Libertarians, Paleoconservatives and Traditionalists here as well.

It must be reasonable assertions made from observing that phenomena and it's relation to the society you are trying to protect. If it does not corroborate than its not proper.
If they start making totally unreasonable demands that aren't based on a logically defined principle than what you are facing is not an ideology but corruption. And corruption is something that can exist in ALL systems.
The idea behind democracy was that we could vote the corrupt politicians out. Well we all see how that turned out.
The only real solution is to try to be honest and raise the median quality of people so that does not happen. Loyalty is key.

Power always corrupts always, though. The only way I could see something like this resisting corruption would be in the rise of Socrates' hypothetical Guardian class. While I know the NSDAP didn't disarm the German citizens, it could only be a matter of time before it's good to disarm the suspicious or "degenerates". I'd rather a system of Fascism, if brought to America, be adopted to fit the American culture.

But, alas, it's past midnight and I have to work tomorrow despite it being Sunday. Will just revisit this thread when it's all said and done to see what I can learn.

But it seems to me that the NatSocs are the loudest of the board. Mentioning libertarianism or anything else seems to go against the grain and causes a lot of shill and kike accusations.

Power does not always corrupt, that is oft repeated platitude with no logical justification as to why it would be the case.
Power does not corrupt, but rather men corrupt power. There is nothing inherent in something like a government that is is necessarily evil. It's nonsense.
The only real factor is people. If you think power is inherently corrupt than there is absolutely no hope for anyone.

I used to be a libertarian, but yea you're right it is overboard with how people react to those who have different opinions. This isn't inherent on Holla Forums, Holla Forums is even worse and it's almost impossible to talk about anything there. Especially with the BO being cancerous with his moderation.

Take a handful of these and get you family to dig your grave in the morning..

Because the people from this board view Libertarianism as the enemy disguised.

In today's society where white people are on the brink of extinction, anyone who promotes open borders, like Libertarians, is seen as an enemy, and with good reasons.

Also this is a good point. It doesn't help that Libertarianism is predominately rooted in Jewish thinkers either.
Things are just too high stakes to fuck around with something that would immediately require a high trust society like Libertarianism.

You already lost me.

Quality of any pol goes waayy down when there is too much natsoc samefagging. Pol is supposed to be about discussing politics not about creating a niche echochamber.

Personally still can't figure out why the prussians went so authoritarian after a lot of autonomy in both HRE and as germanic tribes. It seems almost anti-germanic.

Fighting modernism is good but it still seems that authoritarian states are just nanny states. I'd prefer the medieval HRE over the third reich for now.

I as a libertarian do not agree with open boarders. I believe in personal property an the right to self-defense. I, like Styx on YT, am a libertarian/National Socialist hybrid. I know that pisses alot of you off and to you I am neither of the two.

Going back to that video i posted, i don't just expect everyone to fall in line. Just because the current culture in American or take the whole Western world is corrosive, heavily in part because our films, our music and our news is currently in the hands of our enemies, that doesn't mean we can't turn things around. The majority of people adapt and conform to their surroundings, most people are simply apolitical which is fine not everyone needs to be deeply entrenched in NS ideology, the majority just want to live their lives comfortably with family and friends. We have to realign the culture to more nationalist friendly sentiments, especially with the youth.

Now, that's not to say we won't have some who genuinely wish to disrupt things within that population.

If it gets to a point in which you are actively conspiring to cause damage then yes. As for forming parties to spread your ideology, well you obviously would not be given the chance to do so in the first place. In essence, if you move from your own private thoughts and conversations with your family and some friends and you start becoming influential, you're getting shoahed.

You are one of a kind Libertarian then.

Most Libertarians are Internationalists, and Internationalists are against any kind of national sovereignty.

There's a couple, you have Styx as he mentioned and there is also Libertarian Realist. But for now they are too far and few to make a real ideological block compared to other Libertarians they would be competing against.

Usurpers attempting to destroy the movement from within make leaders paranoid. Back in Hitler's day, there was a need to be paranoid once your movement had become subverted and infiltrated by (((outside forces)))

Well, it's not easy reconciling national sovereignty and individual liberty at the same time.

Oswald Mosley tried to do something similar, albeit more on the fascist side, by creating and cementing Civil Nationalism.

If you care about the existence of the white people, I will regard you as a brother, regardless of your political standing.

This ultimately. As long as what they doesn't undermine that then I have no qualms.

This is very true

*as what they do
Okay now I really need to sleep.
Night user

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Kek smiles upon those who live by the 14 words above all.

Night user.

I don't know what Hitler's plan was for a post-war Germanic reich. So can't really compare it. Still didn't answer the question really.

If he didn't give back autonomy to conquered germanic brothers in peacetime I suppose he would have a really hard time keeping his Reich together.

OP, ignore the shills, this is great.

To the others posting here: No this isn't a Trump board. While Trump is providing us a blue print and exposing us to many of the tactics and counter tactics to jewish media assaults, the fact remains that he is a means to an end.

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If one wants to study shill tactics this is a good thread to do it. Look closely at the way OP and those who support him are criticized. You may notice a variety of different tactics being used that seem to support a variety of different objectives. That is because Holla Forums has attracted the attention of many ambitious groups and a thread started by a clearly intelligent and wise National Socialist catches their attention and they perceive it as a threat. No thread on Holla Forums attracts the shills like a National Socialist thread. The reason for that is that National Socialism has an excellent record. There has never been a greater threat to marxism, world jewry, or capitalism than National Socialism and some people know that.

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The history of the National Socialists is by far one of the most interesting.

If someone told you that a bunch of nobodies gathering in a hall led by a homeless failed loser of an artist and his dog to create one of the greatest most economically prosperous and scientifically advanced nations the world has ever known, you'd call them crazy.

I wonder what crazy unbelievable story starts the next one.

At least the shills are earning their shekels. Trump must have twisted Hillary's pussy something fierce to get this much dedication.

I will also add that the most favorite tactics of left-right shills is also to "isolate" you and shame you for following a "fringe" group, while providing no evidence that their brand of bullshit is the majority.

It's groups like TRS and the "alt-right" trying to shill their shit and coalesce the right into one big easy target. If they aren't getting paid by Hillary, then they truly are doing it for free.

Fear makes them want to group together. Only true men stay user till the end.

Fuck off.
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The fascination with Hitler and NS will probably only continue to grow as global equalization continues. Westerners will only become more discontent with their ever-declining position, which is inevitable as long as you have a global economy where the person forced to earn their bread (which is how capitalism works for the working class) must compete with Indians, gooks, and other third worlders who will sit on their ass in an 18-hour shift with no benefits for a fraction of Western minimum pay, because they ride bicycles or carpool, and live 12 people in a pillbox studio apartment.

People should read Spengler's Man & Technics and Hour of Decision if they want to understand more about why the West was going to shit and continues to. The short summary to whet the appetite is this: the West enjoyed a privileged status because they kept what was valuable exclusive and secret: their knowledge and their means. The rest of the world wanted what we had. But we lost our privileged position when we let our knowledge, trade secrets, etc, bleed out to the world.

The internet only hastened this. Greedy capitalist Jews hastened this.

It's a mess, and there are a lot of variables, but one thing is absolutely certain: the world is heading more and more toward equalization, and you are one of two people: a person who will face ever-declining living conditions and pay (equalizing with workers with the rest of the world), or you will be one of the masters: a business owner who has a horde of slaves.

The real takeaway from Spengler in translation to today, is that we used to use our technology as a race for the supremacy of our race and nation over others. Today, any technical methods devised are utilized by "humans" who are business leaders over "humans who are workers". You, the worker, as an American, an Englishman, a German, an Italian, whatever your "Western" descent, that means fuck all; you are "human capital".

The business leader who takes destructive actions against their homeland and people, even if they are not an ethnic Jew, are as good as the "Jew" the NS rallied against. There are plenty of "non-Jews" on Wall Street manipulating things, as well as Main Street. Every person you see on Shark Tank is a Jew, even the nigger in the suit, or the Croatian metrosexual whatever his name is: they all want to pinch a penny utilizing the third world.

But you know where the guilt really lies? It lies in the people. It lies in the worker, who tolerates this shit. Who complacently takes their shit wage, their car payment, their shitty apartment, forgoing the opportunity to ever own a home for a wife and kids.

Modern Westerners are Helots, and the Jews (and their helpers) are the Spartans, ruling the world. You will live and die as a fucking slave if you are a worker in a capitalist system.

"The worker in a capitalist system – and that is his greatest misfortune – is no longer a man, but a cog in the machine." – Goebbels.

You're shit. Remember that, wagecucks. Remember that when Hillary wins. Remember that when every fucking shill you see – white males especially, and white women (women are always whores to whoever has power, if dogs had military might, women would be fucking dogs en masse) – is saying whatever is popular. They are no different from the white whores on Blacked faking it well for niggers, to pay their rent; such a cheap price, pocket change for the Jews.

I'm 14, not so 88. If I was german or had german ancestry maybe it would be different, but just because I've had the wool removed from my eyes about WW2/Nazis/Jews doesn't mean I'm going to suck Hitler's dick.

/x/ please. The only group that has you beat in how many times you've been kicked out of Holla Forums are the jews.

user is the only way to avoid getting taken over. Just look at gamergate and how quick the left were to gain control of it. The one thing the left really fears is attacks from something they can't pin down in any real way. They thought 4chan was a hacker that they could focus down. You can see that attack style with Trump where the leftist media try to pile on him as a means of drowning out the truth and pushing their narrative. They can't do that with anons as they can be anyone, so they need to make them a target they can hit first.

You dunce, Im natsoc.

(checked thoroughly)

I'm picturing the user resistance as operating like the vietcong now. The Americans couldn't tell who was friend and who was foe, and they couldn't kill literally everyone, so they lost.

Then why does it say Holla Forums - Politically Incorrect and not /NatSoc/ - National Socialism? I'm politically incorrect, I reject political ideology other than basic nationalism (a government should work for the indigenous people of its country in the best interest of those people and the country in general) because nationalism is the most natural.

Political ideology is cancer (especially cultural marxism, which is possibly the biggest threat to humanity) and political parties should be abolished. Governments and people in general should use science, facts and logic to find the correct answers for each issue individually, not cling to a political ideology and just parrot the answers that ideology claim are correct.

Krijg kanker

newfag

Frogposters unite.

Praise Kek

OP, beautiful post, by the way.

So you are the political version of an atheist?

m'center lady.

If Politically Correct doesn't mean politically incorrect then it might as well be a cultural marxist board.

That's meant to say "Politically Incorrect" obviously.

Anti-leader, Anti-male, Anti-hope, pls go.

It doesn't even have to do with that.
We only use that name because moot was too much of a pussy to actually create a /natsoc/, so he just named it Holla Forums

I realised the same thing after studying (yes, I didn't just read them) Chamberlain and Rosenberg.

The true religion is one of race, which we are all following even when we think we are Christians, or Libertarians or Socialists or whatever.

In this scheme I do think that a form of Nationalsocialism has until now been the only proper way of expressing this.

Once you get into nationalsocialism, you will find a load of good political, economical, religious and cultural that could easily form the basis of a religion.

Very few other labels have that to offer, fascism is just an ideology, white nationalism more of a broad movement and the evolean/traditionalist stuff is just silly.

So yes, our future is natsoc.

I guess you could say that. Although politics is different from religion or at the very least the belief in God and that Jesus is his son, as nobody has been able to objectively prove those things either way. Whereas race for example has been not only objectively proven but also proven to have differences and not be equal.

I'm not a centrist though. Reality clearly leans right if you compare the number of correct answers that are considered right-wing to those that are considered left-wing.

How am I anti-male and anti-hope?

What has moot got to do with Holla Forums?

Your missing the point, reread what he wrote again and again until you understand it.

You DO know where we all originally come from do you?

Yes it has been since the beginning you degenereate weeb newfag.

What, everybody? Not me. And I'm sure I read on here people complaining that nazis weren't welcome on 4chan's Holla Forums and that's why they came here.

We were the original reason why 4/pol/ even exists, all the people currently there are "peaceful refugees™", thanks to moot and his SJW admins

Wew

KEK
They already wiped out history.

This is not 4chan. This website allows any board names. Why not have a /NatSoc/ board rather than use false advertising?

Halfchan was pretty much like here in terms of NatSoc presence but with way more shitposting, then it got pozzed a couple years ago. There were more libertarians, but that was mainly due to Ron Paul's short-lived success, and many had yet to figure out that libertarianism is a trap.

Because we do what we like? And Holla Forums stood for national socialist leaning board since for fucking ever?

moot was never very intelligent. I remember the height of the fad 07-09 when he went to Cons and the media creamed over this boy wonder. He always flopped interviews and seemed simpleminded

HOW DID I MISS THAT OVER 4 YEARS?
Please tell me it's real

If you went to a board called /whites/ and it was full of black people wouldn't you think it was strange and misleading?

This is a political board and we discuss politics.

The people who are doing most of the discussion happen to be NatSoc.

Except that white and black are polar opposites and National Socialism is a part of politics.
Try harder. What are you trying to do here, fellow Holla Forumslack :^)?

Gay is a little much. I think he is just a bitch.

He is the kind of retard that paid the whole expense for the vacation of a woman with a boyfriend more alpha than he will ever be. And he was (probably still is) her little friend zoned servant for the entire duration.
I was never surprised tbh. He is a weak, skinny piece of shit that is somehow less manly than a Kpop Idol. It was written on the wall.

No, this is explicitely a natsoc board, you mean >>>/politics/

So it's not a NatSoc board. That's my point.

Oh fuck off.
Host a real time poll right here right now you fucking worm. And we were talking about demographics.

Got your back user

englishlive.ef.com/blog/5-tips-make-constructing-english-sentences-easy/

Fuck off, 4cancer scum.

Triggered?

And Ubisoft are a part of the videogame industry yet I bet if I went to Holla Forums it wouldn't be full of people claiming that it's the Ubisoft board? And I was just pointing out that the ultimate in political incorrectness is to reject political ideology entirely. Also, if you don't believe that your political ideology can stand up to science, facts and logic then aren't you admitting that it's basically worthless?

Yes passive aggressiveness coupled with the grammatical standards of a 10 year old triggers me.

If you think Holla Forums is not a NatSoc board, then make a thread, saying that Hitler is bad or that the Holocaust happened.
The first hotpocket that sees it will ban you and delete/anchor the thread.

Wew

I dont speak inferior tongue very well.

Yes faggot, socialism

Try forming basic arguments before you start feeling superior.

Do YOU speak English, shitskin?

Well, it's implied strongly. Always just felt it was nationalist/anti-white genocide, without necessary regard to NatSoc in particular. Think britpol (gone now?)

Mostly was just taking down his strange analogy. I'm NatSoc anyway, doesn't matter to me

NatSoc is politics. We, a bunch of Nazis, discuss politics (which is a very broad-reaching term).

Don't take my word for it bro but your Shitskin-detector™ needs a replacement.

For the record the reason I mentioned forming sentences because of your poor excuse of a post .

Always with the identity politics aye. Call your self an old fag? user you know what it means?

Honestly play in traffic.

Tradition.

The traitorous Moot gave us the name years ago. We keep it around solely out of tradition, for no other reason. Renaming ourselves to something more "accurate", but in the process setting ourselves back to square one with branding, is absolutely senseless. Widly autistic.

Fuck off, you worthless nigger. The people that call themselves alt-right are the ones opposed to the cuckservatives who push the DR3 meme.

Obvious D&C, get fucked.

I've been on twitter. I've seen them. Their Milo faggot does it, and a significant portion of people who self-describe as "alt-right" follow his lead and do it too. It's rampant on alt-right self-described r/the_donald.

Don't pretend this is just cuckservatives who do it. We benefit from honesty, not sugarcoating the truth.

My problem with NatSoc is that its too left wing and requires a massive government.

National socialism, is basically leftypol in a nutshell. You hate skype kikes and google niggers but you want a massive government to tell you what to do in life and wipe your bum for you.

I tried to tell the people on Leftypol this and they banned me. Which very strongly proves my point.

Ironmarch thread

Nevermind, it's just Chaim up to his old tricks

Everytime

Democrats ARE the real racists though.

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Just no.

You are also welcome to host a poll to contradict otherwise.
The asshurt is real.

I don't believe in that but the government would be about the size of the US government or slightly smaller and it would be run efficiently. It isn't about the government telling you how to live your life, it is about bolstering good and destroying evil in the nation. The reverse of the current situation, while small governments leave evil running rampant and good to fend for itself. If money and freedom, enlightenment freemasonic values or you might say American values, then we cannot understand each other.
Money is important so that we have the ability to determine our future and so is freedom but they are not values.

The difference between the two boards is the difference between good and evil, the truth and a lie. They might look very similar, but they are opposites.

And this is guy here is the exact reason this board is going down the shitter ever since all this Trump spam started.

Yes, he is needed to do a blow to the jews but he will not be the savior you think he will be. You LARP as if he is the next fucking Hitler and its fucking pathetic.

This is why I visit this board on Yurop times since atleast the topics are intellectual not fucking Trump spam

(This has nothing to to with this post.)
What we tried to do yesterday was to give you the fishing rod of natsoc.
Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime.
We were trying to giving you a set of equation that you plug in the current situation and that will give you a natsoc state. I dont know if you are happy with answer you have gotten while i was sleeping and now consider yourself a natsoc.

I was about to give you a proper post then I saw the "googles, skypes, etc" meme and I lost it. Fuck off.

Oh boy, wanna talk about how we should bomb the White House, fellow anomalous-kamerad? :DD

I guess I'll have to take that as a no.

My problem with this approach is that someone has to define what is good and evil and that will inevitably change over time.
Here in Europe the government believes muslims are good and white men are evil. So we are being replaced.

I prefer not to have a huge centralised government power in the first place. That way its scope to do harm when it becomes corrupt (which it always will) is limited.

I agree with your last point though.
I got instantly banned for bringing this up on leftypol.

You don't understand.
Who are you to say what we are or to even label us?
This is an imageboard, with anonymous posters. Rank and filing is fucking retarded.

Plus if you just say natsoc, you're just an attention whoring faggot no better than e-celebs.

No, a natsoc government would be a lot smaller then our present government, because it would have less red tape and less bureacracy.

Again, doesn't make sense, you have never read any books on the subject and I bet your some christcuck.

What the hell, we shouldn't try to life good lives, because there are people out there who try to change it's definition.

What kind of argument is that?

I get that NS is first defined by a spiritual element above all else and the philosophical basis is not only true (for fascism in general, I mean, but NS is part of it surely) but we operate under that philosophical rule whether we realize it or not. What that spiritual truth IS, I am not exactly sure beyond the idea of the myth; the legend that defines the creation of an ethnic people. I see value in that. However this thread is about the pitch for NS or Fascism and frankly there is more to this world that needs to be address by this system if we are to adopt it strictly above other potentially viable political systems.

As have been drawn out at least partially in this thread (between the shitposting) is that NS is more defined by material-transcending philosophical points, platitudes, and vague sentiments about how society should run, the the concrete political structures of other systems. While these ideas are understandable, we can't ignore the fact that we do indeed live in a objective material world on some level and that we have material needs. As these two latter points are true, then you ideology needs to be able to work with those truths. I tend to see NS answer this by claiming that its based around the laws of nature and that its a transformative, adaptive system because of it.

But if its such a loose system that changes so fluidly, why even give it such a particular name like National Socialism, when you know the word 'socialism' has specific connotations towards a separate and strictly materialist ideology?

Why try and promote it in its original form when it was designed for Germany at a certain period of time and would probably be very different had it lasted to today?

Why criticize other countries (or specifically anons on this board from other countries) of potentially adapting much of the philosophical points of NS/Fascism but around their own country's national character?

Or maybe I should back it up and ask, is there an objective reality, is it observable, and by what basis do you define objective truth? Is it by some material means, philosophical means, or by spiritual means? I have seen that Hegel is sometimes cited to this point and in NS/Fascism, is this true and what Hegelian ideas are you deriving your worldview from?

I think our present government is far too big.
But a national socialist government would surely be bigger. In order to enforce all the socialist programs.

Basically I want a government that doesnt intrusively involve itself in peoples day to day lives.

A straw man I guess?
Because I certainly didnt say that.

What socialist programmes exactly, remember that a lot of the money of any modern states goes towards welfare and policying duties because of foreigners, which will become a lot less.

That equals supporting pedophilia, any government that doesn't involve itself in peoples lives is an evil government.

Alright, what did you say.

evolution compels us as a race to expand, conquer, and colonise. What you propose is the opposite of this.

You guys are alright, a bit edgy and puritanical at times, but a hell of a lot better than than anyone else. I'm a more of a fascist, though.

Meh fascism is either political ideology, or weirdo occultism.

Nationalsocialism is a worldview.

Edgelords on Holla Forums are mostly teenager newfags without common sense, but i can assure you NatSoc is the best for your country even if fascism is already good.

Pic related. Those in glass houses shouldn't throw bricks.

The aesthetics of fascism appeal to me more, among other things.

Stuff like the socialized subsidized car buying, holidays and weekend trips.
Subsidizing women. A free health service. Anti smoking drives. Autobahns. The list is very large.

BTW im not saying that these programs are themselves bad. You rightly point out its the drain on the system by foreigners which tends to stretch them beyond breaking point.
What I dont like is the necessity for a big government to enforce them.
Large powerful organizations ALWAYS seek to gain more power for themselves.

I said that good and evil should not be defined by the government particularly because its a subjective thing which varies in so many ways.
Some people think that using the wrong pronoun for a tranny is evil.
Others think that tax is evil.
Some people think drilling for natural resources in your home country is evil.
Some think not praying 5 times per day is evil.

What happens when your version of good and evil contradicts the governments version of good and evil?
It depends on exactly how powerful the government is doesnt it?

Kek, not very Orthodox!

Yes, beyond that I have no problems with any measures taken and Nationalsocialism doesn't have an extensive economic dogmatics, like Marxism has, so if something doesnt work, it can be changed.

In all fairness, if we do defend what is good and evil then the government might be right or it might be wrong, but if we don't, then the government is always wrong.

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If you leave people to their own devices they are generally good. So in my mind the result of the government doing nothing is a fairly good population.

Where as If the government is enforcing evil for some reason (such as getting infiltrated by SJWs and feminists) that impacts negatively on the whole population.

How would you know, give me an example of such a society.

Holla Forums is not a NatSoc board you fucking faggots. It is a right-leaning Holla Forumsiticical board which draws in people of many different ideologies than just NatSoc, as long as they are right-leaning.

Yes, NatSoc is probably the most popular ideology, but it is not the only one. There are also facists, monarchists **of all kinds*, just nationalists, libertarians, and people who don't actually follow any specific ideology just having their own individual opinions. Ignoring this element is fucking retarded.

these guys perhaps

youtube.com/watch?v=gws046zcrVQ

Meant for

I accidentally clicked on the lolbertarian post.

FIRST POST SHILL POST

No, those people have leaders and shamans.

Any attempt to create a society without a government ends in violence, drug use, rape.

If governments don't have the right to define that which is good and evil than individuals most certainly do not either.
Good and Evil is an objective thing and can be measured in relation to the subjective perspective of the viewer.

For example, to a Muslim killing a non-believer is good, but to the non-believer the Muslim is evil for killing him.
If your government is a proper National Socialist implementation, it must reflect that subjective perspective of that society, which can objectively determine that which is good and bad simply from information derived from historical outcomes. (Evil being negative degenerative outcomes while Good being positive and generative outcomes)
We have plenty of information to know that Arabs are fucking evil to us as Europeans, so we must operate on that basis or face non-continuity.
You are arguing from the false notion that power is inherently corrupt and therefore individuals are inherently corrupt. Shitskins and Jews in government won't care about the population they preside over and so they will act out in what they see as the best course of action, I.E. the favoring of their own alien population over the native one they've subverted.
Jews genuinely believe they are good and that we are evil.
Arguing that government shouldn't have power because evil and good can exist in multiple perspectives is a foolish refusal of a necessary fact of human relations.

I dont mind leaders and stuff. To me it becomes a problem when you have taxes and large publicly funded organisations.
Prince Phillip has been their god for 30 years and he hasnt asked for a penny in taxes all he got was a stick. So im fine with that.

Not true at all.
Everyone can define what is good and evil for themselves and should try to live by that.

You bring up a good example of this in Arab immigration.
Our government thinks immigration is good and anti immigration is evil.
I dont agree with that and im sure you dont. But because we have allowed our government to be so powerful that they can essentially redefine and overrule our own moral code that is what can (and eventually always will) happen.

But you have no argument, why their wrong and you just started repeating yourself, so no point in going on with this.

Your opinion doesn't matter, you are part of a community learn to accept this.

I guess I misunderstood the problem you had with them.
Which really is your fault for not explaining yourself better.

user the only reason there are Muslims here is because our (((governments))) are not controlled by European interests. Our population has been subverted. Saying you can't define good and evil is precisely the subjectivitist line of thinking that has gotten us here today.

It is subjective from perspective, but is derived from very real information.
Do you know how the word Government derives from Latin?
This inability to declare that which is wrong has allowed outside forces to declare everything that was once generative as evil.
Subjectivism is the root mechanism for our subversion, and the reason our perceptions are so skewed. If your government is entirely impotent in it's root function than your government will continually fail to protect it's population from very real objective threats.
Everything we perceive is subjective does not mean we can make conclusions as to whether they should be tolerated or not.
Are you going to tell me we shouldn't fight Muslims because from some random individuals perspective it would be wrong?
The group is just an amalgamation of individuals, and without that group individuals can neither survive nor thrive. It takes two to tango, and the necessity of government is an increasingly apparent fact.
And that's coming from me, an ex-lolberg.

True but a lot of Europeans happily go along with and support them.
To them its not evil. But to me it is.

So what is the objective definition?
I want there to be an objective definition for good and evil. The only reason why im saying it is subjective is because there doesnt seem to be a definition people can agree on.

There isn't I explained several times it's sheerly from the perspective of your people.
That is why National Socialism is so important.
So people who are more like each other than not can live without the conflict of alien ideologies subverting them and inverting their values.
Your government is not inherently evil, but you can let evil people run it.
If you deny government you are denying your people the only tool we have against organized outside threats. Without government society cannot survive, and allowing anyone to act on the perspectives they see fit is the very problem we have today.
Europeans are conditioned by powerful outside forces that the government should otherwise be trying to protect them from. If you government is not acting out on that basis than your government is corrupt and needs to be fixed.

Looks like (((trs))) is in full force today.

Criminally unchecked.

Also it's funny how marxists always talk about redistributing other people's stuff. Living a life full of degeneracy, producing nothing, then getting salty that they're not where they wanted in life so it must be society's fault.

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I'm a lolitarian but I would use the freedom provided by such an ideology to build an ethnic centered semi-communal society, this would be on a voluntary because that allows degenerates to self select themselves out and keep our stock pure.

It's my fault your stupid?

No, Holla Forums is a board where we can freely have politically incorrect discussions.

BAIT THREAD

Fuck off.

>Holla Forums has always been the Germanic Diaspora living worldwide.

what the fuck am I reading

At least it's a better outcome than WW3 and the destruction of every 1st world nation by the hands of shillary.

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any Natsoc have answers to this?

Oh and where did I say I was a Libertardian?

You're just another proof this stupid thread is just a bait thread and it should be bumplocked already. Fuck off nigger.

It's not a loose system, the system itself is rigorous and is supposed to be scientific.
The decisions you make using that system are supposed to be flexible as to reflect the reality of the situation. NS readily embraces the fact that everyone is acting on their own basis and tries to factor that in. So the decision making won't always be the same, but core ideas that direct how those decisions would be made.
National Socialism is a Systems approach and not a goals approach.
Communism is an example of ideology justified by a goals approach, and is very readily demonstrated in the notion that the ends justify the means.

*but the core ideas that direct how those decisions would be made stay the same.

Sure.

You are missing the fact that national socialism rejects the modern utilitarianism and the premise that humans are self-interested individuals. The vision of the NS is a lot more idealistic(for good or bad), and the values are more close to the virtues of Aristotle Ethics.

They see Sociology as the beginning of an attempt to understand man in his collective nature, but they think it was in some ways on the wrong track,because "society" is still an essentially individualistic term. "Community" by contrast denotes an organic unity.

This organic unity is why their government is shaped in order to produce healthy functional societies and understand the necessity of small communities over rootless cosmopolitan cities even if they are homogenous.

Untrue, we have all policies that the NSDAP implemented during 12 years as the manifestation of the ideology in the material plane. They realzied that what may work in theory may not be in reallity and were not afraid of try theories as long as the internal axioms were consistent and the theories were aligned withe principles and values of the national socoialists, Fundamental things like this is why it's seem less rigid and more fluid than others political ideologies. that are more centered in proven certain premises and theory right rather and creating a successful state and serve they own people.

Its based on Prussian Socialism not Marxism definition of socialism.

Continue:

Clearly you dont understand that the Third Reich is just a framework of the ideology , this principles and values can be applied in many theories and are our best bet to create a real alternative to democracy in a post-industral society

Can you show me some posts, most of my criticisim is only based on the idea's and theories itself, i may be biased toward absolutism and see Ideological Purity as important but its mainly in my hatred towards Bipartisanship and the fact that democracy always lead to centrism.

See my thread

*Untrue, we have all policies that the NSDAP implemented during 12 years as the manifestation of the ideology in the material plane. They realzied that what may work in theory may not be in reallity and were not afraid to try theories as long as the internal axioms were consistent and the theories were aligned withe principles and values of the national socoialists, Fundamental things like this is why it's seem less rigid and more fluid than others political ideologies. that are more centered in proving certain premises and theories right rather tand creating a successful state and serving their own people.

As it stands, National Socialism wouldn't work in places like the USA or anywhere in Europe that does not have a white population greater than %95. That white population also needs to be on board with the policies of National Socialism.

lt also can't work in a world run by Jews. These places would need to purge their lands of non-whites and have a massive overthrow of government to install a National Socialist government.

You're a pajeet? Modern India has a long history of fascist and ethnonationalisfixally movements going back to earliest fights for independence. Revolution wasn't a mistake, but taking on the mantle of socialism and not natsoc was the worst one India ever made. Join RSS and raise up the saffron flag.

I agree we are mainly NatSoc but you do a shit job of explaining it most of the time.

Usually this board is just shit posts.

You will get your own nation and culture if you want it.

You mad? This is probably what a shitskin feels like in rural Germany or in Eastern Europe.

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Your nation is your blood. Men like Marcus Garvey and Malcom X understood this, and tried to carve you a new nation for you.
Don't be a tard just because you feel threatened.

Welcome to the club

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America doesn't have a fixed racial type, we couldn't be truly National Socialist because of it unless there emerged a new race after thousands of years.

We just don't want non-whites because generally they are absolutely shit tier and down right destructive and an impediment to society as a whole.
No one cares if you are Potato nigger anymore, we're concerned about real niggers.
We are trying to be as European as possible in the United States, we would go back to the old immigration policies that the United States was founded on, which almost strictly European.

*which was almost
I gotta start proofreading my posts.

The sad thing is that I don't know a single bit of spic speak since English is the national language, why would anyone teach their children to speak another language first over the national language that the nation they live in? should the Canacucks kick out the frenchshitters that exclusively speak French and demonize any English speaker?

D&C thread

This is a RWDS board

inb4 reddit spacing
t. ancap

Why not 100%? Anyway, if we even get to that point, it won't be for you to decide.

Why does language matter? The reason we act the way we do towards non-whites on here is because having non-white populations in our countries is going to bring about the gradual end of the those white populations.
Language is a non-issue for me. Even I realize that it would be very difficult for the United States to eventually become Majority white and again and have a generalized versions of NS. So I'm not too concerned about what's happening in the US other than the desire to get it back to pre-1960s levels..
What I'm really concerned about is the people of my ancestors homelands are being lost forever to hordes of invaders and they have no means to contextually protect themselves from it without racial unity.

My face when

Why not both?

The first AND the second post. Gee.

On topic, I prefer Fascism myself.
Nationalization of industry > socialism.

More of this, please.

Again, it's a vague answer because you are asking vague questions. If you were to give us an example of a country or political climate in which you would like to introduce NatSoc, then we could be more specific. As I said, it is a philosophy that is flexible and varies based on the conditions around us. Give us those conditions and we can tell you what type of policies would be enacted.

I appreciate the responses, they mostly answers all my points and the thread you linked is very helpful. Ill just clarify one point:

I mostly say that from responses to other threads when talking about the system that would be implemented in America if we ever get the chance to, or any other country that was founded on post-enlightenment ideas. Natsocs claim its irreconcilable but it seems like it must lest these countries just lose all sense of their original culture or history, which seems to contradict what National Socialism is trying to do.

I'm going to read that thread you link now and perhaps it will answer those issues.

All of you should be ashame of supporting nazis dont you know about the holocaus. i cant believe this site is even allowed to exist with so much hate speech being spouted by uneducated people.

I'm not NatSoc I'm a Monarchist. I want to be King, that is all.

Guys don't forget.

8ch.net/polmeta/res/12189.html

TRS is shilling the fuck out of this board with their PR cucking alt-right bullshit.

holy shit I haven't laughed that hard in a while

Factually incorrect.
>>>/natsoc/ is a NatSoc board.
Holla Forums is a place for all the political alignments to get together and duke it out to see which one is the best.
At least, it should be
Fucking Holla Forums

Read Pierre Clastres' Society Against the State

It's a work of anthropology from france in the 70s, so you'd think it'd be pozzed, but the guy was cool and was explicitly refuting marxist theory of progressive history. he died in a car crash a few years after releasing the work, probably would've done more great things if he hadn't.

He studied savage tribes as not a subsistence society living out of necessity because of their shitty tech, but societies intentionally designed to live at a base level of comfortable subsistence, and nothing more, as a way to stop the evolution of a state (defined: society with discreetly separated powers, and unbalanced distribution of the monopoly on violence). In other words, rather than be "primitive" just waiting to evolve in to a more advanced society (eventually reaching the ultimate end goal of communism, according to marxist nonsense), they're just another self sustained construction of society.

Of course, that doesn't mean they're 'equal' or remotely appreciable, they're fucking savages, but it does suggest even the most 'ungoverned' of people have evolved distinct and complicated social institutions to self regulate themselves (there's no such thing as people left to their own devices) as well as give a better understanding of the nature and definition of the state through comparison.

Clastres' On Ethnocide is a good read, too. Uses ethnocide (e.g. genocide of an ethnic identity, like in the absorption of people conquered by the Romans) to tear into liberal humanism and globalism.

Don't have a pdf for either but some excerpts from the latter here:
deterritorialinvestigations.wordpress.com/2012/12/30/intermission-pierre-clastres-on-states-ethnocide-alterity-and-contagion/

Holla Forums was a place for all the political alignments to get together and duke it out to see which one's the best. NatSoc won.

NSDAP used all forms of hakenkreuz.

nope, there are still many others here.

Loudest Voice ≠ Victor.

Right up until you speak up and get BTFO, again and again and again.

Getting mobbed ten on one ≠ BTFO

You don't take into account lurkers who interject from time to time.

though I will agree most commies fucked off to Holla Forums and most lolbertardians fucked off to /politics/
*neo-x idk where

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I'm interested to see nrx, monarchists and feudalists air their dirty laundry here but lolbergs and anarcho-anything don't belong here, they just waste our time since we've all been through it before

Who, you and some other guy?

2deep4u-tier excuse. You're not loud because you have no confidence in whatever snowflake thing you believe in or because you already tried and failed but to protect your ego you're going to write it off as "loud voices" bombarding you. National Socialists deliver with Laconic honesty and follow truth like a religion. If being bombarded by that is too unnerving then you need to question what it is you're holding onto because it's probably holding you back, not the "loud voices."

I'm just not sure I could be a socialist I just think an anarco capitalist system with proper regulation is just a better system in conjuction with meritocracy then any socialist system

Be honest though dude, we were all (mostly) lolbergs at some point. While their utopian ideals were mislead, they are still right about the lugenpresse and establishment politics, so here we are shitposting about great leaders, past, current, and future.

Nope, I was simply talking about demographics. Natsoc may be the majority of the board, but there are still other posters served here.

I'm aware, but we all grew up. Whoever didn't are idiots or newfags, there's no reason we need to waste any of our time engaging in debate when we've already long left it behind. Like the dork I'm about to wew.

Or your little bitch ass who's too scared to even flash his own political identification on an anonymous imageboard lest it gets smugged on.

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I'm a tribalist, in which I believe in most all of Natsoc ideals but want them propagated in small communities instead of nationwide government. It's not realistic now, but will be when the West collapses.

Bring on the smug.

All I meant to say is saying "Holla Forums is a Natsoc board" strictly isn't true, and is a detriment to our power. By posing as one unified force, fraction points can be exploited. By appearing as diverse in our opinions as possible, shill subverters won't know where to start. Thus I advise against declaring primacy of opinion because it solidifies it.

This is a politics board. But it's not just a politics board, it's an anonymous politics imageboard. Years of uncensored debate, self regulated by the community, free from the weight of ego/identity acted as a sieve, leaving only natsoc and a few other closely related positions left.

Just as very quickly leaning hard right was the natural result, just as the discovery of meme magic was natural - as natural as the exodus and subsequent forced replacement with redditors, goons and shills was artificial. The ideology of the board is not natsoc, it's of seeking the true and right. Which just happens to be natsoc, as far as we know today. Our think tank is still running and we're still always growing, the inputs are always changing, but the self organization is not in any way artificial.

FYI, 4/pol/, created at the end of 2011, wasn't Holla Forums's first iteration. Before that it was /new/, deleted at the beginning of 2011 for racism to clean up the site for advertisers and recreated on 4chon, and before that it was /n/, created in 2006 then deleted and recreated once or twice before /new/ was made in 2009 or so. Pre-Holla Forums, the emphasis was specifically on exclusively news articles, eg there were no philosophy/discussion threads like this though there were still digging and raids, and it's been racist with a strong contingent of natsocs since /new/ at the very least. /new/ and Holla Forums used to have many more lol bergs and we organized behind Ron Paul in the same way we have Trump, but the failure of his campaign left the entire movement disillusioned and shifting hard rightwards - most of the new fascists, nrx, "alt right," "1488rs" etc across the Internet are ex-lolbergs.

The germanic retards just need to fuck off back to Yurope.

You mad, mutt?

You're truly one the best goyim.

kek why are you such a faggot op? we're just a bunch of 14-year old virgins with l33t hacking skills, we don't have an ideology, we just really really really like the thought of gassing kikes and starting a race war

This. I'm all for Nationalism but Socialism is dogshit.

To add to this, many of us former libertarians regretfully came to realize that the various philosophy's of freedom are just a liability in a world where no one gives a shit and wants to take everything we have. We've realized that fighting and surviving the existential crisis of our own genocide is more important than anything else, and started looking at systems that seemed most viable to repulse the degeneration of our entire fucking civilization. National Socialism was a damn good fit. History has shown that right's are something that have only existed when white men were leading a nation of their fellow whites.

A nation that spreads it's legs to foreigners only has a future as a used up whore.

Here's your reply

What do you think socialism is exactly?

Renouncing private property is dogshit, but without some level of government control corporations will take over. I'd rather have governments instituting anti-trust legislation over welfare programs. Racial-based socialism that doesn't encourage class conflict but class congruence sounds better than what most Americans associate with socialism, i.e. commies, FDR, and LBJ. The American way of life has one major flaw, corporations control wayyyyyy too much of our lives, national socialism would at least reorient propaganda towards something ethnocentric rather than multicultural.

Wew lad

Distribution of wealth, you fucking Leftist filth. All NatSocs are Leftists.

Okay Crowder, you're filtered.

Germans need to get the fuck out of America. America is an Anglo country.

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then I suppose, and leftypol says this all the time, that national socialists aren't really socialists because they don't distribute wealth in the way commies do

nigger leftism is egalitarian, racial/military hierarchies are inconsistent with a leftist point of view, not to mention the preservation of traditions and order

I am not a National Socialist because I am not German,

I am not a Fascist because I am not Italian

These ideologies were developed specifically to exist as uniquely ultra-nationalistic ideologies for the benefit of the peoples from which they grew from.

I am an American of ancient Colonial English blood, in time a uniquely American ultranationalism will develop which will hyper-emphasize ancient American traditions and values, which will codify a uniquely American attitude and Ethos to the absolute exclusion of the other peoples of the world. When that time comes I will march under its banner. It is a betrayel of my people and a usurpation of the rights of other peoples to subscribe myself to the ultranationalism of foreign states.

This. Also in a NatSoc society all your property is yours unless you're doing some shit that actively damages the state. Under straight up socialism owning shit is illegal.

Wew

Anglos are germanic you dumb fuck.

This is why nordicist LARPagans hate Anglos, because we don't collectivize with them. They hate our individual nature.

Stay the fuck back home the next time then you rat.

Holla Forums supports Trump because he is the most politically incorrect candidate to choose from. Period.

The minute he wins the election, Holla Forums is going to become his biggest critic (never mind that Holla Forums is on his side for now).

Anglos collectivize all the time, look at the New Deal, and UK's labor reforms. Our individualism led to our naive outlook oln multiculturalism that we're fighting today.

London is not all Anglos, snownigger, and neither is the North.

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This user is correct about Holla Forums, more specifically, 8/pol/. In the beginning, yes, it was about 50/50 NatSoc/Libertarian, however it evolved into pure fascism. Any notion that Holla Forums is anything other than a NatSoc board is pure bologna; despite all of the American Anons spamming lots of Trump, that does not make Holla Forums a "Trump" board or part of the "alt-right". Holla Forums in it's essence is what the "alt-right" refers to as "14/88ers". It has only been since all this alt-right, Trump faggotry, that Holla Forums has begun to devolve into something a bit above 4/pol/ levels. 8/pol/ is honestly going to fall if Anons do not learn exactly what it is that we NatSocs are talking about (in fact, it's already falling, so what's it matter).

To all of those newcomers, no matter where you come from or what led you here; please, if you don't like it on Holla Forums, goto another politics board. Goto /n/, /politics/, /polpol/, whatever. You can only come here when you've read sufficient history & philosophy, and mature a bit/become less emotional.

#notallanglos

#yesallgermansaretrash

You are german you dumb fuck. Anglos are germanic.

We aren't national socialists, we're just blood-thirsty virgins who must be satisfied with gallons of kike blood.l

Fuck off.

The Saxon cocks must be real big to cause this much anal pain.
You are truly inferior. And your royal line is German. How quaint.

Jew please. You aren't going to control the rise in nationalism this time, but you will control how quickly you and yours get tossed into the nearest oven when Trump brings your kind into the spotlight.

Top kek.

That's why Trump is riding the jewish dick whenever possible, and why the alt-kike is a bunch of fag-enabling civic-nationalist infiltrated cesspool right?

The Roosevelts were of Dutch extraction. I do not know if UK labor reforms were pushed by native Englishmen or citizens of continental descent.

Not ours, continental immigrants had no tradition or ancestral means by which to understand the rights of Englishmen or the context of personal piety and self-restraint that naturally accompanied individual rights and individual expression in the public sphere. Greeks, Russians, Italians, Germans, Scandinavians, all of these immigrant groups simply did not integrate into Anglo-American society, they simply lived peacefully alongside us until they eventually outbred us.

Anyone who lives in New England can testify (especially in the state I live in) there are more Italians here than in Italy and they are very loud and proud about it.

Germanic, not German. The German ethnic identity did not exist either when the Angles and Saxons migrated to the British isles and intermingled, nor did it exist during or after the Norman conquest and the development of the modern English identity (entirely dependent upon the shift from Anglo-Saxon old English to middle-english). The German identity and people I would argue did not come to exist as we modernly understand it until the high middle ages and was solidified with the Protestant Reformation where the Germans actively identified themselves over against the Italians and Rome to which they paid their tithes.

WEW

There is a theory that I read a while ago that humans are self domesticating species and that's how we made the move from animal to man.

As a burger, that's pretty accurate and my jimmies are rustled

Say what nigger?
You think you're gonna tell me what i believe?
what group i belong to? you're gonna pin your label, gold star, and belonging-tattoo on this community? You're no better than a jew, if you're not one.

I'm here because of freedom of thought and association, nigger. If tomorrow the pol crowd isnt the best free haven around, i'll be out in a flash. Nope i'm not a libertarian either, you can pin your labels to your anus.

Fuck you nigger. Go to the natsoc (or other jewry label) Party, wherever that is. They need sheeple like you. Hell even jews are great people. What makes you think the world is as simple as black and white, as jew and non jew? Idjeets.

Cool pasta, 6/10.

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I don't understand that pic, burger National Socialists hate their constitution? Is it bad for them?

The constitution is incompatible with natsoc/fascism
Well, the US itself is, it's a nation formed by classical liberal principles and cutting off ties with the old continent

Right, I always thought this was the main reason why kikes managed to completely overtake the US in such a short period of time, people cut off their roots and their roots can only be from Europe. I didn't know it was the constitution that did this though.

No, edgy autistic stormfaggot anarchists hate the constitution.

The constitution is start to finish progressiveness
"all men are created equal"
Nigger we've had about 7 different constitutions in my country, without one we're still a nation, the US without it is nothing

Were all kingdoms before liberalism anarquical?
What about most dictatorships?
Being a Brit/Pole/German/Spaniard etc. is means ethnicity
Being an American is just holding a piece of paper

Europe and all who worship it can fuck off and die.

Quebec and Western Canada anons know of a type of natsoc.

(((Bay Street))) hates it.

This.

Schlomo, I really don't want to gas you, just stop subverting our daughters .

Fuck off, and this comes from a fascist, Holla Forums in a politically incorrect right wing board.

wrong. 8/pol/ started as a natsoc board with tolerance for those the original BO fully intended to convert (the lolbergs among others). the first board owner avatarfagged as goebbels for gods sake.

This, there were so many quality NatSoc threads, I miss those times.

At the end of the day, it's still socialism, which does not benefit the hardest workers. Fuck off.

In NS the hardest workers are praised the most, are you another faggot that doesn't understand what NS is? there is a whole thread explaining it you fucking sperg. So quick to put your opinion in, sage, then leave. Read faggot READ

" This is the stated goal of every other ideology, though they might differ in their means."

If the end justifies the means, what justifies the end?

You don't have to worship Europe to know the CUNTstitutio

n is a ==WORTHLESS PIECE OF PAPER==

Ive read countless NatSoc threads. Ive been banned before for daring debate NatSoc (its apparently shitposting). Ive been saying for months that NatSoc is an untested system that further brings instability to any society that try to implement it. Theres countless sources on NatSoc still being Socialism. Huge state, huge taxation, gun control, anti-market practices, corruption-leaning ideas (well user, you see, this year we are closing all bakeries from those who were 1/8 from being white against the 1/4 of last year, we need to do it for our purer sons).

Fuck NatSoc. If whites can truly be better, I dont need a fucking handicap.

Yeeeeaaaa…

No.

Holla Forums is a conglomerate of political beliefs, with the exception of Bolshevism and libtards.
Libtards and Bolsheviks post here as trolling trash, but are never welcome.
NatSocs are welcome, I think, because they are Nationalists, Libertarians are welcome because of their strong defense of individual rights, but almost everyone else falls in the space between these two political ideologies.

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Not white but Hispanic.
My political views align w/ Holla Forums because I really do believe democrats have a more harmful form of racism aimed towards me and my people. I don't think I can really support natsoc outside of a Hispanic country. I also believe there should be a balance between the left and right, domination of either side isn't ideal. May be for you, but not me.

So many newfaggots in this thread. What the fuck happened to this board?

Haha holy fuck I cant stop laughing. This post is like the best (or worst, hard to tell) navy seal pasta I have ever read.

At this point, the biggest obstacle to getting people to accept the tenets of National Socialism has far less to do with the actual philosophical underpinnings of the political philosophy and more to do with Pavlovian response.

People are trained from a young age to associate the phrase "National Socialism" with all sorts of boogeymen. People's mental processing shuts down when they hear about Nazis. They start thinking about so many horrible things that they'll disregard even the most compelling arguments stating dumbly "well it's still not worth [insert atrocity]."

Therefore, the first step to getting people off the fence is by breaking the conditioning. This process has already started by virtue of the increasingly sarcastic/ironic nature of media in recent decades. I'm sure we all remember the rave dancing Hitler .gif, among other amusing depictions. These lighthearted, whimsical memes do much to soften people's views; however, there's still more ground to be covered. Fortunately, there are a variety of popular pieces of media which contain content that can be construed as providing a supporting argument for National Socialism (The Elder Scrolls immediately comes to mind), but novel content must be produced if this process is to continue to fruition.

Could you provide a source user?.

bump,

This.
Several polls have already been conducted and each and every time, NatSocs/Fascists came out on top by a long shot.

Missed the first post Mordecai?

Shame!

Sure.

WE HAVE A WINNER

/thread

Not when your right hurt their feelings

Holla Forums is a politics board.
may the best memes win.

if one has confidence in national socialism or whatever elements of it, then forcing it isn't necessary.
however, i do understand the dangers of subversion.

i believe it's a spiritual endeavor. it comes from within. the people need to get back to the basics and learn to appreciate the simpler things in life. we need to become more practical. then the social system that we develop from the true root of humanity (the spirit) will be restored to greatness and be an accurate reflection of our times. it could fit the natsoc script to a T or perhaps to an extent.

Removed the cum-stain from the first pic.

bump

FTFY
source: i'm french. True story. People look up to the State as their parent, no joke.

How did France end up socialist after 74 years within striking distance of the USSR?

like poverty and thought police

fuck off, retard

universal suffrage, just like everywhere else

We have the third largest jewish population in the world.

Boring and skinhead tier. Luckily enough there aren't enough of killers like you to go around. Also, I don't support the formation of a Jewish state, because there really is no hope for them .