What are your thoughts on Syria? Do you support Assad?

What are your thoughts on Syria? Do you support Assad?

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Assad is the only force for leftist change in the Middle East.

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old map fam

Very old map. Old wiki 'cities and towns in syrian civil war' I think.

Obviously I support the people of Rojava. The Syrian Democratic Forces are pretty great as well, despite being liberals.

There is absolutely no reason to support Assad. He's a Muscovite puppet whose only benefits are secularism and stability. I suppose he's better than the FSA's ideal society, but that isn't saying much.

This in itself is reason to support him, unless you know of other factions that can stabalise the country once Islamist pigs are dead.

Because proclaiming "support" for one side actually does much of anything.

But really Rojava is the only one's that are even attempting to rebuild a sustainable society in the current day. Assad might have the advantage of all of the big cities which haven't fallen yet, but as soon as they do he won't even try to rebuild it, as he's shown many times. Part of Rojava plan for defeating their enemies is creating a society based on sustainability and libertarian democracy, two things I'm very cool with.

neither Assad, nor Rebels. Neither ISIS, nor YPG.


although I have to say I'm secretly rooting for the YPG to kick out ISIS.

I wouldn't expect anything else from a left-com tbh

He's right though. YPG won't bring us socialism.

y'all are so keen on discrediting reformism but when it comes to Rojava you go full Bernstein.
Wew.

I guess they at they at least GED STUFFZ DUN right?

but user, they GET STUFF DONE. Don't you understand the significance of futile political action for its own sake??

From best to worst:
1: YPG
2: Assad
3. Rebels
4. ISIS

How very Leftist of you.

But at least this time there isn't a group with a few hundred individuals that infantile leftists are claiming to be "THE TRUE FORCE OF THE REVOLUTION"

It's highly unlikely that socialism could exist in one country in the middle-east, yes. But who the fuck cares? Don't you see that the YPG are fighting for self-determination? What are they supposed to do, sit idly by while Islamo-fascists fuck them in the ass and enslave the women?

I don't think so.

So?

This.

Oh, of course!

We can only support things that will surely bring about socialism.

Like, let me see….the revolutions that are happening right now…all over the world…

Nice.

YPG will be crushed, once they are no longer needed.
Same as Spanish civil war.
Same as any lefty rebels not supported by a superpower.

So,
, IMO, it's best to return power to Assad. Syria has suffered enough. It's all NATO not wanting to accept the reinstalation of Putin's last ally in middle east.

Like Zizek said about Kosovo, something needs to be done.

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communists, obviously?

but that's precisely the problem. Instead of advocating for the liberation of the international working class their program is made for "the middle east" while they are simultaneously peddling some softcore nationalism left-ish types in the west are buying into. Communism isn't about self determination, communism is the working class assuming power to destroy the present order. The "achievements" of Rojava are petty reforms compared to what we propose.

Obviously fight the Islamists. But we communists should have no illusions about the fact that this war doesn't represent anything else.

Some of the left, in France, actually were thinking like that.

"Why should we fight? It's imperialistic war." And so on.

There are always idiots in the left, and the right is always there to create propaganda around them.

As opposed to just circle-jerking?

Iraq will be cleared of isis by the end of obamas term and will become a crypto Iranian client state.
The iraq kurds will govern their own area but i dont think they will secede and everyone will pretend shit is hunky dory.
Syria is a massive clusterfuck, i expect the kurds to eventually close the cantons, isis will be driven out of the big cities and only hold desert, and assad, the rebels, isis will be in a eternal war.

And regardless who wins the American election, it's unlikely we wont have, be it troops or drones, a military presence there.

Propaganda of the deed.

I haven't heard about those, but I do know that there were socialists in the UK (and probably elsewhere) refusing to oppose Mussolini's invasion of Ethiopia because Ethiopia was a monarchy.

Oh also, there is a slim possibility after iraq is cleared of isis, they team up with assad and the shia militias/iraq military help clear out syria of isis and "moderate" rebels.
Another thing the news doesnt talk about is that the taliban and isis are in a power struggle for control of afghanistan right now.
Someone on /k/ who if he wasnt roleplaying said he was deployed there and the taliban are working with america to kill isis lol

Yes, of course. Being "Anti Assad" is supporting interventionism in the current situation.
The Syrian Communist Party has criticized the government for their beforehand too western oriented policies and blame Assad for being partly at fault for the result, yet they are smarter than some liberal western anarchist armchair revolutionary wankers and the US backed stupid kurdish idiots falling for the imperialists interest to split up antiimperialist forces into interest groups.
They are fighting alongside the SAA against reactionaries threatening the secular and independent nation of Syria and western interventionists seeking to install a puppet government for geostrategical reasons.

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The Kurds want a country of theirown.
US is only backing them as much as it suits them.

The fact that the only solution is going back to the previous state does not mean Assad is "a good guy".

see statement of syrian communist party, spare me comments that are already adressed

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Sorry for doublepost, didn't mean it.

By the way I'm only rooting for one team in this whole mess.

Socialists are neutral in imperialist war. The conflict between Daesh, Nusra/FSA, and Assad is an imperialist war, of interest only in that it keeps the revolution's enemies shooting at one another.

The conflict between Rojava and the above three, however, is a revolutionary war, and the SDF deserves our complete support.

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That's unless you BECOME the superpower.

Russia had the power. The rest of the world was also in turmoil.

Subjective conditions.

OFFICIAL SYRIA POWER RANKING:
Kurds>Assad>"Moderate" Rebels> ISIS

Notice how Kurdish borders seem to align almost perfectly with the Jewish "Greater Israel" agenda.