THE WALL

Brayden Cooper
Brayden Cooper

Calling it now:

If the wall doesn't get built or very little construction is done:

Republicans will blame democrats for it somehow
Trump will use the promise of completing the wall in campaign for his second term

Wall does get built:

Mexico won't pay a cent in any way
Be a yuge waste of money
Democrats will point out what a shitty idea the wall was
Republicans will defend tooth and nail that it was the best idea ever despite all evidence proving otherwise
All negative repercussions of the wall and it's failure to stop immigrants will be blamed on democrats and Obama
Republicans will claim that the growing economy is how Mexico paid for the wall, because illegal immigration is no longer tanking the economy (despite the fact the economy won't be growing, but that's okay, it's all Obama's fault)

Basically, no matter what, republicans will never face reality and say the wall is a dumb idea.

Other urls found in this thread:

fairus.org/publications/the-fiscal-burden-of-illegal-immigration-on-united-states-taxpayers
business.time.com/2012/09/21/bitter-harvest-u-s-farmers-blame-billion-dollar-losses-on-immigration-laws/
nytimes.com/2016/07/22/us/politics/donald-trump-foreign-policy-interview.html?_r=1
washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/09/27/in-the-debate-trump-shifts-on-nato-to-the-relief-of-europe/
pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/11/03/5-facts-about-illegal-immigration-in-the-u-s/
donaldjtrump.com

Michael Bell
Michael Bell

The wall is a great idea unless your nation is in massive financial trouble and expects to pay for it via extortion of another nation.
I'm a pro-Trump realist

Gavin Clark
Gavin Clark

the wall is a dumb idea

Why? It worked for Israel.

Asher Murphy
Asher Murphy

They can't blame the left because they have majority control.
Trump said he's going to build a wall, he better do it then.

It's a dumb idea but he has already built his whole campaign around it. If there isn't a wall he's going to be eaten alive.

Charles Russell
Charles Russell

Why is it a dumb idea?

Do you mean to say that the wall is not practical or that the idea of keeping out illegals is dumb?

Caleb Robinson
Caleb Robinson

Just look at leftist propaganda; the wall is estimated to cost $15-25 billion, which is a fraction of the cost of illegal immigration which is estimated to be $113 billion. Even if the wall only cuts down on a quarter of illegal immigration it would still be worth the cost.

Sebastian Hughes
Sebastian Hughes

Where did you get that number $113 billion from?

Tyler Allen
Tyler Allen

It doesn't sound practical. It seems more like something to tantalize voters with. Like something symbolic, it looks good when you think about it.

But who knows? Maybe he will surprise us again and it works just fine.

Jaxon Wood
Jaxon Wood

Mexico won't pay a cent in any way

Then we cut off remittances and tank their fucking economy.

Levi Harris
Levi Harris

fairus.org/publications/the-fiscal-burden-of-illegal-immigration-on-united-states-taxpayers

Illegals collect more than they pay in tax, so they are an economic drain.

Connor Williams
Connor Williams

The wall was just a meme.

Daniel Scott
Daniel Scott

Walls work very simply. The US-Mexico border wall will be a very large and ambitious project, but it's not impractical at all.

What is not practical or sustainable is to continue to let hundreds of thousands of illegals free passage across the border so they can come and live off the fat of the land. We must also track visa overstays and put a stop to birth tourism, birthright citizenship, and sanctuary cities.

What is happening at the border is a literal invasion, by any definition, without a shot fired.

Dominic Sanchez
Dominic Sanchez

Thanks for the link, never heard of that org. Pretty nuts.

Tyler Green
Tyler Green

Or, check this out, or, let corporations help with the costs by paying to advertise on the hypothetical wall. Let Coca-Cola have a big giant logo on one section of the wall. Let anyone with the money have their own personal brick with their name on it. Sounds ridiculous, I know, but it's not. This is more realistic than telling Mexico to pay for it outright.

Nathan Rivera
Nathan Rivera

I predict that the wall will only be half completed, and that sections of the wall will become tourist destinations as a monument to the hubris and failure of Donald Trump.

Grayson Miller
Grayson Miller

it's not impractical at all.

I don't believe you tbh

Adam Mitchell
Adam Mitchell

and expects to pay for it via extortion of another nation.

It's already been explained that the wall will be paid for by levying a tax on the $50 billion in wire transfers to Mexico each year.

Easton Wilson
Easton Wilson

Why do you think it is impractical? Shouldn't having secure borders be a top priority?

I remember people pointing out a while ago that the US army has to build strategic walls all the time; you could make them do it as a training excercise. There would be no real labour costs because the army is already being paid by the US government; the only cost would be for materials.

There's a comment from reddit I saw that explains this really well (yeah, i know it's Reddit, but fuck you):
Of course they won't. Getting Mexico to pay for the wall was never about getting Mexico to pay for the wall.
Getting Mexico to pay for the wall was about talking past the sale. If Trump had said "I'm gonna build a wall" everyone would have been arguing about building a wall. If Trump says "I'm gonna build a wall and Mexico is going to pay for it", then we wind up arguing about who's gonna pay for it, already presupposing it's gonna be built.
Then when Trump eventually manages to strike a deal whereby America pays for the wall, in exchange for certain forms of cooperation from Mexico, the Mexicans can feel like they got something.

If you are talking about whether Mexico will or will not pay for the border wall then Trump has already won the argument; you are already having to assume that Trump will build the wall in order to have the conversation about what it will cost and who will pay for it. You have already lost the argument about whether it will be built or not and you don't even realise it.

Ryan Wright
Ryan Wright

Shouldn't having secure borders be a top priority?

Just because you want the wall to work doesn't mean it will.
There is no point in being faithful, it's just that I don't see it being effective.
Time will tell though, lets see what happens.
Trump proved me wrong in winning he election, lets see if he can pull it off again.

Angel Jones
Angel Jones

I DON'T FUCKING CARE AS LONG AS HE KEEPS HIS PROMISE AND LETS THE STATES LEGALIZE MARIJUANA.

Nathan Hall
Nathan Hall

I don't see it being effective

What, do Mexicans have magic powers that let them walk through solid objects?

Joseph Bailey
Joseph Bailey

We built my wall. It's a beautiful wall.
Mexico paid for it by not invading our borders anymore
$600 million
t. 2019

Brandon Campbell
Brandon Campbell

Who cares to be honest?

Kayden Thomas
Kayden Thomas

oh wait. fucking lol.

Jace Williams
Jace Williams

Getting Mexico to pay for the wall was about talking past the sale…..
Great point, it bypasses the "should we" argument straight to "could we".

Logan Watson
Logan Watson

do you stretch before typing?

David Stewart
David Stewart

I hope he does build it. Think about it. It could a really awesome wall. Tourists would come from all over the world just to see it

Nicholas Anderson
Nicholas Anderson

No, why do you ask?

Charles Sullivan
Charles Sullivan

Has there even been a single time where a border wall has actually stopped anything? Didn't keep the mongols from invading china and it sure as hell didn't keep people from leaving East Berlin. There's no way in hell we can properly police such a wall at all times, and it wouldn't do jack shit against crossing the border underground, over the water, or through the air, not to mention it wouldn't prevent smuggling through border checkpoints. It wouldn't even help with drugs, since you can literally ship that shit internationally with zero problems. I once shipped 2 ounces of weed from Denmark to Alabama easily. Hell, it cost less to do that (less than $200 an O) than to buy it regularly (~$300+ an O), shipping included.

Ayden Howard
Ayden Howard

Kenya managed it with Somalia. How hard can it be?

Cooper Wright
Cooper Wright

Can't a nigger jump over that?

Nicholas Hernandez
Nicholas Hernandez

Judging by the state of affairs around there it sure didn't keep Al Shabaab out.

Ayden King
Ayden King

What they should really do is give away large buffers of land around the border to farmers. Then have an open hispanic season where they're paid $2k for every illegal they kill on their property. If they're found taking bribes to allow mexicans across their land then they're given a slow and painful death.

Carson Hughes
Carson Hughes

comparing an urban wall and an ancient wall to a modern drone patrolled wall built in the desert

WEW LAD

Jaxson Walker
Jaxson Walker

This sounds like some shit that would be done in the fucking dark ages. You can't beat barbarians by being barbaric.

Josiah Morales
Josiah Morales

consider ^ this

I'm actually worried about the 60,000 nigger refugees from Haiti
I'm praying they'll leave as soon as possible

t. Mexican

Jose Green
Jose Green

not taking lessons from history
ignoring the argument in favor of saying "wew"

Nice trips, bather in cum

Zachary Anderson
Zachary Anderson

assuming it'll work because it's new
Yeah sure buddy, get yourself a radio signal jammer and see how long those drones are still flying, assuming you mean quadcopters. If you meant fixed-wing drone aircraft then you're so fucking retarded then I can't even begin to describe how dumb you are.

Gavin Rodriguez
Gavin Rodriguez

You know marxists are retarded when they say stupid things like 'Bruce Jenner is a woman' and 'walls don't work'.

Asher Sanchez
Asher Sanchez

Wrong.

A) The wall will be completed no later than 3 years from the time of Trump's Inauguration Ceremony.
B) Mexico will begin making payments on it even before it's completed because
C) Trump will sign the Executive Order forcing entities like Western Union to adhere to the 'Know You Are Customer' laws already on the books, thereby instantly cutting off Mexico from ~US$90Bn annual income from illegals' money transfers from the US back home.

Aaron Harris
Aaron Harris

tell you one thing we wouldnt need a wall if we had heavily armed zealot settlers to relocate to mexican border towns like isreal does

Carson Morales
Carson Morales

OP, for once you show wisdom and are not a sodomite.

All politicians are liars. Including Donald. He said lots of stuff to get elected. Soon he'll find out who really runs the planet, how powerless he is, and won't deliver on his campaign promises. After months of "crooked Hillary" the second he got elected he was really nice to her and Kellyann said he didn't even talk about prosecuting Clinton.

He won't help Latinos.
He won't help African Americans.
He won't stop the inevitable crash of the fractional reserve banking system.
He won't audit and replace the Fed.
He won't build a huge wall.
Mexico won't pay.
He won't withdraw troops.
He will most likely continue war abroad.
He won't serve all Americans (because he can't. Half the country wants different things to the other half. It is impossible to please ALL the people in a democracy).
He won't "make America Great Again"
because it was never great in the first place (almost all nations outside the U.S. hate the U.S. and see it to be a warmongering bully that nuked two whole cities of civilians - the worst act of terrorism in history).
He won't tell the people about aliens.
He won't imprison Hillary.

And then Stefan Molxneux, Alex Jones, Joe Rogan and David Icke will all say that he's a lying illuminati Rothchild Zionist tyrant.

Adam Brooks
Adam Brooks

He won't tell the people about aliens.
You almost had me till that shit user. Well played.

Isaiah Smith
Isaiah Smith

What is bit coin , what is sending cash via other countries like eu or china, so you don't know how sending remittances works… I live in UK, illegal immigration is stopped by helping poor countries economies, if uk etc stay out of Syria, Libya then refugees will stop eventually. When Mexicos.economy has less tax dodgers and grows then less will come to the USA.

Parker Ward
Parker Ward

(°∀°)b~*I think he will tell people about the aliens!*

Julian Campbell
Julian Campbell

If Trump tosses out all the Illegals like you say he will then who's gonna be sending money back to Mexico?

Hudson Roberts
Hudson Roberts

dream on. western union is just an easy way of transferring money. tax it and the mexies will find another way.

Thomas Moore
Thomas Moore

mexies will find another way

Name one.

Camden Stewart
Camden Stewart

Dubs means yes, singles means no.

Is all porn degenerate and harmful to the mind?

Sebastian Jones
Sebastian Jones

The wall will work, who even cares if mexico pays for it, they will though. It will save our economy so much money, and will stop crime helping both countries.

Xavier Cooper
Xavier Cooper

Thanks 🗿

Dylan Morris
Dylan Morris

a suitcase?
srsly. how do you think the cartels operate with their tons of small bills? it sure ain't western union.

Daniel Butler
Daniel Butler

Most of them enter legally but illegally stay longer than they were supposed to. A wall does nothing to stop that.

Ryan Morales
Ryan Morales

Those lazy spics will be fucking each other in their assholes or rolling up tamales..no wall will get built

Brody Fisher
Brody Fisher

but that doesn't make for a catchy phrase/slogan

Jayden Campbell
Jayden Campbell

It doesn't matter if Mexico wont pay for the wall, America will make them
how?
Trade tariffs. Visa costs. .etc
and what if Mexico says "fuck you!" and stops giving a fuck?
The peso is tanking right now so they better give a fuck since America is its largest trade partner

Ryan Flores
Ryan Flores

Trade tariffs.
will shrink trade. visa costs will hit border regions. expulsions will shrink the workforce. that sounds a lot like a recipe for recession. i thought trump was good at money. the wall doesn't make sense except as propaganda.
America is its largest trade partner
america has a lot of enemies, not least in latin america. if the us tariffs or bans the import of non-essentials, mexico will survive thanks to their enemy's enemies. every time the us banned migrant labor, btw, the crops rotted in the fields. enjoy your 5 dollar apples.

business.time.com/2012/09/21/bitter-harvest-u-s-farmers-blame-billion-dollar-losses-on-immigration-laws/

Ryder Phillips
Ryder Phillips

And if he could?

How is he going to get all his possessions, family, car and gear over it? Do you think people flee into a country with nothing on them? If he had friends on the inside then he wouldn't be crossing the border.

stop thinking like a child.

Ethan Perez
Ethan Perez

Do you think people flee into a country with nothing on them?
well yes. like 1,5 million into europe on foot in 2015. stop not thinking before you speak.

Jason Adams
Jason Adams

while at it, build wall on canada border so people don't escape that way either

Luis Diaz
Luis Diaz

I shipped weed
Story time faggot I want to learn for the sake of knowledge

Owen Howard
Owen Howard

a suitcase?

No.

srsly

Try to speak like a man when you reply to me.

how do you think the cartels operate with their tons of small bills? it sure ain't western union.

HSBC. Guess who Trump will be targeting? The bankers.

Dylan Peterson
Dylan Peterson

walls don't work goyim

Joshua Reyes
Joshua Reyes

his economic team is all moneymen.
manly enough for you, faggot?

Michael Scott
Michael Scott

expulsions will shrink the workforce.
Because all those illegal immigrants were totally out getting STEM degrees and contributing so well to this country

And before you mention minimum wage jobs. We have a sizable unemployment rate, thus we have a high potential replacement pool. Employers will have to start favoring legal whites again instead of following diversity quotas.

Isaac Taylor
Isaac Taylor

You go on the other side of the wall, cuck.

Tyler Diaz
Tyler Diaz

HAHAHAHA CONCERN TROLLING
Trump is just lying he isn't running!
Trump will f-f-flame out!
T-trump will never get the republican n-nomination!
D-drumpf will f-fail!
D-drumpf's polls are l-low!
D-drumpf's c-campaign is o-over.
H-hillary w-will be p-p-president b-b-b–b-by a landslide!
D-d-drumpf will never be p-president. ;)
D-d-d–drumpf w-w-won't b-b–b-b-build t-the w-wall g-g-goyim.

Josiah Hernandez
Josiah Hernandez

objectively not working
israelites are always expanding despite how many walls you build

even if you surroundded U.S. with walls, they be waging war on other continents

Jason Baker
Jason Baker

Don't want to start a thread for this:

I think I remember Trump kind of walking back on his "we might not support our NATO allies" thing, yet I can't find anything. Does any of you have something on this?

Jack Harris
Jack Harris

pic

The hypocrisy Isreal.

Isaac Sanders
Isaac Sanders

He wants all the countries where the US has military bases to shoulder more of the cost for their defense.

His argument is that countries like Germany, Japan, and Korea are now very prosperous and thus capable of building up their own militaries.

Jace Powell
Jace Powell

I'm very much aware of that, and that's why many people here, including the local media here are fear mongering that he'll let half the Europe be consumed by Putin's Russia. Having a video where he walks back on his "I don't have a problem with breaking the NATO treaty" a bit would help. From what I remember, it's like with his "I'll deport all 11M immigrants" or "I'll ban all Muslims from entering", where he softened his rhetoric significantly. I remember him bashing Obama for abandoning the central European allies with the radar thing for example, but I just can't find any of this. I agree that Europe should be able to defend itself, but encouraging Russia to invade the Baltic states is also dangerous - and translated Clinton's fear mongering propaganda from CNN and the like is all that people here see.

John Bennett
John Bennett

I'm very much aware of that, and that's why many people here, including the local media here are fear mongering that he'll let half the Europe be consumed by Putin's Russia. Having a video where he walks back on his "I don't have a problem with breaking the NATO treaty" a bit would help. From what I remember, it's like with his "I'll deport all 11M immigrants" or "I'll ban all Muslims from entering", where he softened his rhetoric significantly. I remember him bashing Obama for abandoning the central European allies with the radar thing for example, but I just can't find any of this. I agree that Europe should be able to defend itself, but encouraging Russia to invade the Baltic states is also dangerous - and translated Clinton's fear mongering propaganda from CNN and the like is all that people here see.

Nicholas Bailey
Nicholas Bailey

You can't beat barbarians by being barbaric

History disagrees.

Adam Mitchell
Adam Mitchell

You can't beat barbarians by being barbaric

History disagrees.

Anthony Evans
Anthony Evans

here's the article which sparked the controvercy
nytimes.com/2016/07/22/us/politics/donald-trump-foreign-policy-interview.html?_r=1

here's the retraction
washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/09/27/in-the-debate-trump-shifts-on-nato-to-the-relief-of-europe/

Lucas Murphy
Lucas Murphy

Nice trips, but fuck me you're an idiot.

Lincoln Gonzalez
Lincoln Gonzalez

Thanks.

Nathaniel Gomez
Nathaniel Gomez

HSBC. Guess who Trump will be targeting? The bankers.

Seriously? Obama didn't go after the bankers even though they crashed the economy with no survivors, and you think Trump is going to? He's going to drop his knees and perform professional-grade fellatio on every banker who snaps his fingers for the next four years, or Congress will begin impeachment proceedings 24 hours later. We may get to vote for who plays quarterback every four years, but Wall Street owns the team.

Austin Evans
Austin Evans

I hope he makes it a touristic attraction that we can see from the Moon, that was German's mistake, theirs was small and bland.

Adam Gonzalez
Adam Gonzalez

I love you, OP.

Owen Reyes
Owen Reyes

no argument

assuming you meant quad copters
fixed wing drones dont fit my narrative so I just wont make an argument!

Wow shithead, good job. You also have zero argument. Yes of course it would be high flying fixed winged drones. And also IR/NV cameras on the wall itself. Plus human patrols (creating jobs)

You fucktards don't think much, do you?

Landon Peterson
Landon Peterson

Obama didn't go after the bankers even though they crashed the economy with no survivors, and you think Trump is going to?

Yes. Trump is not fucking Obama. Trump doesn't work for evil Soros.

He's going to drop his knees

In case you didn't notice, Trump just beat the globalist (((bankers))) and their minions in the most important election in a century. Pay attention.

Congress will begin impeachment

President Trump has the White House, the Senate, the House and soon the Supreme Court. Most important of all, he has the will of the American people. All the cowards in Congress will do is ask President Trump how high to jump.

Andrew Gray
Andrew Gray

keeping out illegals is dumb
Don't most illegals come by plane and over-extend their visas though?

Zachary Miller
Zachary Miller

Don't most illegals come by plane and over-extend their visas

No. That's the garbage the lying media pushes.

Luis Richardson
Luis Richardson

Well isn't that convenient? I'm sure its far simpler to cross a border than book a plane flight and overextend your 3 month or 30-day visa.
pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/11/03/5-facts-about-illegal-immigration-in-the-u-s/

Josiah Gutierrez
Josiah Gutierrez

The wall is a fantasy. Trump can't just say "okay, start building it now."

It would take years of planning before the first brick could be laid, and that's not even counting the time it takes for him to gain support from the rest of the government and cut through the red tape.

The only possible way this could happen within the next 4 years is if he did it through his own private company with essentially his own money… and he's not going to do that.

Even if he does the proper planning and lays the bureaucratic groundwork for the wall, he won't be re-elected; the plans will never come to fruition.

Josiah Jenkins
Josiah Jenkins

how about.. just a fence?

Ryan Ortiz
Ryan Ortiz

honestly the wall is a stupid fucking meme and I'll personally kill anyone who says trump should deliver on his promise to build a physical wall instead of interpreting the phrase symbolically like harsher immigration policies

Jeremiah Phillips
Jeremiah Phillips

Of course WE know that a physical wall was never going to happen… but apparently there are some pretty dumb people out there.

Logan Morgan
Logan Morgan

yeah, it's like the ban on muslims. it became a ban on muslims from dangerous places and now he's president elect, it's disappeared from his website. go look, suckers donaldjtrump.com

Samuel Flores
Samuel Flores

OP was the same faggot "calling it now" that Trump wouldn't win the nomination, and "calling it now" that Trump would drop out, and two nights ago I'm sure he was "calling it now" a Clinton landslide.

Henry Williams
Henry Williams

OP was the same faggot "calling it now" that Trump wouldn't win the nomination, and "calling it now" that Trump would drop out, and two nights ago I'm sure he was "calling it now" a Clinton landslide.

Bentley Collins
Bentley Collins

OP was the same faggot "calling it now" that Trump wouldn't win the nomination, and "calling it now" that Trump would drop out, and two nights ago I'm sure he was "calling it now" a Clinton landslide.

Christian Davis
Christian Davis

Why walls? Aren't barbed wire fences cheaper?

Hudson Morgan
Hudson Morgan

There's a board for people like you
/pol/index.html

Zachary Brooks
Zachary Brooks

ohhhh smart
What about an electric fence? I guess building a giant fence that needs powering would be more expensive in the long run than a wall huh? How grand is this wall gonna be? Will it be anything like the Great Wall of China or will it be a shitty "made in the usa" wall

Evan Bennett
Evan Bennett

what if i have no friends?

Easton Rodriguez
Easton Rodriguez

Calling it now

A marxist scumbag is making predictions again. How brave.

Dominic Roberts
Dominic Roberts

become president of the united states

Justin Green
Justin Green

lel

Ethan Green
Ethan Green

notice me senpai

Lucas Morales
Lucas Morales

Who cares to be honest?

Luis Hernandez
Luis Hernandez

Is it just me or is that ladder skinnier at the middle?

Blake Williams
Blake Williams

It's not you, and it's actually wider at the base, for stability, so the narrow part is normal ladder width. Quite common in long ladders.

Lucas Wood
Lucas Wood

THE BEST LADDER FOR TRUMPS GREAT WALL

Carson Mitchell
Carson Mitchell

oh interesting