FINAL CRISIS

Jaxson Jackson
Jaxson Jackson

FINAL CRISIS NOW
Investors should brace themselves for a vicious recession made worse by large corporate debt levels, according to Guggenheim's Scott Minerd.

"We are essentially running out of labor and other factors of production are being stretched—makes it extremely hard not to see how inflation and wage pressures will pass through to the real economy," he wrote. "When the overnight rate gets to 3 percent the amount of free cash flow in corporate America will be reduced to a level which is consistent with what we have seen in prior recessions."

The analyst said when the economy enters the next recession companies will have the "highest debt load" in history.

"The next recession is going to emanate from the corporate sector," Minerd wrote. "There is likely to be a sharp decline in employment and a sharp decline in profitability, followed by widening credit spreads as the market discounts the expectation of higher corporate defaults."

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Julian Price
Julian Price

YES.

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Joseph Sanchez
Joseph Sanchez

There is likely to be a sharp decline in employment and a sharp decline in profitability,
According to retarded marginalists and some Marxists it is the increase in employment that causes the decline in profitability. Why would both employment and profitability fall in tandem if it had such a relationship?

Be on guard against Porky apologism that claims that the cause of inflation is too many people working. This is definitely not the case. I do believe that industry and finance is probably being stretched thin–by capitalist standards and conditions.

Isaac Bailey
Isaac Bailey

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Angel Hernandez
Angel Hernandez

Can someone explain for a total brainlet plz

Jacob Collins
Jacob Collins

You're about to lose your job at Burger King

Benjamin Thompson
Benjamin Thompson

Fug :d

Andrew Walker
Andrew Walker

yfw you're a neet and this won't affect you in the slightest

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Jackson Ortiz
Jackson Ortiz

tfw no more neetbux

Luke Young
Luke Young

Baruch HaShem.

Landon Parker
Landon Parker

ur dad is going to lose his job at burger king

James Reyes
James Reyes

joke's on you my dad's uneployed

Matthew Sanders
Matthew Sanders

Will there be a wave of bankruptcies like Toys R Us? Dozens of Sam's Clubs closing overnight without warning?

Evan Rivera
Evan Rivera

refer to:

Hunter Hill
Hunter Hill

All I want is a third world uprising that actually overthrows capitalism

Adrian James
Adrian James

We already have a stock market thread. Unless you just want to make a new one for whatever reason.

Zachary Ramirez
Zachary Ramirez

the third world working class is utterly defeated tho
t. spic

Jace Perry
Jace Perry

but that's for stock market stuff
this one's for posadas memes

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Robert Clark
Robert Clark

That's what the peasants are for fam, cyber Maoism is the way out of this hell

Levi Richardson
Levi Richardson

Good thing I work at a hospital.

Gabriel Hill
Gabriel Hill

Your jobs going to become literally unbearable.

Brody Walker
Brody Walker

You dudes do realize that the west is more ready to accept fascism than communism right? This wont work out well for us at all. In fact the "liberal" democracies we live in have subtly built the infrastructure for fascism already.

Gavin Wilson
Gavin Wilson

We already have global fascism. The question is what happens when that collapses. If history is any guide, self immolation through global war.

Brayden Sullivan
Brayden Sullivan

Fascism is also doomed because they literally can't win wars. Darkest before dawn, etc.

Caleb Davis
Caleb Davis

That might not save you either.

Bentley Gonzalez
Bentley Gonzalez

If enough internal disorder comes with the attempt to impose fascism, then things could work out for the best in the end. A US government trying to keep the continental US in one piece probably isn't going to be so able to act as the enforcer for international capital anymore, ditto for the rest of NATO. A crash in the west would force the PRC to reconfigure its own economy, since the export market for cheap consumer goods just vanished, and the party there would probably take some action to further curb the power of the bourgeoisie. Latin America and West Africa would go red in a week, all of the American stormtrooper ripoffs would die fighting insurgencies in the Black Belt, southwest, and major cities, the KPRF would be swept into power in Russia, middle-eastern puppet states would be quickly dismantled as the money to pay their subjects not to revolt runs out.

Ryan Barnes
Ryan Barnes

There's a growing shortage of both doctors and nurses in the United States. The feds will literally pay your medical school tuition if you work in an area without adequate medical care for two years after graduation. The demand for healthcare and with it the standard of living would have to fall pretty low before there was a surplus of medical professionals (besides cosmetic surgeons and possibly dentists).

Alexander Torres
Alexander Torres

I'm slightly unnerved, but I still see that the sooner we come to the decisive crisis, the better. The way capitalism has been recently going on cannot —no, must not— continue.

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Robert Cooper
Robert Cooper

I'm still on the job market, lads. I'm scared

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Kevin Moore
Kevin Moore

There's a growing shortage of both doctors and nurses in the United States.
yeah
statnews.com/2018/01/08/medicaid-hospital-closures/
because of record hospital closings
forbes.com/sites/robertpearl/2017/11/07/hospitals-losing-millions/#6472ba987b50
and then there are retreating health insurers that are abandoning whole states because they aren't profitable

working in a hospital isn't going to save you when no one can afford to go

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Alexander Bailey
Alexander Bailey

What to do when times are good so you don't starve and die when times are bad:
1. Don't rent a home, live with family if possible.
2. Don't own a car if you don't absolutely need to, insurance and maintenance will bleed you dry.
3. Pay down debt instead of investing, not having to pay interest every month is a guaranteed return.
4. Unionize if doing so won't result in your getting fired.

Joshua Wright
Joshua Wright

half a kilo of lentils and I'll carefully pick all of the shrapnel out of your leg
Billing will be so much simpler

Jose Nguyen
Jose Nguyen

Also because they don’t solve the contradictions of capitalism, they only keep shit going a little longer by physically repressing anybody who dares criticize it. Even that becomes ineffective once the whole system begins to fall apart and people begin to become dissatisfied with the fascist government. This tends to happen fairly quickly too, since fascist governments have historically been absurdly corrupt and inept. Italy and Germany probably would have collapsed in a couple decades even without the war. If say, America went fash during the next recession they would probably only get another 50 years max before they are back to square one: an irreparably collapsing economy and a massively dissatisfied population.

Carter James
Carter James

BIPPITY BOPPITY
FULFILL THE PROPHECY

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Henry Allen
Henry Allen

realistically though
what will the leftist response to this actually be?
and more importantly, which "left" will be its face and most of its body?
as a burger im pessimistic.

Justin Stewart
Justin Stewart

The thing about America is that its citizens are so delusional and retarded that they could see their entire country regress into third world conditions and go
at least id iznt gommunusm :DDDD
or
idz just a corregdion
or most likely
thisds is all because of those dam negroes un' jewds DDD:<
Unironically nothing productive in the USA can happen until at least 30% of their population has been genocided

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Jose Barnes
Jose Barnes

Unironically nothing productive in the USA can happen until at least 30% of their population has been genocided
This, but extra unironically

I firmly believe that the time will soon come when communists will have to form organizations that engage with the populace as directly as possible, helping them survive in a country that abandons them to corporations that exploit them, and explaining exactly why this shit keeps happening.

Bentley Watson
Bentley Watson

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Joseph Stewart
Joseph Stewart

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Isaac Murphy
Isaac Murphy

100 MILLION WAS JUST A WARMUP ドもホヱぽ淫

John Evans
John Evans

The left in America needs to actively proletarianize the lumpen proles and labor aristocrats, give them access to the experience of working on the shop floors together, going home together, drinking together like the Red suburbs in France or the Petersburg Soviet. This is the subjective experience that produces a class that exists FOR itself, the postwar American subject has no subjective experience and language about class conflict, much like the French peasants who elected Napoleon III (France's Trump essentially).

Wyatt Reyes
Wyatt Reyes

HEAR THEM SCREAM
HEAR THEM ROAR
THE PROLES ARE ABOUT TO BEAT MAO'S HIGH SCORE

Isaac Cook
Isaac Cook

tfw you will never get to pull a Mao and March suburban California soccer moms into West Virginia coal mines at gunpoint

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Asher Adams
Asher Adams

I've got a feeling that this will still somewhat be in vein and they'll start blaming LE DRUMPF for all the ills and just shill for Bernie and the Democrats.

I hate to be pessimistic, but I honestly see the American system co-opting a succ-dem system as opposed to creating socialism, be it an-com/col/syn, Council communist, Democratic con federalist or a Maoist/ ML system.

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Aaron Ross
Aaron Ross

America is a couple of generations behind the rest of the world when it comes to class consciousness due to their post-WWII history.They need to be torn down first before they will abandon their petite bourg sensibilities.

Robert Martinez
Robert Martinez

Also burger and pessimism is appropriate we are FUGGED.

Like even the best case scenario left organization in this country is limited to unarmed youth groups and independent parties less influential than the damn libertarians (and yeah yeah redneck revolt but two dozen /our guys/ can't hold off the national guard). Just move to rural areas in the west and hope whatever innawoods survivalist is playing warlord in your county is better than the fascists. Maybe try slab city, they're all crazy armed cunts but at least they like drugs and fun.

But tbh, the most likely and worst case is that federal-level collapse just doesn't happen and we're all stuck in a permaliberal one party police state with no end in sight until effective state secessionist movements are formed, and those will probably be indirect puppets of whatever world powers are left.

Blake Gomez
Blake Gomez

21st century America's chaos is going to resemble 20th century China's first half, we're gonna have a few upstart revolutionary figures and coup de tas

Brody Sanchez
Brody Sanchez

Burgers are so fucked.

Jonathan Mitchell
Jonathan Mitchell

Agreed, the late imperial Chinese dynasties were just as out of touch with reality as modern American ruling class.

Connor Watson
Connor Watson

It's almost like we need to evolve into socialism…

Ryan Walker
Ryan Walker

But as said, either way things will still continue to tumble the fuck down. Suc-dem won't be the solution, but I could see that it might be a small meme before falling into fascism.

Honestly lately I've been entertaining the idea of trying to move to Cuba if things get much worse here.

Jace Martin
Jace Martin

The worst thing is is that America is one of the few places in the world that contains rare earth minerals. Meaning that they could survive without trade.

Connor Fisher
Connor Fisher

the survivalist who tries to play warlord is almost certainly a facist and you know it.
clapistan has bad prospects.

Chase Jones
Chase Jones

that said, my original question was actually assuming no federal collapse. I doubt that will really happen.
what I wonder, more, is whether there will even be a real materialist, class-socialist response to get crushed, or if it'll be exactly like
says.

Tyler Myers
Tyler Myers

us
surviving without trade
The us doesn't grow its own cocoa or vanilla, and that's just off of the top of my head. I haven't even thought of the chaos that would happen if the US were to suddenly decouple from the global economy.

Logan Gutierrez
Logan Gutierrez

Rare Earth minerals are more common than the name implies. The problem is that most countries beyond China simply weren't willing to pay the environmental impact. Note I said weren't. :)

Angel Taylor
Angel Taylor

The us doesn't grow its own cocoa or vanilla
Cocoa and vanilla aren’t nessicory for modern civilization. There only nessicory as consumer goods. If they were banned there would be a few protests, but under a fascist government those protest would be shut down real quick.

Matthew Mitchell
Matthew Mitchell

It's much less a problem for US firms than it is European or Chinese firms. Say what you will about America, but the corporate raiders have been effective in reducing their companies' debt loads by destroying pension plans and vulnerable retailers. This gives them ample protection from inflation, especially Fed rate hikes. Not so in China and Europe, where corporate borrowing rates are at all time highs. This is where the system has a collective stroke and drags everything down. American firms will get fucked when trade wars inevitably break out (including the one being started by Trump), and their multi-national operations become totally untenable. This is where America's tech sector collapses in particular, leaving a generation of high-tech graduates without any job prospects but crushing student debt.

It's all going to burn.

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Ethan Smith
Ethan Smith

all this amerifat damage control

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Henry Ward
Henry Ward

America will survive because America's leadership is already pure evil and have raided the younger generation to sustain the old. There's not much room for things to drop, the notion of a "pension" has already been obliterated and soon the notion of "social security" will too. Americans tolerate this for some reason.

The rest of the planet, not so much. Soon the rest of the world will be forced to face the truth that prosperity isn't unlimited, a reality Americans faced a decade ago.

Mason Reed
Mason Reed

Soon the rest of the world will be forced to face the truth that prosperity isn't unlimited, a reality Americans faced a decade ago.
American porkies never learned this lesson either. They only seem "evil" because America is basically a fascist country and allows the bourg to do as they please without much push back. I do agree that the rest of the world will have to change to become more like America (i.e. institutionally murder all illusions about the possibility of social democracy with a rusty knife) but America is also going to get fucked.

Owen Gomez
Owen Gomez

At least fascists provide welfare.

Colton Baker
Colton Baker

I'm of the opinion most non-Americans will spit it out and revolutions will occur. America will get fucked long term due to student loans, which will create a new impoverished underclass while undermining the legitimacy of institutionalized education.

Dylan Garcia
Dylan Garcia

Made by the nazsocdem gang

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Andrew Mitchell
Andrew Mitchell

Nazsocdemistan has a national holiday where all the little kids get to drown Rosa in the river

Isaiah Perez
Isaiah Perez

Final crisis
But I tough DC didn't made events like these anymore plus Morrison has yet to write hypercrisis.

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Matthew Edwards
Matthew Edwards

SuccDems: pro-welfare, pro-capitalist, libertarian
Fascists: pro-welfare, pro-capitalist, authoritarian
Neoliberals are worse. To call America fascist is to give it too much credit.

Parker Morgan
Parker Morgan

Well it is possible that more people working would decrease profits, but I agree that we are far away from such a case.

This crisis will take place, like any ther before it, becaue the rate of profit is getting to an istorical low.

Leo Campbell
Leo Campbell

born just in time to watch the downfall of western civilization

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Kevin Jones
Kevin Jones

feels pretty good man

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Brandon Ortiz
Brandon Ortiz

dc
not relentlessly chasing marvel's coattails and copying their "marvel event" playbook page for page
there is a crisis haunting comics, the crisis of capitalism

Leo Perry
Leo Perry

Comics were capitalist from the beginning you loon, the entire point was rich and biologically gifted supporting the system by "crimefighting" (putting down revolutionaries) in their free time.

Mason Parker
Mason Parker

Shit's heading for Pol Pot (Pol Pot)
Society will fall
'Cause you didn't read Cockshott (Cockshott)
Didn't hear the communists' call, yeah
And now much dark time follows
Buildings fall to the ground (to the ground)
I'm sure I won't miss work though

IT'S THE FINAL CRISIS
dudududuuuh dadadadaaah dudududuuuh…

Jacob Lewis
Jacob Lewis

I wouldn't take this dude's words without consideration. Finance and banking porky (primarily central banking porky) has had two faces over the past year or so. He has been upset because he has though wages are shrinking margins, and he has been upset because he is afraid inflation is coming. These are both telling when put together.

For one, they don't make as much sense together. If wage share of revenue is increasing, and thus shrinking profit margins, that means that increases in employment (and increases in bargaining power) are not going to higher prices, they're just going directly to workers. This upsets finance porky because he wants those margins for himself. But you can see the tension, if finance porky is upset about the possibility of wages eating into profit margins, why is he upset about non-existant inflation as well? In fact, we haven't seen a significant uptick in inflation. there have even been many financial articles discussing whether or not we are in some new age where e-commerce and reliance on computers/IT for productivity (whose costs are falling more than a lot of other industries) means that the dynamics of inflation have changed.

Well, he could be upset about inflation because it actually serves his interests in a sense. Even if the fed raising rates might crunch the economy a bit, might even push a recession, it isn't a concern of big finance porky because he is already well equipped to weather normal economic storms and come out on top for the boom. It benefits his class position because the recession drive labor back into the ditch of the reserve army of labor, which porky can use to make new cheap investments and expand his own position.

But I do think we should be worried about corporate debt levels. The higher that leverage is, the lower the ceiling is on tolerance of failure in the economy. If a critical amount of debt is unable to be serviced, then we have a crisis.

Juan Cox
Juan Cox

Prolly the Nationalist Left.

You have nothing to worry about herr lefty.

Jeremiah Johnson
Jeremiah Johnson

Crossover events were created by DC and in recent years they been chasing marvel's tail when it comes to movies but they're rolling their own strategy in the world of comics and they're doing better than marvel imo
Not all capes are roch but they're all reactionaries.

Jordan Johnson
Jordan Johnson

You should pic either socbol or dembol. Socdems are already nats.

Jeremiah Lopez
Jeremiah Lopez

CULTURAL MARXISM DID THIS REEEEEEEEEE

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Aiden Jenkins
Aiden Jenkins

youtube.com/watch?v=5l4OEJ38aLY

Connor Taylor
Connor Taylor

How do we reconcile the notion of a final crisis with the rejection of dialectical materialism as formulated by Marx? It's clear that communism is not inevitable, and that there may be dialectically emerging systems that are not compatible with socialist ideals. Shouldn't we consider Chinese Authoritarian Capitalism a dialectical response to neoliberalism? Why should we be excited for a "final crisis" (if there can even be such a thing in current conditions) given that the left has absolutely no organization?

Brandon Anderson
Brandon Anderson

Even if there’s no final crisis of history there can be a final crisis of capitalism

Sebastian Gray
Sebastian Gray

Fascism is doomed because its predicated on the absurd idea that you can impose a social order onto a people and that they'll grow into it, rather than just letting it fall to pieces and taking the rest of the society with it.

The shrinking margin between the costs of education and starting wages exacerbated by in-sourcing is also a factor. Furthermore, our entire medical system in the US is tooled for the end life comfort care of the Boomer caste. It's no surprise that it's falling apart the way that it is.

cocoa or vanilla
Holy shit man, this isn't the 17th century.

Colton Davis
Colton Davis

It's clear that communism is not inevitable
Are you sure you understand Marxist crisis theory? Yes, the "final crisis" might not be around the bend but the implication of automization, FroP, limits on production imposed by the money commodity etc. show that the end of capitalism is inevitable. Yes, we may all die in a nuclear war in the ensuing chaos but I don't think there's anyway to put the genie back in the bottle. I don't think we could go back to feudalism–no matter how much the elites may wish for it.

Carson Powell
Carson Powell

It's alarmingly clear that neoliberal capitalism is coming to an end, but isn't it possible to consider Authoritarian Capitalism, or capitalism between increasingly feudalistic companies, a dialectical progression? My question more broadly is whether the final crisis as articulated by Marx is materially outdated.

Matthew Johnson
Matthew Johnson

Not really, because changing the form of the state does not resolve the contradictions of capitalism.

Chase King
Chase King

Authoritarian Capitalism
neoliberal is authoritarian, simply with a velvet glove at times

Cameron Hughes
Cameron Hughes

and the [CCP] would probably take some action to further curb the power of the bourgeoisie
the KPRF would be swept into power in Russia

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Justin Perry
Justin Perry

You are right.

Everyone else here is behaving like stupid kids who can't take responsibility for anything and can only wait for things to change without them taking part in it.

Which makes me wonder about the average age of leftypol posters.

Christopher Johnson
Christopher Johnson

To Holla Forums's defense, a socialism for the 21st century hasn't been properly articulated yet.

Blake Reed
Blake Reed

And what are we waiting for? For the Other to do it for us?

And I'm using "Other" because I think Communism for this century has to pass through Zizek

Nathan Lopez
Nathan Lopez

tfw just got a job at some shitty startup

Isaiah Davis
Isaiah Davis

question:
are the people there horrible boootlicking sycophants who rearrange their values and perceptions to render whatever their company does/boss wants as good?
were your peers in school generally like this, except preemptively, bending over for imagined potential future employers?
im going to start school again in the fall, and this is the impression I get of CS students.

Mason Carter
Mason Carter

Well hey man it's not easy. Marx read like every piece of philosophy that had proceeded him to articulate Marxist philosophy.

Sebastian Bell
Sebastian Bell

Don't worry I hear that economic crises are actually really good for startup companies

Probably. See part of the whole thing (which incidentally coincides with the whole hurr marx was privledged xddd bullshit) is that I wouldn't attribute a lack of theory to laziness or millennial not having any responsibility or whatever rather I'd attribute it to two things.
1.) Non-liberal leftism has virtually no popularity right now and so all the leftist thinkers are old and dying out because they were raised in the 20th century, but anyone born in the late 20th/early 21st century probably want nothing to do was actual existing socialism.
2.) Those of us that do are too busied and surpressed by the capitalist machine to do anything. I mean for me, between work and university once I'm done with the stuff I need to do to get by I'm lucky if I have enough energy to actually cook myself a real meal let alone dedicate even more time to writing some political philosophy which even if I did publish it, wouldn't help me pay bills. Your attribution to the political inertness of the proles to a juvenile mindset is porky-logic tbh.

Logan Bell
Logan Bell

attribution ''of'*' the political inertness of the proles

Aiden Edwards
Aiden Edwards

If we have time to be here, we have time to do more useful shit.

Eli Gutierrez
Eli Gutierrez

The whole problem is articulating what "useful shit" means in current conditions. If Fisher's right, then the west can't even conceive of what a different mode of production would actually look like–his dying before writing Acid Communism certainly didn't help.

The only things I can conceive of worth investigating for us, not that my thoughts are worth much, is to forge a new aesthetic-political vision that can't be easily commodified and liberalized the way Psychedelia, Rave Culture, and OWS did.

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Nathan Lopez
Nathan Lopez

Anything aesthetic will be subject to the memetic effect and commercialized given time.

Brandon Gonzalez
Brandon Gonzalez

forge a new aesthetic-political vision
Jesus, D. I'll take a quarter of a Lenin over this shit any time.

Ethan Nelson
Ethan Nelson

what's an acid communism?

Matthew Stewart
Matthew Stewart

Dunno m8, i'm acceleratonist too but i feel we need more economists in the movement, we are for the major part humanities' guys and even if our analysis of the cultural factors seems to be da best of the ones there are now, i'm not very sure of the economics part.

Levi Diaz
Levi Diaz

So wtf does this mean? Hold debt? Hold cash, gold, jewelry, land?
where do I put my BOA balance?!?!

Mason Rodriguez
Mason Rodriguez

Anyone see that ~03:55 EST transmission for 30-60 seconds on CBS NY?

Looked like a desperate call for something cryptic. fucking couldnt get my phone to record in time, anyone grab it?

Ayden Reed
Ayden Reed

into the trashcan

Jordan Cox
Jordan Cox

How do we know crypto wasnt what they made to succeed usd?

Brody James
Brody James

How do we know crypto wasnt what they made to succeed usd?

Jose Evans
Jose Evans

This is scaring the shit out of me you guys :/

I am a recovering NEET and currently I work a dead end job and living with my mom. I'm trying to go back to community college this fall as well.

If the economy implodes while I'm still trying to pick up my life I really don't know how I'll survive. Really scaring the shit out of me.

Josiah Flores
Josiah Flores

tfw labor aristocrat student
I can't fucking wait for the world to prove me right that the dumbass test scores and "connections" in the service of building a resume is all a sham, it's gonna be fucking great.

Isaac Gonzalez
Isaac Gonzalez

I'm so disillusioned by college that I might learn more if all the educational systems just crash and force us to get a education ourselves. I'm not really learning anything, I have to learn calculus by myself anyways.

Asher Cruz
Asher Cruz

what was it?

Luis Flores
Luis Flores

Seconding this.

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David Gutierrez
David Gutierrez

Britbong MA student here, honestly can't wait for all those 'employment skills' I was taught during my undergrad to become completely useless. I also wonder how the Tories will weasel their way out of this one, I swear if their solution is a repeat of David Cameron's big society I'm going to bloody scream.

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