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Gavin Morgan
Gavin Morgan

Is there a way to debunk pic related?

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data.oecd.org/chart/56Db
hollaforums.com/thread/2398046/activism
marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1916/imp-hsc/
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Bloc#Economies
cb.is/library/Skraarsafn---EN/Economy-of-Iceland/2016/Economy_of_Iceland_2016.pdf
streamable.com/iq4w4

Connor Myers
Connor Myers

ain't no source. This could be pulled straight out of someone's ass.

Ian Cooper
Ian Cooper

Most of those country weren't communist in 1938 and no one ever justifies the 90's. There is nothing to debunk tbh, even if it was reals which i don't know, not only that but it actually shows how the reintroduction of capitalism didn't brought them at the same levels of other european countries

Aiden Hall
Aiden Hall

"lol okay"

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Wyatt Reed
Wyatt Reed

setting your economy back 20 years to own the gommies :DDDDDDDDD

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Nathan Anderson
Nathan Anderson

<GDP proves anything
data.oecd.org/chart/56Db

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Jayden Lopez
Jayden Lopez

Muh sauces
No offense but literally worse than any ad hominem argument you could think of.

Jayden Thomas
Jayden Thomas

Stop posting any day you motherfucking retard.

Matthew Ramirez
Matthew Ramirez

This

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William Bennett
William Bennett

No.

Faggot.

Thomas Young
Thomas Young

Look at where they started off compared to the West back in 1917.

GDP tells you very little about improvements in living standards.

William Gonzalez
William Gonzalez

You don’t need to debunk it unless you are some kind of ☭TANKIE☭. Very few people on this board support Soviet-type central planning.

Jonathan Diaz
Jonathan Diaz

This to an extent. Arguing is a lot easier when you aren’t an ML, since you can point to the obvious flaws of 20th century socialism and reject the policies that created them.

Henry Gonzalez
Henry Gonzalez

since you can point to the obvious flaws of 20th century socialism and reject the policies that created them
What anticommunists let you do this? I've never spoken to anticommunists who realize that leftism isn't a singular ideology and that policy choices were made in communist countries.

Sebastian Williams
Sebastian Williams

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William Cooper
William Cooper

gdp is literally bourgeois

Justin Powell
Justin Powell

They don’t “let” me do it, I just do it. When they shriek about how the USSR was in practice a corrupt oligarchy I agree with them and tell them my solutions for avoiding that situation. This is usually followed by autistic shrieking and some vague platitudes about how whatever system I propose will still somehow end up like the USSR.

Jacob King
Jacob King

How is it bourgeois?

Isaiah Rogers
Isaiah Rogers

It isn't based on production or any material quantification, just the perceived value of everything produced. If you produce bolts for 5c a bolt, and then charge 15c for the same bolt, voila, you've increased your gdp.

Grayson Moore
Grayson Moore

That doesn’t make it bourgeois, just stupid.

Samuel Gonzalez
Samuel Gonzalez

In what way is a system that measures wealth not on what's produced but the perception of the value of what's produced (or even projected to be produced) not peak bourgeois

Thomas Bennett
Thomas Bennett

“Bourgeois” doesn’t mean “whatever I don’t like”.

Mason White
Mason White

Bullshit that is used to justify the bourgeois system is bourgeois too.

Kayden Wood
Kayden Wood

Are non-arguments bourgeois?

Jayden Reyes
Jayden Reyes

By saying that objective indicators of economic development are just “bullshit that is used to justify the bourgeois system”, you are effectively saying that capitalism is the most efficient economic system.

Kayden James
Kayden James

Kind of off topic, but finally found the old thread I was looking for in regard to the Soviet Union and GDP hollaforums.com/thread/2398046/activism

Luis Richardson
Luis Richardson

GDP
objective
indicator of economic development

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Bentley Cruz
Bentley Cruz

objective indicators of economic development
Except gdp isn't an "objective indicator of economic development." It's a madeup bullshit number based on what people feel a country's output is "worth."

you are effectively saying that capitalism is the most efficient economic system.
Except not really, if not only because "efficient" is another meaningless term flung about by the bourgeoisie.

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Ayden Turner
Ayden Turner

Very few people on this board support Soviet-type central planning.
2018
being a market cuck

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Kayden Young
Kayden Young

my data says that communism actually lead to 1000000% gdp growth every second. do not ask for a source or that is ab blobinem

Josiah Gutierrez
Josiah Gutierrez

Soviet bureaucratic geronotocracy and markets are the only two options

Aaron Jones
Aaron Jones

There is nothing wrong with markets for goods and services per se, it is only markets for labour and capital that are problematic and should be abolished.

Cooper Peterson
Cooper Peterson

GDP is obviously not perfect, but it correlates reasonably well with the overall economic performance.

Justin Hughes
Justin Hughes

hey retards the problem with gdp isnt that it its inaccurate (its not), the problem is that it cant account for imperialism funneling resources from the periphery. india has a similar gdp to the uk but its per capita gdp is almost 20x smaller. wonder why!

Jordan Butler
Jordan Butler

Yes, but it says nothing about how people live in country. Look at productivity graph . What is benefit of having higher productivity if wages are low profits are taxed elsewhere? indicators such as GDP might correlate more with how people live if we'd live in some market-socialist regime.

Ian Ross
Ian Ross

bulgaria

even in the meme propaganda graph they were still better under socialism

Aaron Robinson
Aaron Robinson

also this. Because of neoliberalism, gdp is meaningless.

Adrian Wright
Adrian Wright

india has a similar gdp to the uk but its per capita gdp is almost 20x smaller. wonder why!

Because India lacks proper institutions like the rule of law and the separation of powers? It can’t be simply because of colonialism and imperialism since Ireland has a higher GDP per capita than Britain.

William Moore
William Moore

Read Capital anytime

Sebastian Long
Sebastian Long

If only someone had written a whole fucking book on this very topic. And then the text to that book was posted online for anyone to read for free.
marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1916/imp-hsc/

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Benjamin Ortiz
Benjamin Ortiz

Ireland is no longer under the boot of imperialism and is now, quite to the contrary, one of the primary beneficiaries of imperialism being a tax haven state.

Wyatt Sanders
Wyatt Sanders

I’ve already read it.

Lincoln Wood
Lincoln Wood

Low corporate taxes don’t make a country imperialist.

Cooper Rogers
Cooper Rogers

( ((World Bank)) )

Dominic Clark
Dominic Clark

Thought I was on /leftpol/ for a moment.

Christopher Jenkins
Christopher Jenkins

Hosting corporations that engage in imperialism and feed on imperialism means you benefit from imperialism. Just because Burgerland does all the heavy lifting in terms of maintaining the empire doesn't mean it's the sole beneficiary.

Gavin Ross
Gavin Ross

Is every wealthy country imperialist?

Jordan Flores
Jordan Flores

define "wealthy"

Wyatt Sanders
Wyatt Sanders

The first column is before those states were ever socialist. The second column is after the Soviet Union collapsed, which lead to a massive economic downturn. The statistics say nothing about the actual economic development of the Soviet Union.

Ethan Rogers
Ethan Rogers

what you are saying is true, I just want to point out that those countries were never members of soviet union

Nathaniel Turner
Nathaniel Turner

While it isn't necessary to engage in imperialism to have a wealthy countries, all of what we consider to be wealthy "developed" Western countries are imperialist, at least to the extent that they benefit from imperialism.

Aaron Torres
Aaron Torres

How does Iceland benefit from imperialism?

Alexander Walker
Alexander Walker

Most of Iceland's GDP is in the "service sector" (read: imperialism). Were you under the impression that some shitty little island in the middle of the north Atlantic maintained a significant amount of wealth through its fucking fish and aluminum exports?

Cameron Reed
Cameron Reed

Source for second picture?

Ethan Williams
Ethan Williams

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Bloc#Economies
Scroll down

Joseph Barnes
Joseph Barnes

I always knew something fishy was going on there

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Samuel Phillips
Samuel Phillips

Thanks.

Jeremiah Nelson
Jeremiah Nelson

fucking over tourists is imperialism
Buddy plz

Carson Davis
Carson Davis

Financial services. They have a tourist industry, but it's not that big. Most of their GDP comes from financial services.

Which is to say "imperialism".

Nolan Peterson
Nolan Peterson

They still operate outside Iceland after they went international and crashed the economy?

Jason Price
Jason Price

I assume. Once again, I doubt Iceland is as wealthy as it is from its fish and aluminum exports.

Samuel Ward
Samuel Ward

According to Central Bank of Iceland, the financial sector shrunk to 6-7% of GDP, down from 9% before 2008. (Page 15)
cb.is/library/Skraarsafn---EN/Economy-of-Iceland/2016/Economy_of_Iceland_2016.pdf

Their tourist number quadrupled in ten years to 1.3 million. That "services" includes all the restaurants and hotels, which aren't included in "tourism". Which accounts for 5% of GDP in direct contributions alone. The concentration and prices of those restaurants is absurd. Go on a vacation in Iceland, they will rape your wallet. Fucking fifty bucks for a burger and fries.

Nicholas Taylor
Nicholas Taylor

I would also assume it's because they have cheap energy (geothermal), because energy costs a shit ton of money.

Daniel White
Daniel White

"service sector" (read: imperialism)

Lmao

Brody Sullivan
Brody Sullivan

This but unironically.

streamable.com/iq4w4

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Liam Butler
Liam Butler

This is still them benefitting from imperialism. I doubt workers from the third world, or, hell, the first world are taking trips to Iceland. Porkies, fat on imperial loot, come to Iceland to further engorge themselves.

Hudson Ross
Hudson Ross

The service sector doesn't actually produce wealth, the wealth has to be coming from somewhere else, and it sure isn't from their frozen rock.

Grayson Clark
Grayson Clark

The service sector doesn't actually produce wealth

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Aiden Lewis
Aiden Lewis

Flipping burgers and shuffling paper around doesn't produce wealth. Sorry. In a purely material sense, it's doing nothing. Hence your wealth must be coming from somewhere else if your own producive capacities are either insufficient or aren't being utilized because you have everyone flipping burgers and shuffling paper.

Bentley Jackson
Bentley Jackson

flipping burgers and shuffling papers is imperialist

Cameron Fisher
Cameron Fisher

wealth is created when human use their labor to create shit
imperialism, through military, legal, financial institutions etc exploits people who make shit in one part of the globe so that the ruling class and people of another part of the globe benefit from that labor and receive a disproportionate amount of the shit being made
we have a desolate frozen rock in the North Atlantic
most of its economy consist of people doing busywork that doesn't actually produce any shit
the shit they do produce isn't all that valuable
yet they still get tons of shit and are one of the wealthier nations per capita on the planet
gee, I wonder where they're getting all their shit from

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