In your opinion, whats the easiest anti-communist argument to counter? Is it the human nature argument...

In your opinion, whats the easiest anti-communist argument to counter? Is it the human nature argument? The "communism failed" argument? The capitalism has been so successful argument?

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Just interrupt them and ask them to define socialism, capitalism and communism and they'll btfo themselves

From their own eyes that could just be a “not real communism” argument so that one is 50/50 on making the situation better or worse

How do you even avoid "not real communism" in general? I mean I'm not the biggest theory-buff but it's pretty clear there has never been a communist society as described here and before communism there is the socialist stage. I doubt most normies know this or care though

You can explain this but the central argument probably shouldn't be about this. Just address the "not real communism" thing as if they said "not real socialism", because like you said most normies won't know or care too much about marxist terminology.

For some reason I get tag teamed with the simultaneous “Communism is Jewish” by Holla ForumsYps and “communism is anti-semetic” by american evangelicals nearly every time one of the two comes up. So usually I get these two dumbasses to fight each other making it pretty easy imo.

Figure out where past attempts have gone wrong and show that you've learned from earlier mistakes instead of trying to disown history. For instance:

The "not real communism" argument is actually several different arguments rolled up in one.

Someone will inevitably bring up the Soviet Union, or Khmer Rouge, or whatever other irrelevant bogeyman to try and discredit the idea of Communism itself with however many deaths they think is the most persuasive. Often times someone will respond with "the Soviet union/whatever wasn't Socialist." For Leftists, the definition of the CCCP's government is an important doctrinal point around which their own theory often functions. Some call the Soviet Union "state capitalist," some call it "actually existing socialism," some don't consider it Socialist at all for numerous reasons, etc etc etc.

The Leftist argument here is both that 1. the Soviet Union wasn't socialist per se. Whatever their theoretical grounding, generally speaking most don't want to just do the Soviet Union over again. There isn't anything that says that Socialism has to be expressed or take the same form as it did in Russia. Trotksy even has an essay on this where he talks about how a Socialist revolution in the US would necessarily take an entirely different path than the Bolshevik's took, because the material conditions are radically different.

2, that by material definition the Soviet Union didn't meet the qualifications for what would be considered "Socialism." They might have been run by a Communist party, and depending on who you ask trying to "build socialism," but whatever the shape of Soviet society, it wasn't anything close to realizing Socialism.

The first point is incomprehensible to non-Leftists, because typically they're eyebrows deep in their own ideology as it is. To them Socialism is Socialism, which means it's whatever they don't like (or have been told not to like). Just take "Cultural Marxism" as another example. Whatever it might materially describe doesn't matter, because it's just a big scary word for "whatever I don't like." They aren't interested in learning about the nuances of Socialist theory or material definitions, because admitting that there was something about it that they didn't "know" would mean that they weren't completely in possession of the truth, and that terrifies them.

This somewhat plays into the second point. Nothing makes these people more asshurt than trying to define Communism, what it means, what it entails, what is required for it to exist. Despite these books and theories having existed in some case for over a hundred years, and that they're the source material for where all this thought comes from, it doesn't matter to them because they don't care. They "know" that Communism is when the government does stuff, and the more stuff it does, the more Communister it is. Usually these people will hide behind "common sense" or some idiotic dictionary definition, appealing to any and all authority except that of who they're actually talking about (Marx, Lenin, Mao, any of the Frankfurt School, etc). Try and correct them and they go into apoplectic fits of "Leftie word games."

Personally, whether Cuba, SU, China, etc were or weren't Communist is immaterial to the actual arguments of Communism–that Capitalism is inherently exploitative, wasteful, and immiserating to the vast majority of people, that it needs to go, that working people need to be in charge of themselves, their labor, their lives, etc.

If you really want to shit in their mouths, though, there is plenty of objective, verifiable evidence that 20th century socialism did work to improve the lives of billions of people, but it's not like those fags give a shit about facts.

Can you give me some anti-"human nature" arguments?