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Jaxon Davis
Jaxon Davis

how the fuck does anyone have time to read theory. Seriously. If you had to read every work by Marx, Engels, Lenin Stalin Mao Althusser Cockshott Badiou Bordiga Wolff Hegel Spinoza, De Leon, Bakunin, Bookchin Kropotkin, Proudhon, Stirner, blah blah blah it would literally take you like 10 years at LEAST.

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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_George_theorem.

Carter Murphy
Carter Murphy

You just do it in your free time
Whenever i travel by train (which are 6h long) i usually spend it reading.
Sometimes it feels good to have trains that haven't been changed since ww2

Aaron Brown
Aaron Brown

1.) You don't have to read every work of them, that's insane.

2.) Most works are rather short, literally the only really long work is Capital from Marx, there are a lot of pamphlets, essays, etc. - you can easily read Critique of the Gotha Program and Principles of Communism in one day, hell, in one hour. I've read On the Jewish Question in less than an hour.

3.) Don't buy the crap about reading Hegel or whatever before touching Capital, only brainlets like Muke think you have to oil up your butthole before penetrating yourself with the immortal hard-hitting magnum opus of Marx - Capital is fucking easy to read, it's designed to be read by workers, most of the time it just makes easy deductions and then explains them in detail. People are just scared of its size.

Dominic Reyes
Dominic Reyes

Marx, Engels, Lenin Mao
Is all you need in this list. Just a couple books or articles each.
The only stuffy book is Capital.

Mason James
Mason James

dude even the complete works of those guys put together would take you quite a while to get through

Logan Martin
Logan Martin

You don't need to read everything. As I've said, couple articles each.

Isaac Evans
Isaac Evans

Why don't you check out a ML/MLM study course? I'm sure there are lists online to get you through the stuff systematically and most of them are designed for 3-4 weeks.

Dominic Moore
Dominic Moore

You mean like this?
reality.gn.apc.org/tp/tp.html
(36 weeks)

Jacob Harris
Jacob Harris

by not spending all my time shitposting on the internet like a stupid faggot

Colton Campbell
Colton Campbell

Sounds good.

This is a very basic one:
reddit.com/r/communism/comments/wisiw/basic_marxismleninism_study_plan/

This is a more detailed one with a heavier focus on Mao (feel free to ignore the gender part):
reddit.com/r/RevDem/comments/61ymuo/marxistleninistmaoist_study_guide/

Check out this thread, very nice recommendations!!!!
desuarchive.org/marx/thread/6890/

Gabriel Rodriguez
Gabriel Rodriguez

Just read Bakunin, the rest is not that important.

Jack Sullivan
Jack Sullivan

Why not ask this question of the proles you need for you glorious revolution? So far as I see it your big problem is that the working man thinks you're all deranged queers.

Oliver Bell
Oliver Bell

Sometimes it feels good to have trains that haven't been changed since ww2
You lucky bastard, what's your country?

Samuel Scott
Samuel Scott

Serbia, the trains are slow and smell but it's really comfy when you sit down at 5am in a train to Belgrade in a empty train booth and just take a corner for yourself.

Nolan Sanchez
Nolan Sanchez

Capital is fucking easy to read, it's designed to be read by workers, most of the time it just makes easy deductions and then explains them in detail. People are just scared of its size.

this. however, you get more out of it if you've attended a lecture on hegel at one point in your life.

Adrian Campbell
Adrian Campbell

No proles give half a shit about any of that, and none are attending lectures on Hegel. They're busy working, raising their families, and generally being productive and happy within the matrix of capitalism. You're not going to change their minds unless their conditions become intolerable, and even then you guys aren't going to win out over more muscular ideologies. It's a fool's errand.

Jacob Garcia
Jacob Garcia

you guys aren't going to win out over more muscular ideologies.
I agree. libecucks will die and marxism will win

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Aiden Allen
Aiden Allen

Coercion will always rule, always. Might as well enjoy economic freedom if the state will always be able to pound your boipucci.

Jayden Wright
Jayden Wright

checked
Might as well enjoy economic freedom
Sadly, we need socialism to experience that.
the state will always be able to pound your boipucci.
That's why socialist countries had conscription. State can not afford to be too violent in long-term if all proles are trained in killing people.

Nathaniel Phillips
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Dylan Myers
Dylan Myers

I have economic freedom now you mongoloid. I'm perfectly capable of making money and spending it how I choose. Am I still constrained by how much money I can earn and what other goods cost? Of course. So what?

heaps of fucking words
You lads have trash memes.

Easton Davis
Easton Davis

left one - 10/10 meme. I especially liked muke's artistic photo.
second one - 10/10 thanks to great amounts of unreadable text

Caleb Morgan
Caleb Morgan

thanks bro

Alexander Jones
Alexander Jones

I have economic freedom now you mongoloid.
Good for you!
I'm perfectly capable of making money and spending it how I choose.
Just like people in early stage of socialism will! Money, in their current form, will be abolished eventually.
Am I still constrained by how much money I can earn and what other goods cost? Of course. So what?
Most of wealth your labour produces is being stolen, you sound like cuck for being OK with that.

Evan Phillips
Evan Phillips

Multi task and stop wasting your time on useless shit.

Jaxson Myers
Jaxson Myers

The proletariat definitely appreciates that sort of thing. Heaps of unreadable text is probably the reason your ideology is spreading like wildfire.

I'm self-employed, own my own tools, and negotiate my own wage. The wealth produced by my labor is enjoyed by the people who pay for it, and I make a profit that allows me to make and purchase my own goods and property.

It's great, maybe you should try it some time instead of moaning like a bitch about how porky's stealing your surplus value.

reading socialist theory isn't useless shit

Nolan Davis
Nolan Davis

I'm self-employed, own my own tools, and negotiate my own wage.
Petit bourgeois, you will be dealt with on the day of the AK

Hudson Mitchell
Hudson Mitchell

Come and try me faggot, I'll be waiting.

Jacob Peterson
Jacob Peterson

Heaps of unreadable text is probably the reason your ideology is spreading like wildfire.
lmao lurk moar faggot

I'm self-employed, own my own tools, and negotiate my own wage.
So am I. I work two jobs - "normal" employment and freelancing - because I do not have family and want to generate as much capital as I can so I have enough money for some comfy house.

The wealth produced by my labor is enjoyed by the people who pay for it
Yes, wonderful feeling. I personally love it.
and I make a profit that allows me to make and purchase my own goods and property.
"profit" in marxist terms is difference between how much wealth workers produce and how much are they payed. But what interests me more, why are you so proud for being """middle""" class defending """upper""" class?

Daniel Gray
Daniel Gray

I ain't defending the upper class or any class, I don't care. If somebody makes good money that doesn't bother me as long as what they're doing is productive.

What I don't like is usury, financial fuckery, and self-important faggots who think they know better than everyone else and tragically accept the necessity of grinding everyone else under their boot heels in the service of implementing their utopian idea.

Jeremiah Robinson
Jeremiah Robinson

What I don't like is usury, financial fuckery, and self-important faggots who think they know better than everyone else and tragically accept the necessity of grinding everyone else under their boot heels in the service of implementing their utopian idea.

So capitalists then. Got ya.

Colton Hernandez
Colton Hernandez

We don't claim that just because you are self-employed you are not a slave to capital itself. You still need to exploit yourself by adhering to the market value of whatever you produce, you are still alienated from your own labor, and experience reification of your own social relations you maintain to sustain yourself.

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Carson Thompson
Carson Thompson

More like private central banks.

internalized white supremacy/patriarchy/capitalism
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Nolan Green
Nolan Green

internalized white supremacy/patriarchy/capitalism
No you sperg, that's part of the superstructure. Reification and alienation are a direct result of material social relations between humans to commodities and humans to humans under capitalism. It doesn't fucking matter if you believe in it or internalized it, it happens to you anyway. The law of value doesn't care about your feelings.

Again, you are confusing us with liberals and intersectionalists. Patriarchy or matriarchy is a result of the division of labor and hereditary distribution of an estate. Today, it's largely irrelevant as most jobs aren't phyiscal anymore and agricultural estates don't really exist anymore in the traditional, feudal sense - I mean, there are still things on the labor market that objectively oppress women due to them often being forced to make a choice between career or a child, but they are not signficantly more oppressed than man.

Christopher Watson
Christopher Watson

The idiots in my backwater corner of my country thought it would be a good idea to tear up all the rail tracks in the 90s.

Jaxson Morris
Jaxson Morris

OP you should try reading philosophy – specifically reading on critical thinking & ethics, as these are the two fields that are the most relevant to political theory

Fuck Hegel and fuck you for supporting him you troll.

Gavin King
Gavin King

people don''t internalize values from the societies they inhabit

More like private central banks.
So, yeah, Capitalism

Levi Butler
Levi Butler

Heaps of unreadable text is probably the reason your ideology is spreading like wildfire.
It's only unreadable if you're a brainlet moron.

Considering one out of three people under 50 and one out of two under 30 support socialism, I think it's spreading just fine.

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Elijah Price
Elijah Price

Plenty of summaries that introduce you to the main ideas so you can read the actual material.

Marx for Beginners by Rius
Introducing Marxism by Woodfin

Read the sticky for book torrents.

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Asher Scott
Asher Scott

That's not petit, know your terms correctly

Cameron Brown
Cameron Brown

Your using this meme wrong, the simple answer is supposed to be the big brain one. Flip it.

Easton Ortiz
Easton Ortiz

Be more selective, no one said you have to read anything.

If you want to learn about Socialism on a tight schedule, here's a tip: focus on the conflicts. Read about the Reform-Revolution beef in the Second International, read about Marxists vs Populists in Tsarist Russia, read about Utopians vs Scientific socialists, the factional struggles of the 20s in the Soviet Union, Bukharin vs Marx, etc. These are not only far more engaging and enlightening, they also help you understand theory and how it guides strategy and policy-making.

Carter Phillips
Carter Phillips

That data can be accounted for by young people being more leftist in general while older people only care about their Medicare and Social Security benefits, both of which were created by Democrats. Not that I necessarily disagree, the problem is that most leftists today are only leftist on social issues, not economic ones. If it was broken down by issue we'd probably find that older people would tend to be more hardcore economic left but socially rightist while younger people economic right but hardcore social left.

Julian Edwards
Julian Edwards

try reading philosophy - critical thinking and ethics
fuck hegel
You were so close and then you regressed into retardation

Tyler Morales
Tyler Morales

No one gives a shit about theory irl. At some point you will get the question 'does it work in practice' and you will have no answer.
Its better to start some project people can actually join.

Lincoln Nelson
Lincoln Nelson

So I've been flirting with Sun Yat Sen and Henry George, what is it specifically about Georgism that petered out and failed as an economic school? How did Keynes take over the reform movement?

Ryan Wilson
Ryan Wilson

As an ex-Georgist, extreme infighting which cost him the election in New York and later To get a hint of how bad it got, DeLeon used to be a Georgist in the party, the ongoing false two-party dichotomy, his theories being mocked and dragged through the dirt by both parties and large landowners (land was and is a big economic determinator, especially back then) despite his large popularity and in the most absurd ways such as:
An early criticism of Georgism was that it would generate too much public revenue and result in unwanted growth of government, but later critics argued that it would not generate enough income to cover government spending
And the development of other socialist movements which focused more on the class dichotomy and conflict then just rent. I still hold George in high regard and his theories on land were later exonerated and affirmed by Stiglitz who showed it worked in a SocDem kind of way by producing the Henry George theorem en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_George_theorem. My main critique of George now is that he didn't go far enough and didn't address the effects of other forms of rent that arise from capital like the ones Marx described in Capital III or the extraction of surplus. I still personally hold that land ownership still operates as an extremely exploitative and critical component of capital of which large amounts and even sometimes most profit is derived from as a capitalist needs only to buy land and hold on to it to obtain eventual profit, as land is for now permanently fixed and scarce meaning someone will always end up needing it for either living or further speculation. I also always keep the idea of citizen dividends for use of land and natural resources in the back of head as well, especially this sentiment:
Income flow resulting from payments for restricted access to natural opportunities or for contrived privileges over geographic regions is termed economic rent. Georgists argue that economic rent of land, legal privileges, and natural monopolies should accrue to the community, rather than private owners. In economics, "land" is everything that exists in nature independent of human activity. George explicitly included climate, soil, waterways, mineral deposits, laws/forces of nature, public ways, forests, oceans, air, and solar energy in the category of land.[30] While the philosophy of Georgism does not say anything definitive about specific policy interventions needed to address problems posed by various sources of economic rent, the common goal among modern Georgists is to capture and share (or reduce) rent from all sources of natural monopoly and legal privilege.[31][32
I feel if you use a limited natural resource that was also open to the rest of the community to use, you should pay some dividend based on mutual credit, labour, product, or labour voucher for having used it (unless this is done with the community as a whole or with consent).

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Jacob Johnson
Jacob Johnson

'does it work in practice'
"Yes."
faggot

Jose Scott
Jose Scott

Thanks, this is valuable. Arguably more pertinent than ever with regards to pollution and climate change.

Tyler Lopez
Tyler Lopez

By not playing video games and jerking off all day.

Andrew Edwards
Andrew Edwards

there is literally no reason for anyone to read lenin or mao or bookchin in the 21st century

Jonathan Sullivan
Jonathan Sullivan

lenin and mao are still relevant.

Samuel Roberts
Samuel Roberts

Where can i it happening?

Ryan Sanders
Ryan Sanders

*see it

Caleb Flores
Caleb Flores

Capital is fucking easy to read, it's designed to be read by workers
Wow I must be a fucking cretin because I haven't been able to get through Capital in 2 years.

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