N-NANI!? FRONT PAGE NYT ARTICLE PROVES RACE EXISTS

David Mitchell
David Mitchell

mobile.nytimes.com/2018/03/23/opinion/sunday/genetics-race.html

Harvard geneticist David Reich writes below in the New York Times. The prospect that human ancestry clusters ("races") might differ in allele frequencies that lead to quantifiable group differences has been looming now for a long time. Reich writes
”This is why it is important, even urgent, that we develop a candid and scientifically up-to-date way of discussing any such differences, instead of sticking our heads in the sand and being caught unprepared when they are found." "we risk losing the trust of the public and we actively contribute to the distrust of expertise that is now so prevalent."
”It will be impossible — indeed, anti-scientific, foolish and absurd — to deny those differences."

So where were you when Harvard shot down the “race is a social construct” nonsense with a litany of scientific evidence?

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archive.is/c6Rdo
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazi_Jewish_intelligence#Genetic_explanations
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4828242/
marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1914/mar/11.htm
revleft.space/vb/threads/157240-Marxists-and-eugenics
web.mit.edu/fustflum/documents/papers/AshkenaziIQ.jbiosocsci.pdf

Camden Ramirez
Camden Ramirez

Tbh the only brainlets that deny race here are the red-liberals, Rick&Mortey tier nihilists, and Antifa types…

Levi Wood
Levi Wood

Honestly am I one of the few people on this board that doesn't deny human biological diversity? It's a fairly straightforward materialist stance and even Bordiga wrote on it.

Charles Roberts
Charles Roberts

Fuck off

Jack Kelly
Jack Kelly

When the concept of race isn't even popular or highly regarded among majority of scientists
When Harvard graduates include McNamara and Kissinger, Amerikkka's biggest war criminals

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Cooper Wilson
Cooper Wilson

Race is a meme, niggers aren't human

Hudson Lewis
Hudson Lewis

deny human biological diversity?

I don't - inasmuch as literally any regional group of humans develops common traits. Ethnic Irish vs. British would actually be an example of this, too. It doesn't start or end at 'race,' and claiming it does isn't following the science.

Austin Bennett
Austin Bennett

BABBOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONS

Aiden Nelson
Aiden Nelson

NEW YORK TIMES ARE NAZBOL

Adrian Hill
Adrian Hill

You know man it’s like capitalism is a prison both mental, AND physical that you can’t escape. *Pulls a drag off cigarette*
It’s like that episode of Rick & Morty with that Daycare facility with all the Jerry clones called Jerryboree. Their free to leave anytime they want but the staff that runs the facility knows they’ll be back, because it’s the only place their bare minimum material/emotional conditions are met, and there’s no way they could survive on the outside.
*Pulls another drag off cigarett*
So it’s like we’re all trapped in our very own Jerry daycare facility, in this weird abstract way man. Its like it’s better to choose the prison, than the cold world that lies beyond…

Jaxson Hughes
Jaxson Hughes

racialism was the default liberal worldview until WW1, this should surprise no one.

Eli Nguyen
Eli Nguyen

Just canceled my fucking subscription. Fuck them for posting this fascist filth.

Jose White
Jose White

being subscribed to NYT

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Henry Hughes
Henry Hughes

Warned you, but just like this thread you were all happier to cry "/pol/" and stuff your heads into the sand. Time to stop trying to use molecular biology to make ethical arguments.

John Morales
John Morales

Do i have to fuckin kill a nazbol in this bitch?

Jose Cox
Jose Cox

Oh well if a Harvard geneticist says so it must be true! Ivy leaguers are never wrong after all.

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Juan Kelly
Juan Kelly

ITT nobody read the article. The writer's point is actually for disproving racist stereotypes like Africans having lower Autism Level than Europeans being based on genetic factors because it's not based on any scientific evidence.

Landon Mitchell
Landon Mitchell

That’s a hilarious attempt at spinning it, either that or the cognitive dissonance is stronge with you.

Daniel Johnson
Daniel Johnson

well the point was also made that even if that genetic difference exists, nonwhites should have equal opportunities

Owen Gray
Owen Gray

So you didn't read the article
What makes Dr. Watson’s and Mr. Wade’s statements so insidious is that they start with the accurate observation that many academics are implausibly denying the possibility of average genetic differences among human populations, and then end with a claim — backed by no evidence — that they know what those differences are and that they correspond to racist stereotypes. They use the reluctance of the academic community to openly discuss these fraught issues to provide rhetorical cover for hateful ideas and old racist canards.

This is why knowledgeable scientists must speak out. If we abstain from laying out a rational framework for discussing differences among populations, we risk losing the trust of the public and we actively contribute to the distrust of expertise that is now so prevalent. We leave a vacuum that gets filled by pseudoscience, an outcome that is far worse than anything we could achieve by talking openly.

Ryder Hill
Ryder Hill

Sorry sweetie but this part
This is why knowledgeable scientists must speak out. If we abstain from laying out a rational framework for discussing differences among populations, we risk losing the trust of the public and we actively contribute to the distrust of expertise that is now so prevalent. We leave a vacuum that gets filled by pseudoscience, an outcome that is far worse than anything we could achieve by talking openly.
is still fucked up. I'm staying unsubscribed.

Carson King
Carson King

I just like how you assume whites have the best shit

Oliver Long
Oliver Long

Racial differences are genetic but those differences have fuck all to do with muh intelligence. Asians had super low Autism Level scores 100 years ago but now are seen as being superior to jews and whites. Really makes you think.

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Brayden Robinson
Brayden Robinson

That only makes sense if you're /pol/ false flagging

Bentley Carter
Bentley Carter

No it doesn't. You don't broach these topics in the public square because they're not worth talking about. I don't see any utility in a scientist giving clout to racists by even acknowledging said typologies used by racists.

Charles Barnes
Charles Barnes

both wrong
The article is what OP says it is + wishful thinking.
archive.is/c6Rdo

Zachary Lewis
Zachary Lewis

they have different features and have different skin colors but intelligence is exactly the same!!!!!!!

Owen Clark
Owen Clark

Wrong, see

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Lucas Sanchez
Lucas Sanchez

Racial differences are genetic but those differences have fuck all to do with muh intelligence. Asians had super low Autism Level scores 100 years ago but now are seen as being superior to jews and whites. Really makes you think.
Read the piece again. Pay attention to him pointing out the discovery of genetic markers associated with higher educational achievement within an ethnic group and the expectation the frequency of these markers would vary across ethnic groups.

Leo Butler
Leo Butler

it's really that surprising that neoliberals in harvard denied race exists despite everything against the contrary

Gabriel Morales
Gabriel Morales

Ah yes the free market place of ideas

Ethan Martinez
Ethan Martinez

You'd rather scientists not debunk racist pseudoscience?

Robert Scott
Robert Scott

taking the bait

Isaac Baker
Isaac Baker

let's only discuss stuff that benefits my worldview
wew

Nolan Lewis
Nolan Lewis

lol hi fellow /leftypols/ I'm canceling my Times' subscription because conspiracy of silence over race

Lol

they have different features and have different skin colors but intelligence is exactly the same!!!!!!!

Like Nords and Italians.

Bentley Young
Bentley Young

Good article. The people who felt inclined to sage this this thread should read it.
I can’t believe this level of wrongthink is coming out of the NYT.

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Wyatt Richardson
Wyatt Richardson

That's not what they're doing, they're acknowledging the typologies built by racists using neocolonialist ideology. This is going to lead to blowback resulting in more people joining the retarded race realist movement when in fact it shouldn't even be getting media coverage. Leave the bullshit alone till it withers and dies.
Are you an imbecile or purposefully misrepresenting my position?

Robert Diaz
Robert Diaz

Like Nords and Italians
This is a good point. Why aren't intra-caucasian intelligence differences discussed more often? It's quite clear that certain european races are more intelligent than others after all.

Justin Myers
Justin Myers

“race is a social construct”
Did you read it? There’s a point where he admits it’s a social construct, but he still finds it useful for whatever reason.

Joseph Edwards
Joseph Edwards

Fedorah tipping nonsense

David Hall
David Hall

Basically the author of the article is saying that HBD is real, but that race is a bit of a meme.

Adrian Robinson
Adrian Robinson

Then you truly didn’t read the article. The entire point of it was that scientists ignoring the reality of human genetic diversity were going against the facts, making them look increasingly irrational and protective of an ideology rather than the truth. That would create a crisis of confidence among the public which could then be exploited by actual racists to make their nonsense claims, which legitimate scientists would be unable to really challenge because they will have lost their credibility and would have refused to study the subject themselves. The whole point of the article is that meaningful genetic differences in humans exist, but that these do not conform to racist stereotypes, and that we need to determine the truth or else the racists will set the narrative. Genetic differences are real, and we can either study them to debunk the racist nonsense of /pol/, or we can ignore them and let those retards run away with it.

The thing about this kind of shit is it doesn’t even have any real implications for leftism, for the same reason racism is retarded in the first place. These are average trends, key word is average. The aren’t absolute, and there will be no shortage of exceptions and outliers, meaning that even if it could be shown that say, Africans were less intelligent, racist policies would still not be justified since they would discriminate against intelligent and unintelligent people alike.

Austin Morales
Austin Morales

That's not what they're doing, they're acknowledging the typologies built by racists using neocolonialist ideology.

No they aren’t. They are acknowledging that human biodiversity exists but explicitly stating that it does not conform to social constructions of race and that racist stereotypes have no scientific basis. The article states this multiple times.

Xavier Scott
Xavier Scott

I've never seen a leftist believer in HBD it's specific to the NRx goons and techno-fascists.

Owen Gutierrez
Owen Gutierrez

You misunderstood. Race is a social construct but different people from different regions have DNA variations. However these variations only quite loosely overlap with race and race itself has no scientific basis. Many studies have shown that two people in the same race can have less in common with eachother than someone from another race if the place of origin of the two is different while the third is near by for one of the whute guys. Some scientists try to redefine race which leads to confusion among some people.

Samuel Jackson
Samuel Jackson

This is a good point.

Not really, but thanks.

Are you an imbecile or purposefully misrepresenting my position?

Your position is dumb, and you come off as a /pol/ack pretending to be a /leftypolack/. If you're not, I'm still going to mock you for subscribing to the New York Times.

Cameron James
Cameron James

<James Watson: Ashkenazi Jews have high Autism Levels because of centuries of selective pressure to be successful scholars and merchants.
<Various geneticists: OH THE HUMANITY
Are we still seriously playing that game

Grayson Jenkins
Grayson Jenkins

That's not how evolution works /pol/.

Gavin Moore
Gavin Moore

implying I am /pol/
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazi_Jewish_intelligence#Genetic_explanations

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Eli Baker
Eli Baker

discussed more often
Because I'm guessing you're an American. After all you lot homogenised and don't have the language barrier so it harder to tell a Frenchmen from a Walloon. If you hear someone talking about race in Europe it will in minutes boil down to racist bantz comparing Russians to apes banging rocks together and Spaniards stealing, fucking, or sleeping on everything in sight.

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Adrian Cox
Adrian Cox

You mean the school that was founded by literal Nazis has a racial bias?

Fascinating.

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Brandon Gutierrez
Brandon Gutierrez

This topic always yields uniquely poor discussions here because so many posters have been taken in by liberal blank slate spooks.
Just look at all the people who jumped into this thread to righteously sage, as if to proudly display their ignorance and unwillingness to even read the article. We don't give such an emotional response to any other topic.

Harvard was founded by Nazis
Might want to check your dates there mr spurdo. You're off by three centuries.

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Isaac Green
Isaac Green

So where were you when Harvard shot down the “race is a social construct” nonsense with a litany of scientific evidence?
The same place where said Harvard proved racism a total dead end. This stuff will end with genetic engineering and transhumanism, rendering, negative racism, bigotry, prejudice and so on totally meaningless and obsolete. This shit is a DEAD END.

Dylan Martinez
Dylan Martinez

Even worse Liberalism and liberal scientists are going to take racialism in their direction. Get ready for bio-engineered super niggers with Chinese Jew Autism Level.

How do the racists win again?

Jeremiah Reed
Jeremiah Reed

Race is a meaningless concept.

Prove me wrong. You can't.

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John Jackson
John Jackson

posting smug anime girl when being this wrong
At an individual level it is unimportant, but at a macro level it's significant.
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4828242/

Grayson Harris
Grayson Harris

What if the reason why blacks have a lower Autism Level then whites in America is because they where segregated from obtaining high education and safer standers of living? I mean segregation ended in the 1960s, obviously it would take a while for blacks to get there Autism Level up.

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Justin Clark
Justin Clark

AT A MACRO LEVEL RACE IS DONE

GENE ENGINEERING IS HERE
THERE IS NO MORE RACE WHEN YOU CAN CHANGE IT MODIFY IT MOLD IT UPGRADE IT

DON'T EVEN TELL ME ITS A PIPE DREAM NIGGA FROM FAIRY TALES TO POPULAR CULTURE BIO ENGENDERING IS THE NEXT DESTINY FOR MAN KIND WE WON'T STOP UNTIL WE GET THERE

RACISM IS A DEAD END

Gabriel Walker
Gabriel Walker

GENE ENGINEERING IS HERE
Not quite. Not on a mass scale, and certainly not internationally.

Daniel Sullivan
Daniel Sullivan

*YET

Jason Brown
Jason Brown

not on a mass scale
Didn't you hear about Soros buying us some ANTIFA SUPER SOLDIERS at the meeting last week?

Landon Perez
Landon Perez

I think it goes deeper. If the only individuals in your gene pool having 3+ children are low ĮQ, you kinda end up with an idiocracy situation. Successful, and educated middle class African Americans aren’t having children at the same rate the really poor ignorant hood rat ones are, so it kinda pulls their whole collective ĮQ as a whole down the drain.

Tyler Jackson
Tyler Jackson

In all seriousness, genetic engineering could open a gaping chasm between the developed and developing world. Pretty soon, half the world might be gaining 10 I.Q. points per generation while the other half stagnates.

Hunter Morris
Hunter Morris

Lol no. Genetic engineering will be reserved for elites only.

Christian Perez
Christian Perez

The prospect
has been looming
when they are found
will be
lol even the couple of sentences you quoted are an equivocating mess

Jose Jackson
Jose Jackson

What’s even worse it that rumor has it, a culture disconnected from Computers actually LOSES 10 ĮQ points per generation, if it’s been previously introduced, but sudently taken away. We could end up with a generation of 50 ĮQ mestizos that entire vocabulary consists of “La VIVO”, or “El Youtubina”

Henry Thompson
Henry Thompson

ELITES WHICH ARE MOSTLY MULTICULTI DIVERSITY IDENTITY POLITICS LIBERALS

MAKING SUPER NIGGERS WILL BE PRIORITY NUMBER 1

Levi Rivera
Levi Rivera

I mean… I want a super niggress

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Ethan Jackson
Ethan Jackson

IVF PGD will soon be affordable to the middle class in the west. In SocDem countries it will be available for everyone.

Easton Butler
Easton Butler

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Xavier Ward
Xavier Ward

and it still does not matter

Mr. Tugan repeats the old trick of the reactionaries: first to misinterpret socialism by making it out to be an absurdity, and then to triumphantly refute the absurdity! When we say that experience and reason prove that men are not equal, we mean by equality, equality in abilities or similarity in physical strength and mental ability.

It goes without saying that in this respect men are not equal. No sensible person and no socialist forgets this. But this kind of equality has nothing whatever to do with socialism. If Mr. Tugan is quite unable to think, he is at least able to read; were lie to Lake the well-known work of one of the founders of scientific socialism, Frederick Engels, directed against Dühring, he would find there a special section explaining the absurdity of imagining that economic equality means anything else than the abolition of classes.
marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1914/mar/11.htm

Aaron Nelson
Aaron Nelson

revleft.space/vb/threads/157240-Marxists-and-eugenics

For anyone looking for a Marxist take on eugenics, Revleft has much better discussions on this topic than Holla Forums. I think because this board is first and foremost a leftist outpost on a reactionary website, people here build an identity around being anti-/pol/. This identity interferes with dispassionate discussions of topics like eugenics or race.

Adam Torres
Adam Torres

THIS IS WHY WE NEED SOCIALISM! NOT JUST BIOENGINEERING FOR THE ELITES!
Bio-engineered Catgirls for all!
Bread, roses, and Catgirls

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Isaac Price
Isaac Price

Pretty much this. The "('race')" portion of the text seems incorrect.

Chase Thompson
Chase Thompson

Bordiga
Well, there is your problem.

Justin Russell
Justin Russell

macro level

Yeah sure. As if people care about eachothers macro's and shit.

Zachary Price
Zachary Price

Its stuff like this why i think my white peers secretly want to genocide me, over some minuscule stat. Its got me paranoid.

Like yesterday, the casheir at gamestop shot me this really weird look for no reason. I mean, he seems like one of those neckbeard gamer types who browse /v/

Parker Jones
Parker Jones

I sage almost every thread I post in. It's an old polite custom in my country.

Like yesterday, the casheir at gamestop shot me

This is why we need a leftist militia in 2018.

Noah Bennett
Noah Bennett

Ummm SWEETIES, the science is settled! Race is real and you're on the wrong side of history!

Kayden Moore
Kayden Moore

This. This, right here.

Kayden Sullivan
Kayden Sullivan

This article isn't saying anything new or damning though. Before genetics were even understood at a modern statistical level you had understanding of genetic diversity, I forgot the name of it in english but basically around the end of the 17th century the king sent scribes to every part of the country and he wrote down observations on all the various differences to the people's appearance, behavior, health and the environment they lived in. This continued until the mid 20th century. There were distinct differences in height, looks, weight, demeanor, hair volume, etc. For an example the people that lived in the dry hills were shorter and the men balded easier, they were all very stocky and strongly built because they had to go all the way down the hills to cut the wood for cooking, heating and building, and they were short and bald probably due to malnourishment, since the hills were barren. As a whole they were a lot more strict and enclosed than the other people examined. Basically, the looks from just the various REGIONS within a country are distinct enough to show proof of genetic difference & diversity, if applied on a continental level the differences are far more radical and this is to be expected. We are marxists and that means we are scientific, and to deny these things would be unscientific. Besides we should especially be strict about this because it is so easily abused by reactionaries and fascists who would make difference to be inferiority or supremacy.

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Colton Martin
Colton Martin

Goddamn.

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Landon Perry
Landon Perry

also fair bit to note my country is ethnically 81% the same, so these aren't even differences between ethnicities or races.

Jack Russell
Jack Russell

People have known about the Flynn effect for years, user, its nothing new, even if people choose to ignore it.
The average Autism Level of blacks from Carribean countries is significantly higher than that of blacks living in Burgerland despite having the same ancestry, while blacks in Europe are rapidly catching up with or even surpassing native populations. The aut-right love to point to statistics while ignoring the underlying causes which are based in peoples' material conditions, even the black crime rate that /pol/ loves to clutch their pearls about took a massive downturn when lead was removed from gasoline. Meanwhile, the crime rate among whites is skyrocketing as a result of the opiate epidemic but that doesn't mean that white people are somehow becoming innately more prone to crime, nor does the fact that the average Autism Level of whites is actually dropping in some places mean that they're becoming innately less intelligent

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Matthew Ross
Matthew Ross

The problem with far right racism isn't that average genetic differences between various aggregates of people don't exist. It's that they formulate these differences unscientifically, and use them to make unfounded value judgements. Even if race were real, their racism would still be pathological.

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Jace Cook
Jace Cook

retards

Eli Gonzalez
Eli Gonzalez

Ehhh??! E-etooo…

ano… user-chan…!

Adrian Phillips
Adrian Phillips

So where were you when Harvard shot down the “race is a social construct” nonsense with a litany of scientific evidence?
The existence of race as a biological reality doesn't conflict at all with the understanding of race as a social construct, just like gender theory is not "debunked" by the existence of male and female chromosomal systems. Describing something as a social construct doesn't mean "it doesn't exist lol", it means the social perception thereof varies according to social variables.

Michael Brooks
Michael Brooks

The existence of race as a biological reality doesn't conflict at all with the understanding of race as a social construct

social construct
noun
a social mechanism, phenomenon, or category created and developed by society; a perception of an individual, group, or idea that is 'constructed' through cultural or social practice

Nathan King
Nathan King

Using a dictionary definition as an argument
This isn't even worth responding to.

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Matthew Brown
Matthew Brown

Is that supposed to contradicts 's point ?

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Thomas Sanchez
Thomas Sanchez

what king?

Asher Jackson
Asher Jackson

while blacks in Europe are rapidly catching up with or even surpassing native populations.
source?

also, people also ignore that the irish used to be the most violent group in the US, the most linked statistically to crime

Ethan Turner
Ethan Turner

It used to be the same with Italians in 19th-century France. The wop-with-a-knife was the nigger-with-a-gun of the era.

Hudson Bell
Hudson Bell

"biological reality doesn't conflict at all" with a term that ignores biology
what am i missing here?

Brandon Jackson
Brandon Jackson

How did you get to the conclusion that the term "ignores biology"…?

Luke Murphy
Luke Murphy

Does "social construct" not refer to an object which is primarily created and maintained by culture, instead of biological influences?

Elijah Thompson
Elijah Thompson

No. You can have something that is both biological and socially constructed at the same time.

Jace Thompson
Jace Thompson

heart disease
A vicegrip on any straw that comes your way, I see.

Ryder Watson
Ryder Watson

Not necessarily. That gender roles are socially constructed does not all conflict with the fact that (let's say) women are better homemakers by nature of their biological constitution. There is a big difference between saying (let's say) men are less emotional than women and telling a crying kid "boys don't cry".

Adrian James
Adrian James

Milos Obrenovic

Ryder Scott
Ryder Scott

In this way, a consensus was established that among human populations there are no differences large enough to support the concept of “biological race.” Instead, it was argued, race is a “social construct,” a way of categorizing people that changes over time and across countries.

It is true that race is a social construct. It is also true, as Dr. Lewontin wrote, that human populations “are remarkably similar to each other” from a genetic point of view.

But over the years this consensus has morphed, seemingly without questioning, into an orthodoxy. The orthodoxy maintains that the average genetic differences among people grouped according to today’s racial terms are so trivial when it comes to any meaningful biological traits that those differences can be ignored.

ok

Jaxson Diaz
Jaxson Diaz

I only needed one example to debunk user's claim. There are other differences as well.

Jonathan Wood
Jonathan Wood

What makes Dr. Watson’s and Mr. Wade’s statements so insidious is that they start with the accurate observation that many academics are implausibly denying the possibility of average genetic differences among human populations, and then end with a claim — backed by no evidence — that they know what those differences are and that they correspond to racist stereotypes. They use the reluctance of the academic community to openly discuss these fraught issues to provide rhetorical cover for hateful ideas and old racist canards.

Henry Evans
Henry Evans

no evidence
Regarding Ashkenazi Autism Level:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazi_Jewish_intelligence#Genetic_explanations

<"Natural History of Intelligence",[4] a 2005 paper by Gregory Cochran, Jason Hardy, and Henry Harpending, put forth the conjecture that the unique conditions under which Ashkenazi Jews lived in medieval Europe selected for high verbal and mathematical intelligence but not spatial intelligence. Their paper has four main premises:

1. Today's Ashkenazi Jews have a higher average mathematical and verbal Autism Level and an unusual cognitive profile compared to other ethnic groups, including Sephardi and Oriental Jews.
2. From roughly 800 to 1650 CE, Ashkenazi Jews in Europe were a mostly isolated genetic group. When Ashkenazi Jews married non-Jews, they usually left the Jewish community; few non-Jews married into the Jewish community.
3. During the same period, laws barred Ashkenazi Jews from working most jobs, including farming and crafts, and forced them into finance, management, and international trade. Wealthy Jews had several more children per family than poor Jews. So, genes for cognitive traits such as verbal and mathematical talent, which make a person successful in the few fields where Jews could work, were favored; genes for irrelevant traits, such as spatio-visual abilities, were supported by less selective pressure than in the general population.
4. Today's Ashkenazi Jews suffer from a number of congenital diseases and mutations at higher rates than most other ethnic groups; these include Tay-Sachs, Gaucher's disease, Bloom's syndrome, and Fanconi anemia, and mutations at BRCA1 and BRCA2. These mutations' effects cluster in only a few metabolic pathways, suggesting that they arise from selective pressure rather than genetic drift. One cluster of these diseases affects sphingolipid storage, a secondary effect of which is increased growth of axons and dendrites. At least one of the diseases in this cluster, torsion dystonia, has been found to correlate with high Autism Level. Another cluster disrupts DNA repair, an extremely dangerous sort of mutation which is lethal in homozygotes. The authors speculate that these mutations give a cognitive benefit to heterozygotes by reducing inhibitions to neural growth, a benefit that would not outweigh its high costs except in an environment where it was strongly rewarded.

link to paper:
web.mit.edu/fustflum/documents/papers/AshkenaziIQ.jbiosocsci.pdf
A genetic explanation for that phenomenon seems extremely possible imo. James Watson is just overstating his confidence, as this isn't entirely conclusive.

Carter Lewis
Carter Lewis

seems extremely possible imo.

well, congrats on proving his point. You don't need to infer genetic differences when you can use sequencing to confirm them with mathematical certainty. You know, scientifically?

Ethan Gutierrez
Ethan Gutierrez

All this is still incredibly circumstantial. Call me when you find something that actually shows a causal link, instead of jumping to conclusions from correlation

Josiah Cook
Josiah Cook

I agree. The claims of hereditarians need to be born out by GWAS. Everyone should be more or less agnostic on this issue.
The thing is, polite liberal society is not agnostic, they believe dogmatically in blank slate spooks. Biological determinism undermines the theoretical meritocracy which they use to justify capitalism. This is why James Watson is called a racist for claiming things which are certainly possible (and imo probable). Liberals unduly reject hereditarianism because it indicts their entire economic system.

Dominic Moore
Dominic Moore

No one here denies race you retard, it's the concept of abolishing race we believe in.

Ian Morales
Ian Morales

That literally does not appear in the article you lying little rat.

Brayden Johnson
Brayden Johnson

framing all vegetarians as "liberals"
genuinely triggered

Bentley Gutierrez
Bentley Gutierrez

Burgerland blacks have different ancestry than caribbean blacks, learn your shit user

Jonathan Howard
Jonathan Howard

I think capitalists use race and often biology in order to cover up problem created by them.
In my country there's an area where toxic products were dumped after mining for metal
the children had -5 i.q. points average compared to neighboring areas. My university did a study on the best way to cover these waste in order not to cause problems and publiced it. Even though we tried to cause noice the government completely ignored us. Even today infant mortality is way higher there and the I.Q is dropping
i can imagine a journalist or "an expert" telling people that there's no cause of worry and that those people living there are naturally dumber and probably deserve getting sick and dying young

Henry Hernandez
Henry Hernandez

"It is true that race is a social construct. It is also true, as Dr. Lewontin wrote, that human populations “are remarkably similar to each other” from a genetic point of view."

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Brandon Thompson
Brandon Thompson

For example, my laboratory discovered in 2016, based on our sequencing of ancient human genomes, that “whites” are not derived from a population that existed from time immemorial, as some people believe. Instead, “whites” represent a mixture of four ancient populations that lived 10,000 years ago and were each as different from one another as Europeans and East Asians are today.

Kayden Hernandez
Kayden Hernandez

An abiding challenge for our civilization is to treat each human being as an individual and to empower all people, regardless of what hand they are dealt from the deck of life. Compared with the enormous differences that exist among individuals, differences among populations are on average many times smaller, so it should be only a modest challenge to accommodate a reality in which the average genetic contributions to human traits differ.

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