Why are leftists so weak?

Kayden Martin
Kayden Martin

The right is winning, let's do some math:
(1) Trump's election.
(2) Brexit.
(3) Italy has moved right.
(4) Austria has moved right
(5) Poland + Hungary are right.
(6) the right has made parlimentary gains in Germany (of all places)+ France+ Holland & Sweden in September.

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Jackson Anderson
Jackson Anderson

Ok, so tell me, who destroyed fascism again?

Dominic Nelson
Dominic Nelson

Every single other election was won by leftists. All of the world laughs now at drumpf and brits and the next election american congress will be full of democrats.

Connor Morales
Connor Morales

Ehm the conservative right wing governments of the U.S & U.K?

Nicholas Garcia
Nicholas Garcia

bait

Julian Clark
Julian Clark

maintaining the status quo = the right winning
You don't say

Jaxon Jones
Jaxon Jones

and none of those are, will bring about, or will lead to any real success for facism, white nationalism, nazism, etc.
you have no more chance of real change than we do. you're trapped in the belly of the machine right alongside us.

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Jeremiah Clark
Jeremiah Clark

But, you're missing the point.
The left is losing ground, the right is gaining. Explain.

Jaxon Johnson
Jaxon Johnson

pol still genuinely believes Trump's election is helping them

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Joshua Davis
Joshua Davis

5) Poland + Hungary are right.
These are 3rd world countries who live on EU life support.
(6) the right has made parlimentary gains in Germany
Liberal Merkel was elected.
(of all places)+
France+
Liberal Macron won.
Holland & Sweden in September.
AHAHAHAHAHAH this is really what you think when a literal socialist is prime minister of Sweden despite muh refugees.

Brayden Myers
Brayden Myers

And Trump turned out to be just another establishment neocon. WINNING
kept troops in Afghanistan
has 2000 troops on Syrian soil
appoints John Bolton
Zionist
wall got btfo again in new budget

Charles Perez
Charles Perez

Did you even read my post?
I said gained, Merkel win months ago yet was only able to form a government couple of weeks ago.

Again macron won but even he's had to admit leftists policies have been an abject failure that has destabilized the continent of Europe.

Like one of the reasons Europeans are so willing to try the right is because leftist policies have broken up the continent.

Explain how you're winning?

Brayden Harris
Brayden Harris

Tell me how your winning?

Jackson Watson
Jackson Watson

leftists policies
I didn't know the proletariat owned the MoP in Europe.

Nicholas Peterson
Nicholas Peterson

I was being sarcastic, Trump is shit

John Sullivan
John Sullivan

everyone left of Hitler is le cuck, establishment conservatives will be hanged next to the jews and the niggers, we are revolutionary nazis not cuckservatives
we are winning because uhh the US got a pro-Israeli republican president and some mainstream rightists did okay in european elections
really seizes my means

Gabriel Davis
Gabriel Davis

This is very sort sighted view. Right wing populist had landslide victory (23%) in Finland. After they got power in goverment everybody could see how incompetent and stupid they are and now have only 7% support left. Hungary and Poland are special cases because of their poverty.

Michael Sullivan
Michael Sullivan

But none of you are addressing the fact leftist policy have destabilized Europe

Jack Morris
Jack Morris

To all the dumb fucks not saging, sage ffs. Fucking hell

Justin Harris
Justin Harris

/pol/ is overthrowing the jewish dynasty as trump gets a shekel with his face on it
/pol/ is overthrowing the republican dynasty by operating in complete service for them
/pol/ is overthrowing the democratic dynasty by disliking anita sarkeesian videos

Ryan Sanders
Ryan Sanders

leftist policy
What country in Europe has seized the means of production?

Brandon Perez
Brandon Perez

Why?
Like if your arguments are good & hold up to scrutiny then debate me?

Like I train, & teach young classes, when training we realize bag/pad work is good but only for technique & fitness, for them to get really good they have to spar.
Why can't you do the same?

Tyler Sanders
Tyler Sanders

Massive 3rd world immigration is not leftist and let's face it, once that's no longer an issue, *any* support the Right has will evaporate.

Andrew Edwards
Andrew Edwards

leftist policy have destabilized Europe
top kek. which one?

Chase Watson
Chase Watson

neoliberalism is left wing

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Angel Jackson
Angel Jackson

Only thing destabilizing Europe is right wing nationalism that is a tool for Russia to destroy European NATO/EU alliance. Divide and conquer.

Eli Green
Eli Green

But it's only implemented by social Democratic parties, so how is not leftist?

Like the right wing is not calling for it.

Jaxon Butler
Jaxon Butler

(3) Italy has moved right.

Italian here. This isn't news. Italian have always been politically right.

Ian Long
Ian Long

establishment politicians and capitalists flooding Europe with refugees is leftism

Brandon Perez
Brandon Perez

Its centrist and extreme right wing is monarchism/fascism.

Connor Mitchell
Connor Mitchell

You keep saying fascism but that political thought was brought about by a Italian Socialist

Christian Williams
Christian Williams

Mass immigration

Jeremiah Turner
Jeremiah Turner

socialism is when the guy running things says he's a socialist
seacows are cows who swim in the sea

Nicholas Fisher
Nicholas Fisher

When you read a book you understand that words can have different meanings depending on its context and users. To a leftist fascism means something else than /pol/yp memes.

Brandon Collins
Brandon Collins

Sorry mate not catching your drift

Luis Wilson
Luis Wilson

Okay. I'll bite. How exactly did you arrive at the conclusion that mass immigration is a "leftist policy"?

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Jayden Walker
Jayden Walker

macron won but even he's had to admit leftists policies have been an abject failure
even he
fam you're straight up retarded if you think macron is anywhere near the left
he's firmly on the right

Tyler Flores
Tyler Flores

See this is another leftist thing, constantly redefining terms/language.

It's the equivalent of someone who believes in the Bible using the Bible to debate a atheist.
The atheist doesn't believe in the Bible so what's the point in doing it?
Have to use common agreed upon language in order to communicate

Chase Williams
Chase Williams

How is every drive-by /pol/ack so fucking dumb that they think Europe is left.

Ian Martinez
Ian Martinez

So are you saying that the other guy who used macron to debunk me is wrong?

Nathan Gonzalez
Nathan Gonzalez

See this is another leftist thing, constantly redefining terms/language.
The thingy about /pol/yps is that they are so retarded that they think every word has only one meaning.

Michael Powell
Michael Powell

what lol? hitler and the nazi party (both then and now) have proclaimed that they're socialist too. does that make /pol/ a bunch of commies? we're not ~redefining terms and language~. that is literally what you're doing by implying these disingenuous propagandists calling themselves socialists to gain political clout with the working class is real socialism even if it doesn't reflect any socialist theory that came beforehand whatsoever.

Logan Morris
Logan Morris

Social democracy which means left.
I also it anyway one not Marx or Lenin doesn't qualify as left enough for you?

Andrew Hill
Andrew Hill

China allowed for free economic zones within their nation
China's ran by a """"communist"""" party.
Therefore, if you disagree with capitalism, you also disagree with communism!!!!!!!!!!!
Just because X party, with Y leaning or Z name or B history, does something, doesn't mean that it is automatically representative of the ideaolgy as a whole.

Oliver Long
Oliver Long

social democracy is just capitalism with more government programs for poor people. it literally isn't socialism

i like how /pol/ keeps flipflopping between socialism being minor socdem concessions and hyper-stalinist gulag land and then cries at us for redefining terms and language

Logan Anderson
Logan Anderson

It's very simple. 'The Left' is failing to demonstrate its value to the majority of the electorate. Having your friends agree with you vigorously inside your bubble doesn't mean a god damned thing if it's just the people inside your bubble agreeing with you. The left, such as it is today, is largely responsible for the majority of the things that many people across the world see as 'the big problem' of this generation, and the right is seen as the only ones even trying to provide solutions. You may not agree with their assessment, but that doesn't really matter to them when they're stood in the solitude of the voting booth.
<Remember:
<The overwhelming majority of any population do not give a shit about ideology, or philosophy, or theory.
<The overwhelming majority of people on this planet only really care about maintaining or improving their quality of life, and whether or not you appear to be trying to help or trying to stop them.
<The left appears to have gone out of its way to persuade large numbers of people that it doesn't give a shit about their concerns (for any number of reasons) and so are largely seen as "the bastards trying to shit everything up for the rest of us"
<For as long as a person sees you as trying to prevent what they see as the most beneficial course for them they will see you as the bastard who declared war on them.

Brandon Perry
Brandon Perry

Actually no I agree with you, Hitler was leftist, he nationalized the means of production by proxy, using state owned companies & he ended freedom of speech.
Up until the 70s it was widely accepted that the Nazis were of the left, then the Frankfurt school decided it was bad PR in
Began petitioning academia to begin saying the were right wing.

The only right wing values the Nazis had we're nationalism & that the traditional family should be the staple of society

Dominic Mitchell
Dominic Mitchell

>Implying social democracy is a bad thing
Oy vey we god a commie jew.

Zachary Lee
Zachary Lee

you'd have to be under 1,000 layers of ideology to only want to "maintain your quality of life" regardless of what that means or implies

Hudson Howard
Hudson Howard

Well done, you actually seem like you're able to actually see what's going on.

Jackson Watson
Jackson Watson

Liberalism is right wing but traditional conservatism (the european one with dictatorship and extreme nationalism) is far right. Liberal democracy is left wing compared to this.

Levi Richardson
Levi Richardson

nazis did nothing but privatize though. the word "privatize" was literally invented to describe what was happening in germany when the nazis were in power. you have no idea what you are talking about

Michael Reed
Michael Reed

*privatization

Gabriel Rogers
Gabriel Rogers

Meaningless drivel
Would you like to try again?

Lincoln Jackson
Lincoln Jackson

It's not being implemented or called for. It's an organic result of uneven global development, regional destabilization largely due to the imperial activities of the west, and the increasing pressures of climate change. It's looked upon favorably by the neoliberal technocrats of Europe, who may or may not call themselves social democrats, as it injects cheap labor onto the market which can be used to further erode the gains of the post-war welfare state and it aligns nicely with their cosmopolitan pseudo tolerant worldview.

Noah Scott
Noah Scott

Hitler was leftist
Yes, that hip new thing all the Liberals are advocating for is squashing Union and Labour rights, killing commies and re-affirming the nuclear family unit.

Wyatt Jones
Wyatt Jones

Winning.

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Henry Lopez
Henry Lopez

No you don't know what you're talking about, he seized the means of production by proxy under state owned companies.
SOCIALIST

Brayden Peterson
Brayden Peterson

What makes you think I don't? So you are just gonna assume how I am and what I do? Idk about the rest of Holla Forums but I myself work out, so you just assume I'm a no life and that you are so much better cause you "train and teach young classes"

Tyler Thompson
Tyler Thompson

Winning

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Juan Bell
Juan Bell

Yes, what a great socialist hitler was… which is why he killed all the actual socialists?

Michael Parker
Michael Parker

liberal != leftist
he debunked your claim that the right (AKA Le Pen) was winning
Macron is neither left nor your flavor of right, he's economically very right wing and socially liberal (with some weird royalty fetish)

Kayden Phillips
Kayden Phillips

But it is being implemented & called for.
Go on YouTube & look at politicians speeches & Lefty's marching with signs saying"migrants welcome"

It's there in plain sight in front of you.

So far on my time here I've seen 1 poster who seems to grasp what's going on & how the right are the only ones offering solutions.

William Sanchez
William Sanchez

No he killed Communists.
He hated them & their international ideas.

Angel James
Angel James

Socialism is when the government does stuff and the more stuff it does the socialister it is, etc.

Joshua Clark
Joshua Clark

Nazi Germany privatized the largest banks and railway companies in Germany. Along with vast swaths of the shipping industry.

Evan Edwards
Evan Edwards

Yes he "privatized" by proxy, they were government owned companies.

Jonathan Lewis
Jonathan Lewis

FFS STOP BUMPING THIS BAIT SHIT YOU FUCKING MONGOLTARDS MY GOD jesus fucking christ

Aiden Sanchez
Aiden Sanchez

Why what's your problem we're having a healthy discussion.

Let me guess, you're Antifa right?

Gabriel Kelly
Gabriel Kelly

drumpf
democrats
a win for leftists
You're shit at falseflagging, /pol/

Adam Carter
Adam Carter

The baboons are going back, baby!

Dominic Perry
Dominic Perry

How'd yeh mean?

Andrew Stewart
Andrew Stewart

Liberals are not left-wing, Democrats belong in the same mass grave as Republicans do. hth

Connor Gutierrez
Connor Gutierrez

Democrats dont even count as socdems but they are still better option than le drumpf meme.

Leo Collins
Leo Collins

So let me guess, you're communist or anarchist?

Luis Jackson
Luis Jackson

le lesser evil option maymay
Shut the fuck up, liberal.

Kevin Kelly
Kevin Kelly

Bullshit. There was pretty much nothing socialist about the Nazi regime. HITLER INVENTED PRIVATIZATION.

ub.edu/graap/nazi.pdf

Mussolini USED TO be a socialist in his younger years. The Doctrine of Fascism EXPLICITLY REJECTED SOCIALISM AND MARX.

Tyler Martinez
Tyler Martinez

Go on YouTube & look at politicians speeches & Lefty's marching with signs saying"migrants welcome"

those are liberals not leftists

what is the night of the long knives

Samuel Parker
Samuel Parker

Government firms have existed throughout the entire history of capitalism.

Blake Sullivan
Blake Sullivan

I'm not being smart but you're showing your ignorance a bit there.
So Mussolini didn't actually come up with fascism, he seized on it when it was already developed

Aiden Peterson
Aiden Peterson

Your reasoning there basically amounts to "I'm not familiar with this use of XYZ term, therefore you're changing the definition." That's completely fallacious.

Jonathan Hughes
Jonathan Hughes

they were government owned companies
Which the Nazi government sold their controlling shares of and relinquished control to private investors.

Connor Williams
Connor Williams

It all leads to jewish supremacy. The supremacy you cucks pretend doesnt exist.

Dominic Wilson
Dominic Wilson

Revolutionary communism is not a realistical option in any 1st world country and if i have to pick sides between social democrats or liberals/conservatives i always pick the most left wing one.

Ayden Long
Ayden Long

No they didn't.
Look I know this a hard pill to swallow, but the Nazis were Socialist.
Look I debate people on /pol/ about this all the time & thankfully more & more are recognizing that at the end of the day, as much as some love him, Hitler was a Socialist. Oddly enough it's equally hard for them to accept as alot of you leftys

Benjamin Martin
Benjamin Martin

You are ok if your own nationality fuck your wife and use you as a slave?

Matthew Torres
Matthew Torres

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Nazi_Germany

The changes included privatization of state industries, autarky, and tariffs on imports.

Earlier, Hitler had restated his economic intentions in a 1931 interview with Richard Breiting, singling out the 13 point plank of the Not Socialist 25-point program, which he declared “demands the nationalisation of all public companies, in other words socialisation, or what is known here as socialism.”[45] Hitler however contradicted this with privatization of industries

Although the Nazi Party election programs supported nationalization of major industries, the Nazi government contradicted this program by including several actual policies of privatization in the 1930s.

Meanwhile, the Nazis replaced the existing trade unions with the German Labour Front, controlled by the Party. The Not Socialists banned strikes, sacks and lockouts, essentially nationalizing the independent labor movement.[64][65] Furthermore, under Nazi “Germany the official unions have been made compulsory by law”, forcing every worker to join Hitler’s state-owned labor union.[66] This Party-run entity's stated goal was not to protect workers, but to increase output.[67]

TL;DR Hitler was at most a welfare state capitalist. And no, the presence of a welfare state does not automatically mean "socialism"

Jack Wood
Jack Wood

Healthy discussion? Healthy? This? Ok, if you aren't being ironic, you are actually retarded

Charles Hughes
Charles Hughes

Hitler was a socialist, because it fits my own loose, vague and imprecise definition of socialism that basically just means "whenever the government does stuff"

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Zachary Cox
Zachary Cox

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Brody Clark
Brody Clark

🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧genetic fallacy🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧

Anthony Miller
Anthony Miller

LITERALLY ANYONE here is either a communist or an anarchist, you massive fucking retard. Holy fucking, can't even troll properly, please fuck off back to /pol/, you dumb fuck

Gabriel Rodriguez
Gabriel Rodriguez

Wikipedia?
Seriously?
I can go on that now & edit it.
Wikipedia is hardly a scholarly source.
Like I said when the Frankfurt school decided it was bad PR for the Nazis to be identified with the left, the left began doing mental gymnastics to disavow them

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Jose Rogers
Jose Rogers

pls be a joke

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Andrew Robinson
Andrew Robinson

Thing is I'm not actually trolling.
Having sincere discussion.
Like if you're a Communist, then WHY DON'T YOU FUCK OFF TO NORTH KOREA OR VENEZUELA & LEAVE THE REST OF US IN FUCKIN PEACE!!!

Chase Wright
Chase Wright

Then provide your sources saying Hitler was socialist, also that quote wasn't said by Hitler, it was said by Gregor Asser, who was part of the left wing of the nazi party, and Hitler had him killed btw, so if Hitler killed people of the leftwing of nazism, imagine what he did to actual socialists.

Jack James
Jack James

Then fuck off to austria maybe? Dumb nigger

Luis Hill
Luis Hill

Sure thing buddy.
You drown in here either way.

Dylan Price
Dylan Price

Posts a Asser quote, a man who was killed by Hitler for being too left leaning.
OH THE IRONY

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Jordan Bell
Jordan Bell

It's objective truth that Nazi Germany had wide-reaching privatization programs, at a time when even the most capitalist nations of the world were averse to the practice. It is also objective fact that large capitalists existed in Germany and were influential, like Krupp. The means of production didn't belong to the workers, in fact labor unions were crushed in Nazi Germany, and replaced with a pro-Nazi front.

Private property existed in Germany, means of production weren't seized, worker movements were repressed, capitalists were powerful.

Your argument meanwhile is literally covering your ears and going "nuh uh, you're ignorant"

Asher Russell
Asher Russell

Jeezus, the cognitive dissonance.
Ever read transcripts from Nuremberg???

I suppose he didn't say those either??

Gavin Ward
Gavin Ward

An unsourced /pol/ meme is an even worse source. At least with Wikipedia, you can find a source.

Also, that wasn't said by Hitler, that was said by Gregor Asser. Do your homework instead of relying on memes for your information

Also, here's an academic source. ub.edu/graap/nazi.pdf

despite the rationing and licensing activities of the state, still had ample
scope to devise their own production and investment profiles. Even regarding
war-related projects, freedom of contract was generally respected; instead of using
power, the state offered firms a number of contract options to choose from. There
were several motives behind this attitude of the regime, among them the conviction
that private property provided important incentives for increasing efficiency.

Thomas Cruz
Thomas Cruz

Don’t forget hitler was a Muslim. Here’s a quote proving it.

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Brody Peterson
Brody Peterson

Your main problem is that your argument rests on, at best, what Hitler is supposed to have said. What he did is far more important and telling what whatever bullshit he might have said.

Also

Venezuela

60-70% of their economy is privately run, genius.

Zachary Johnson
Zachary Johnson

The government owned those companies, they weren't in private hands.
And yes private property existed, so what?

Like you do realize you've a Communist flag, so your ideology has killed conservative estimates between 70-100 million, realistically 100+ millions…

My question is, how do you sleep at night?

Landon Perry
Landon Perry

The government owned those companies, they weren't in private hands.
they literally were

And yes private property existed, so what?
so nazi germany wasn't socialist

muh gorillions
that goalpost move
not a single argument
okay you're just baiting here good one

Jason Cook
Jason Cook

I hate Islam as much as I hate Socialism, so that's double the reason for me to hate him, what's your point?

Asher Thomas
Asher Thomas

your ideology has killed conservative estimates between 70-100 million, realistically 100+ millions…
Weird because their population growth shows no such toll of death. I guess math is lying.

Jaxon Morales
Jaxon Morales

100 million
Source?

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Camden Miller
Camden Miller

Like you do realize you've a Communist flag, so your ideology has killed conservative estimates between 70-100 million, realistically 100+ millions…

So basically, since you can't come up with a single source to back up what you're saying, you're resorting to personal attacks and goalpost moves?

James Scott
James Scott

The point he's making is that anybody can spin a quote out of their ass, put it in a meme and go "See!? That proves I'm right!!"

Isaac Sanchez
Isaac Sanchez

No they weren't in private hands.

Seems I've hit a soft spot, what's wrong, Don't like people holding you accountable for the blood letting you support?

Ethan Hernandez
Ethan Hernandez

How bout go read the Nuremberg transcripts!

Jaxon Wilson
Jaxon Wilson

they weren't in private hands.

And yes private property existed, so what?

Being in private hands is the literal definition of private property

Isaac Moore
Isaac Moore

le 100 million meme
Please, I'm begging you, for your own good, go back to pol, please you need it, your echo chamber needs you

Jack King
Jack King

That's not an argument. And whatever is said in those transcripts doesn't change historical facts regarding what the Nazis actually carried out in terms of economic policy.

Caleb Ramirez
Caleb Ramirez

Uh yes, they were. The state grip on the German economy didn't tighten until 1938 with Schachts removal and the introduction of Gohring's firm.

Andrew Perez
Andrew Perez

This is why democracy can’t work. These retard polbabies have the same voting power as you. Fml.

Isaiah Bennett
Isaiah Bennett

What do you think private property is?

Thomas Wilson
Thomas Wilson

Source?
Google :Stalin,ze dong, Khmer rouge, Castro, north Korea…do your own fuckin research

Eli Hughes
Eli Hughes

Telling somebody to google names is not a source. Actual historical research and records are.

Jonathan Turner
Jonathan Turner

So the state owning companies & the people who work for them owned their own cars…how is that hard to understand?

Daniel Foster
Daniel Foster

go read the research that was posted in the thread multiple times. nazi germany sold out massive amounts of shares for a large number of state enterprises, making them privately controlled

repeat after me: NAZI GERMANY IMPLEMENTED PRIVATIZATION, now give me PROOF it didn't

you have a child-tier understanding of nazi germany as this ebin totalitarian machine that controlled everything like in a paradox game and made everyone walk in lockstep, except you think that is a good thing. whereas reality is a bit too complex

i'm not even gonna address the hundred gorillions until you prove nazi germany had majority state ownership of MoP

Joseph Stewart
Joseph Stewart

But they did.
In the 1930s The Deutsche Reichsbahn (German Railways) was the largest single
public enterprise in the world, bringing together most of the railways services operating within Germany. The German Budget for fiscal year 1934/35, the last one published, established that Railway preference shares worth Reichsmark (Rm.) 224 million were to be sold.
Soon after the Nazi party came to power, United Steel was reorganized so that the government majority stake of 52 per cent was converted into a stake of less than 25 per cent, no longer sufficient in German law to give the government any privileges in company control. Fritz Thyssen, who held the leading position in the Trust, had been one of only two big industrialists to
give support to the Nazi Party before it won political dominance. In 1936, the Government sold its block of shares, amounting to about Rm. 100 million, to the United Steel Association.
The company Vereinigte Oberschlesische Hüttenwerke AG had control of all metal production in the Upper Silesian coal and steel industry. The Seehandlung (Prussian state bank) owned 45 per cent of this firm. The remaining shares were owned by Castellengo-Abwehr, one of the major Upper Silesian coal mines. Castellengo’s capital was owned by Ballestrem. In mid 1937, the state’s Rm. 6.75 million of shares were sold to Castellengo
The Commerz-Bank was reprivatized through several share sales in 1936-37. These shares amounted to Rm. 57 million, and the largest single transaction was a sale of Rm. 22 million in October 1936. Deutsche Bank was reprivatized in several operations effectively implemented in 1935-37. The largest was the repurchase in March 1937 of shares still held by the Golddiskontbank. These shares amounted to Rm. 35 million and Deutsche Bank placed them among its clients. In total, the reprivatization of Deutsche Bank shares amounted to Rm. 50 million. Finally, the Dresdner Bank was also reprivatized in several shares sale in 1936-37. These shares amounted to Rm. 141 million, and the largest single sale was of Rm. 120 million in September 1937
In March 1936, a group of Bremen merchants purchased a block of shares in the Deutsche Schiff-und Machinenbau AG Bremen “Deschimag” (German Shipbuilding and Engineering Co.). The sale amounted to Rm. 3.6 million
In September 1936 publicly owned shares of the Hamburg-SüdAmerika shipping company were sold to a Hamburg syndicate. The sale of shares amounted to Rm. 8.2 million. In mid 1937, the publicly owned Norddeutscher Lloyd (North German Lloyd), part of the VIAG public holding, sold its remaining shares in the steamship company Hansa Dampf to a consortium made up of the Deutsche Bank & Berliner Handels-Gesellschaft. The sale of shares amounted to Rm. 5 million.
google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.ub.edu/graap/nazi.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjFstz2j4baAhUFuVkKHeYyAREQFjAAegQIBxAB&usg=AOvVaw092z8_72ZxCyXGMv3Y1WW7

Dominic Martin
Dominic Martin

Sickener, because you know full well…

Caleb Anderson
Caleb Anderson

You didn't answer my question, how do you sleep at night?

Gavin Cruz
Gavin Cruz

nazis are socialist
*blocks your path*
STOP RIGHT THERE CRIMINAL SCUM

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Eli Ward
Eli Ward

If that's meant for me, just gonna say, can't make any of it out…

Charles Kelly
Charles Kelly

Mods, can you please anchor this shit thread and ban this retard? Also, for the love of god, if you're gonna respond, PLEASE sage damn it

Joshua Watson
Joshua Watson

That is not an argument.

I'm not even a supporter of the Marxists-Leninist governments you cite. But your arguments are incoherent at best and dishonest at worst. The "examples" you cite have been simply unbacked assertions and image macros without a source. You do not know how to argue, and you visibly do not know what you are talking about. The rest of us have provided actual historical research to back up our claims, and all you have are memes, immature shrieking, and goalpost moving. And not only that, but now that people are offering evidence for their claims and you have none for yours, you simply shift the goalposts and call us all supporters of Stalinist murderers. You are not the debater you think you are.

Chase Ortiz
Chase Ortiz

Right click -> open in a new tab on the images for the full resolution.

Benjamin Rogers
Benjamin Rogers

Yes we know well that the Soviet and Chinese populations grew steadily and typically 100 million people dying see population reductions, not increases.

Landon Brooks
Landon Brooks

i am not discussing the death tolls until you prove that nazi germany was socialist, goalpost-moving faggot

Hudson Ross
Hudson Ross

Question, how many of Marxs seven children died from poverty related illnesses?

Sebastian Lewis
Sebastian Lewis

Question, under what system of government did Marx live under :^)

Julian Wood
Julian Wood

Ooh definitely touched a nerve, how's it feel to be responsible for multitudes of innocent peoples deaths?

Adam Watson
Adam Watson

multitudes of innocent peoples deaths
Can you provide a source for this?

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Levi Rodriguez
Levi Rodriguez

RIP to the millions of Axis soldiers

Aiden Ross
Aiden Ross

A capatalist system, whereby if you don't go out & work you starve…

He let his own children starve instead of going out to work… that's the type of man you worship, HE LEFT HIS OWN CHILDREN DIE IN POVERTY!!

Jonathan Clark
Jonathan Clark

concession accepted

also it feels great to be responsible for the deaths of millions of nazis and tsarists tbh

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Caleb White
Caleb White

all those countries were far right to begin with, dumbshit.

Colton Johnson
Colton Johnson

If I was a Nazi maybe that would hurt me.

So you worship a guy who let's his own children starve?

Jace Thomas
Jace Thomas

So you worship a guy who let his own children starve?

Luke Ross
Luke Ross

A capatalist system
Capitalist*
whereby if you don't go out & work you starve
You starve under any economic system if you do not work. However, under socialism, he would have been provided a stable source of income from a reliable job and not have to rely on unstable streams of income afforded to him by capitalism.

William Evans
William Evans

how is marx's children dying of poverty not proof that he was fucking right about capitalism?

especially considering his living conditions in london were so poor because he was fucking exiled from both germany and paris by reactionaries

Dylan Myers
Dylan Myers

His children didn't die of starvation. They succumbed to fairly common diseases for the time. They died when Marx first moved to Manchester and was forced to live in the slums until he could get a steady income. Once he did he provided a very comfortable middle class life for his remaining children.

Mason Parker
Mason Parker

Urban pollution, hunger and disease were rampant in 1800s industrial society, retard. Why do you think people had lots of children? Read a fucking book

Andrew Ward
Andrew Ward

Why should the state be responsible?

THEY WERE HIS CHILDREN & HE WAS A SHITTY PROVIDER

Easton Cruz
Easton Cruz

No no no, he sponged off his wife's family, he was a fat cunt who beat his wife & made her write letters to her family begging for money!

Connor Smith
Connor Smith

THEY WERE HIS CHILDREN & HE WAS A SHITTY PROVIDER
You think the father of these kids is just a shitty provider?

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Christopher Moore
Christopher Moore

Why should the state be responsible?
That's what all you liberals say until the next crisis hits and you run off to Daddy Keynes

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Wyatt Martinez
Wyatt Martinez

marx's children died because he was forced to live in the slums after being exiled from two countries, in the middle of 19th century when filth and disease were common, and infant mortality was an everyday fact of life even for affluent families and nobility

read

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book

Joseph Rivera
Joseph Rivera

when you get completely btfo on economics so you resort to repeating unproven smears
Hmm the other guy was right. Reported.

Christopher Taylor
Christopher Taylor

Yes I do because I wouldn't bring children into that environment

Jonathan Evans
Jonathan Evans

Irrelevant goalpost move. And even if it weren't, the fact that they died under capitalism wouldn't necessarily make the point that you apparently seem to think it does.

Thomas Allen
Thomas Allen

I'm not really concerned with where the income stream came from but obviously once they were able to afford to live in good conditions they did and the rest of his children grew up comfortably.

Caleb Perez
Caleb Perez

Your argument that Marx was a bad father was that he didn't let his underage children participate in dangerous and often exploitative child labor practices?

Do you even know what you're saying?

William Russell
William Russell

It's not capitalism's fault for creating the conditions of poverty and extreme wealth inequality, it's YOUR fault for having children
You've gone off the deep end.

Michael Young
Michael Young

You have no argument. You are simply throwing a fit.

James Taylor
James Taylor

This thread and OP are a justification for gulags

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Christopher Lee
Christopher Lee

Strasser was a trot guys!1!!!111!
you have to go back

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Luis Perry
Luis Perry

Smells of pseudes. I must be in (heaven).

Hi, I'm Saje, and I'm here to tell you why you're objectively stupid for not just killing yourself.
being = winning
Think again if that's your philosophy. To be is to need, and to need is to suffer. It's basic arithmetic. Literally 2+2. If you don't commit suicide, you're a loser just like me.

Also Trump's tariffs fucked my business which sustains with Chinese imports, so I'm running out of options. If yall remember me, you should be glad that I'm edging closer and closer to the rope.

To die is an eternal exit. I don't know how I feel about it, but all a continued existence will do is exacerbate that uncertainty. I fear all things, to the point that if it were in my power, I would annihilate and disperse all things to the minute particles of plasma they were, casting whatever was into the endless void as the smallest and truest things, and they would sustain endlessly.

All I do is work and drugs. Why would I out myself as such a piece of shit? Because the thought of someone reading my words is enough gratification for me. Even if you call me names, even if you ignore me, my words will remain here, steadfast anchors bedded in the psychedelic underworld. As you are a god in your mind, so too am I in mine. I see noble people in alien landscapes, but how alien could they be if it were my subconscious that was the architect? Will I shepherd these lands beyond the grave in a sort of fractal unwinding of being? Will I become a god that is a part of God? Or will I simply become the hum something cast out to nothing forever? Stay tuned.

Jose James
Jose James

Tuned, they shall stay, as well, because it is a small few with the mettle to actively cure their state of being alive. I am still an inferior being, fearing the grave and all its implications, but my life up to this point has been preparation for that, and will be beyond it. Some may spend their whole lives in preparation, taking no action in the meantime.
Procrastinators.

Strength is of body, but for the minds of the universe, they are divided into "inferior" and "less inferior" to the world ending power of their fruits. We are thankless creators in all paradigms. This tripe you call conversation is an escape the same as any media. Visiting this website literally makes my monitor smell like cum. Cum from people grabbing at eachother's knobs.

Do you consider yourself a brave man? What is bravery? Is it noble stupidity, or crosshairs on the greatest game? Are you brave for killing yourself? Is there bravery in tyranny, or in the resistance thereof?
None of these are bravery. Your bravery was murdered the day we as a species stepped out of ignorance.
Bravery is a metallic taste.

Carter Wright
Carter Wright

all that soy

Isaiah Ortiz
Isaiah Ortiz

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Go to bed, OP, pubescent boys need at least 8 hours of sleep for optimal development.

Anthony Sanchez
Anthony Sanchez

But centrists keep telling me leftists control the culture and education and the leftist ideals are still on top

Matthew Adams
Matthew Adams

Remember bill C 51? My country's already fucked.

That feel when even Canada is moving towards Fascism

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Noah Torres
Noah Torres

yeah I mean if you're a western European and have nothing to lose you just go for low hanging fruit that's just at your level. Trotsky is burning in hell and Stalin is laughing

Asher Moore
Asher Moore

something something people something something not the idea

Lucas Fisher
Lucas Fisher

sorry but urbanite college shmucks can take a trip to S-21.

Joseph Cox
Joseph Cox

in all fairness a vote in America is essentially the same thing, voting for the interest of Jews and capitalism. nothing ever got accomplished by just towing the party line and making reforms, especially in the long run. it comes out of a gun, not the idle shuffling of papers

Jeremiah Cook
Jeremiah Cook

in a social sense yes economically no, in a just world it would be reversed

Dominic Fisher
Dominic Fisher

that's actually correct

Jonathan Perry
Jonathan Perry

"Gregor Asser" nice word filters, faggots, keep it up

Jackson Russell
Jackson Russell

Hamas are cool but cowtowing to Israel was bad optics. Turkey should also pull out of NATO and it should be disbanded and money used to house the homeless. serves no purpose in the post-Cold War. the wall fell almost 30 years ago. it's time to move on.

Isaiah Jones
Isaiah Jones

you would know everything about little boys wouldn't you. ya sick fuck.

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