Germany’s 28-Hour Workweek

Kayden Long
Kayden Long

Last month German metal workers won the right to a 28-hour workweek — after going on strike to demand a better work-life balance.
Source: jacobinmag.com/2018/03/germanys-28-hour-workweek

This is a pretty big deal if this could go beyond a mere settlement for a segment of the working class and become a wider (global?) movement.

Reduction in working hours need to be a priority of socialists worldwide, from Europe and the US to China and South Africa.

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Jace Jackson
Jace Jackson

This imperialism looks great.

Jack Thomas
Jack Thomas

This is a pretty big deal if this could go beyond a mere settlement for a segment of the working class and become a wider (global?) movement.
Too bad this particular development is built upon imperialism rather than actual working class radicalism.

Kayden Rogers
Kayden Rogers

CRITICAL SUPPORT FOR BOURGEOIS RESISTANCE AGAINST PROLETARIAN IMPERIALISM

Kayden Brown
Kayden Brown

… How the fuck is this development "built upon imperialism"…? A movement going global is internationalism, not imperialism.

Juan Green
Juan Green

Why would a worker want this?
They just went from full time down to part time.

Luke Gutierrez
Luke Gutierrez

German industry relies heavily on the exploitation of basically all other European proles via the EU. How can you now know this?

Carter Thomas
Carter Thomas

Its mostly the same pay you dolt.

Dominic Lopez
Dominic Lopez

Deals like this usually involve an increase in wages in order to compensate for the shorter work day.

Jordan Price
Jordan Price

user all MEDC nationscever relied on imperialism.

Jeremiah Scott
Jeremiah Scott

A reduction in working hours mean you work less than previously for the same wage, otherwise it wouldn't make any sense.

Henry Morgan
Henry Morgan

South Eu here, I'm unemployed to permit metallarbeiter to work 5 hour a day. That's the situation.

Jordan Williams
Jordan Williams

Every existing industry relies on imperialism somewhat, this is a built-in feature of capitalism. Should German proles not seek the betterment of their conditions because of that…?

Jackson Gonzalez
Jackson Gonzalez

No, you’re unemployed to keep German billionaires and bourgeois in your country fat and happy

Jacob Robinson
Jacob Robinson

Sorry for being dumb.
That is very good then if wages stay up.
In these situations do new workers get hired to make up the hours that the current workers will be vacant from their positions or does the company expect current workers to work 'harder' to retain the level of productivity?

Gabriel Sanchez
Gabriel Sanchez

You can't read a sentence in a dialectical way and don't know shit.

Lucas Johnson
Lucas Johnson

Unfortunately, the latter does happen if it's not met with worker resistance. This often happened when working hours were "reduced" when Fordism what introduced. But yeah, if it goes as expected, the company usually hire new workers.

Jayden Robinson
Jayden Robinson

You're unemployed because the bourgeoisie's plans doesn't allow for you to get a job, not because German workers engage in class struggle.

Jackson Peterson
Jackson Peterson

not because German workers engage in class struggle.
Getting concessions from imperialists who are desperate to preserve their super profits isn't "class struggle." It's a form of indirect class collaboration.

Carter Cruz
Carter Cruz

meant for

Zachary Thompson
Zachary Thompson

That's not how it works.

I wish I had 28 hours work weeks.

Ryan Parker
Ryan Parker

Getting concessions from imperialists who are desperate to preserve their super profits isn't "class struggle." It's a form of indirect class collaboration.
Are you a third worldist? Because that reads like third worldism. Every victory achieved by the worker is effectively a "concession" from the bourgeoisie. What do you think workers should do? Be afraid of engaging in class struggle because it might be offset in some other way by the capitalist?

Wyatt Butler
Wyatt Butler

workers demanding higher wages is class collaborationism
I feel like my brain should be swelling out of my ears.
Nice.

Jaxon Long
Jaxon Long

It's not exactly what it sounds like. The workweek isn't reduced for everyone. Just read the article, it's all explained in there.

current employees can also opt for a shortened, twenty-eight-hour full-time workweek in order to take care of an ailing family member, raise children, or simply to balance out strenuous shift work
all workers will receive the same contractually defined bonus pay, which partially makes up for lost wages due to reduced working hours
The reduction to twenty-eight hours, however, is an individual option, and workers are entitled to return to a normal position for two years

What I do find particularly interesting is that I live in Germany and there was a lot of news coverage about the warning strike, the workers' demands. And also especially the employees take about how their demands would be illegal and that they tried (but failed) to legally stop the strike.
But there was very little coverage about this settlement. In fact, this thread is the first time I heard about it. And I don't believe that it's just me not having noticed the reports.

Jace Martinez
Jace Martinez

Jacobin is usually confused socdem salad, but this interview is good shit. Though I disagree with some advice by Klaus Dörre here:
There have been some pretty harsh feminist criticisms of the collective-bargaining agreement, which in my view are only partially justified (…) The collective bargaining fight for reduced full-time working hours only left a marginal impression on both academia as well as the academic left in Germany. In order to overcome the kinds of middle-class prejudices which denounce these strikes as the actions of privileged labor aristocrats and old white men, we will have to engage in tedious, long-term political and theoretical work (…) The agreement has definitely gotten a lot of attention in other trade unions.
What is even the point in trying to educate the educated? The workers like it, and that's good. The ruling class is over-represented in academia, of course it is harder to get support there. Suppose we would get more people in academia on our side, some guys writing newspaper columns, how would that change anything? If these professional opinion-havers change their perspective too much in direction of working-class interest, this will negatively affect their careers, they won't get the space in newspapers and talkshows they are used to anymore. And those academics who don't get a spot in big media currently because they already are too leftwing certainly won't get them after this change in attitude he would like to see.
indirect class collaboration
is this indirect like structural in "structural antisemitism"? That is, a fancy word academics use for: not.

Asher Stewart
Asher Stewart

I think "structural antisemitism" makes sense as a concept, though I agree the wording is unfortunate because it makes it sounds like it's about Jews specifically when really it's not. Basically it refers to a form of vulgar anticapitalism that is heavily reliant on personifying capital and attributing malevolent intentions to these specific actors — all of the consequences of capitalism ends up being attributed to a few figures deliberately pulling the strings instead of being understood as the result of internal contradictions within capitalism. The issues we're faced with under capitalism are increasingly impersonal, so elaborating a narrative that explains these away by arguing they were caused by a very specific group of people whose elimination would solve the problem can be reassuring to some.
The reason why it's related to antisemitism is that historically, modern antisemitism (starting with Édouard Drumont) was the main strain of that type of worldview and to a certain degree remains so, though a lot of conspiracy theories (most notably those involving the Illuminati) also qualify. I mean, it's no surprise that so many /pol/tards pretend to be anti-capitalist — that's a direct legacy of Nazi rhetoric. The "structural" in "structural antisemitism" doesn't mean "indirect" at all, it means the worldview functions in a way that is analogous to modern antisemitism (and could potentially slide towards it, though it needs not do so).

Dylan Hernandez
Dylan Hernandez

we will have to engage in tedious, long-term political and theoretical work
There’s no point. When class struggle comes to the university these are the type of people who usually oppose it. If it wasn’t muh intersectionality there would be some other excuse.

Henry Nguyen
Henry Nguyen

German Comrade reporting in! The movement is really big and we, of course, welcome this. The thing is, the only big player in this movement are the Socdem and demsoc parties. We still are active in the movement but our influence isn't really big as of now ;/

Mason Collins
Mason Collins

Some of you would probably be upset if walmart workers wildcatted for an extra dollar an hour b/c that profit just comes from exploited chinese workers.

Yes they need to end capitalism entirely, but you have to start where you are

Jayden Fisher
Jayden Fisher

if you're born in this particular country, you're not a real worker, and you can not engage in class struggle. Organizing the working class is only good if it happens in literal third world shitholes. That's what Marx was saying right guys?
you're fucking cancerous.

Cameron White
Cameron White

tbh only one guy made that claim and he's getting roasted

Brandon Murphy
Brandon Murphy

You're a dipshit brainlet. Is this a step on the road to abolishing capitalism? Is this part of some broader revolutionary programme? Is this action taken in solidarity with workers elsewhere inside and outside of Germany? Will they use these gains to ensure the gains made by their fellow industiral workers in the Czech Republic or India or the US?

No?

Then it's not fucking class struggle you relentless dipshit.

Aiden Green
Aiden Green

Yes it is class struggle. The proletariat is not at fault for the ruling classes imaginary lines dividing the earth.

In fact sometimes despite these lines, isolated groups of workers actually practice solidarity. When automotive workers of VolksWagen were striking in Bratislava, they were supported by german automotive unions.

And in turn, striking german Amazon workers were countered with Amazon hiring workers in Prague, luring them with slightly larger wages which were still a fraction of german wages.

German workers have full right to demand humane treatment. Just because the bourgeoisie offloads those demands on less fortunate proletarians does not diminish the class-based motivation of the german workers.

Jack Kelly
Jack Kelly

The proletariat is not at fault for the ruling classes imaginary lines dividing the earth.
implying that this kind of action doesn't strengthen those borders
There's a reason why workers in core imperialist countries are reactionary and it isn't just muh false consciousness.

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John Harris
John Harris

Are you still part of the working class if you only work one (1) hour a week?

Andrew Martinez
Andrew Martinez

Workers in imperialist countries are born into them, molded by them.
The bourgeoisie when they started merely adopted the imperialism as the logical conclusion of the capital concentration.

Samuel Martinez
Samuel Martinez

Russia and Germany were core nations you dolt: they both had widescale communist uprisings.

Adam Baker
Adam Baker

we should revert working conditions to gilded age 16-hour work days mining coal with bare hands while being shot at by pinkertons or proles won't have consciousness and will be imperialists
made by leftypol gang

Juan Wilson
Juan Wilson

4U

Dylan Adams
Dylan Adams

Honestly at this rate we are headed for that regardless.

Luke Edwards
Luke Edwards

Of course it is class struggle. Just because it is not sufficiently revolutionary or internationalist does not make it something else.

Dominic Morgan
Dominic Morgan

You're still a prole even if you don't work — you might be unemployed (laid off, on leave, etc) or unemployable (disabled, unskilled, etc) — as long you're part of the class that is dependent on wage labor, even if welfare crumbs can slightly offset that state of affair somewhat.

Grayson Moore
Grayson Moore

be worker in Kenya
soon meeting with colleagues to plan strike
read some wisdom on Holla Forums before that
realize you are dipshit brainlet because it won't be synchronized world-wide strike
feels bad man
actually, you feel sick
look into mirror
full moon reflected in mirror
your scalp is peeling off, a pulsating tumor comes out of your skull and grows into
OH SHIT
a top hat and monocle
you have been the bourgeoisie all along

Ayden Ward
Ayden Ward

kek

This "muh global revolution instantly or you're porkie" is apex anarkiddie retardation, as even trots know better. You're also ignoring this could very well have a domino effect on other countries or industries.

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