March For Our Lives

Levi Nelson
Levi Nelson

Anyone watching this March thing? I like the inclusion of victims of other kinds of more common gun violence like gang/drug violence, etc.

My only complaint is coming down so hard on guns and gun manufacturers but completely leaving out bombs and bomb makers. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Cooper Hall
Cooper Hall

UNDER NO PRETEXT

Jeremiah Ward
Jeremiah Ward

Has there been a more idiotic things? March to give up your rights to own guns?

Mason Martinez
Mason Martinez

woops left my shitposting flag on

Justin Miller
Justin Miller

lmao
theguardian.com/us-news/commentisfree/2018/mar/23/parkland-students-manifesto-americas-gun-laws

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Mason Cooper
Mason Cooper

It's the media using idiotic kids who by default tout a (some what) liberal line to push s message of gun control.

Kids are looking for an identity to connect with and political movements that appeal to their emotions are the path of least resistance.

This kids haven't been crushed under the weight of capitalism yet so they can't possibly conceive or want or dream of a better society because they're so privileged; they get everything they want already.

I understand that they shouldn't be living in fear, but, this is lower tier pleasure bullshit.

The answers to the issue of people going fucking crazy under the weight and alienation of capitalism is not found with in the system of capitalism.

Tbh, fuck these protests.

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Justin Scott
Justin Scott

Also why no push to ban JROTC? Why so little mention that was the government through the school that trained him how to shoot?
dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5397023/Nikolas-Cruz-trained-taking-JROTC-marksmanship-course.html

HARTMAN: Do any of you people know who Charles Whitman was? None of you dumbasses knows? Private Cowboy?
COWBOY: Sir, he was that guy who shot all those people from that tower in Austin, Texas, sir!
HARTMAN: That's affirmative. Charles Whitman killed twelve people from a twenty-eight-storey observation tower at the University of Texas from distances up to four hundred yards. Anybody know who Lee Harvey Oswald was? Private Snowball?
SNOWBALL: Sir, he shot Kennedy, sir!
HARTMAN: That's right, and do you know how far away he was?
SNOWBALL: Sir, it was pretty far! From that book suppository building, sir!
HARTMAN: All right, knock it off! Two hundred and fifty feet! He was two hundred and fifty feet away and shooting at a moving target. Oswald got off three rounds with an old Italian bolt action rifle in only six seconds and scored two hits, including a head shot! Do any of you people know where these individuals learned to shoot? Private Joker?
JOKER: Sir, in the Marines, sir!
HARTMAN: In the Marines! Outstanding! Those individuals showed what one motivated marine and his rifle can do! And before you ladies leave my island, you will be able to do the same thing!

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Tyler Diaz
Tyler Diaz

It's an interesting "spectacle".

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Jayden Thomas
Jayden Thomas

This tbh.

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Eli Adams
Eli Adams

I get what these kids are trying to do, and I understand why they're trying to do it… But they're way off base on what actually is to be done.

The phenomenon of school shootimgs is uniquely American, and doesn't happen anywhere else. EVEN IN OTHER PRO-GUN COUNTRIES.

Why? Because it has its roots not in access to firearms, but in capitalist alienation, which the US has cranked up to fucking 11.

So basically, they're just one jump away from proper analysis of the problem… But it's a big jump to make, especially for high school kids who haven't lived the exploited life yet.

Luis Allen
Luis Allen

School shooting/stabbing exist in other countries too.

Gabriel Powell
Gabriel Powell

AFAIK they don't support a ban on gun ownership, they support regulation of firearms sales.

Lincoln Lewis
Lincoln Lewis

On this level though?
I smell a liberal.

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William Morris
William Morris

we will not able to rent a car
Cause of some sort stupid arbitrary decision by car rental companies
wont be able to drink alchohol
Bceause of another shitty arbitrary law passed after a group of parents who couldn’t accept that their kid fucked up and made a mistake, lobbied congress to the fun away from everyone else just cuase their kid was
to retarded to a handle, lets justify arbitrary laws we want to pass with arbitrary laws.

Luis Richardson
Luis Richardson

They wanna take guns away from under 21s, not just muh ebul ay are fiteeens, but they wanna stop people, from buying fudd guns, fuck that shit

Austin Wilson
Austin Wilson

Goalpost.

There is actually very severe stabbing in China.

Hudson Wright
Hudson Wright

France?

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Chase Cook
Chase Cook

Not moving the goal ppst you're changing the actual terms of what the OP ment in the first place because you're a faggot.

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Landon Ortiz
Landon Ortiz

Why? Because it has its roots not in access to firearms, but in capitalist alienation, which the US has cranked up to fucking 11.
I think it's disingenuous to assume easy access to firearms does not play a role in increased incidences of mass shootings.

School shooting/stabbing exist in other countries too.
Nowhere near as much as they do in the US. Mass shootings always come off as abhorrent to Europeans when they do happen, in the US it's now just par of the course.

Jack Hill
Jack Hill

You're confirming his point, user.

Hunter Phillips
Hunter Phillips

We've had like 25 school Shootings in the last 5 months.

Aaron Powell
Aaron Powell

Those are terrorism-related, they're not the same phenomenon as school shootings.

Camden Perry
Camden Perry

I think it's disingenuous to assume easy access to firearms does not play a role in increased incidences of mass shootings.
It's irrelevant.

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James Barnes
James Barnes

It has its roots in access to firearms the sane way access to soda gives people diabetes.

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Julian Garcia
Julian Garcia

How not? It's all basic murder-suicide killing spree shit.

Cameron Martinez
Cameron Martinez

TBH, gun regulation in the US is shit. They're treated more like toys than weapons.

Most sales don't even require a gun safety course, which explains why there's so many gun accidents.

Kevin Young
Kevin Young

at least it wasn’t a school shooting

Brandon King
Brandon King

Require a gun license before acquiring guns.

Then you militarize the schools and make acquiring a gun license mandatory. :^)

Angel Perry
Angel Perry

UNDER NO PRETEXT

Seriously, these little retards have no idea what they are doing. Leaving aside the guns themselves, the second amendment is a core part of the constitution. If legislation passes that renders it impotent, and this stands up in court, then that sets a legal precedent that endangers literally every other right they have. That includes the first, thirteenth, fourteenth and fourth amendments, and in an era of Orwell tier mass surveillance and blatant porky dictatorship the people can not afford to give up a single constitutional right that might cripple porky’s attempts to control them. Then of course there’s the whole issue of the state being the only armed actor and American cops being a pack of psychopaths. Seriously fuck these little idiots.

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Tyler Jones
Tyler Jones

100,000,000 gun owners collectivley have 800 fatal accidents a year, annually their are 136,000 fatal accident

Jonathan Brooks
Jonathan Brooks

SHALL

Nathan Bell
Nathan Bell

The age restriction is actually a good idea because it helps to keep guns out of the hands of angry incels and autists who still think highschool matters IRL.

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Jaxson Martinez
Jaxson Martinez

It has its roots in access to firearms the sane way access to soda gives people diabetes.
Diabetes is a possible side effect of soda consumption. Guns are designed to wound, maim and kill. That's the difference. If I'm looking for a way to kill someone, I'm buying a gun to blow his head off — not slowly getting him addicted to Coke.
Moreover, the soda market is regulated. Manufacturers can't just put what they want in a drink, especially if it's known to significantly contribute to diabetes.

Juan Brooks
Juan Brooks

I think it's disingenuous to assume easy access to firearms does not play a role in increased incidences of mass shootings.

In Canada in 1989 some Eliot Roger type shot up a university. After that sweeping gun control legislation was brought in. In 20 years after that happened, there were 8 mass shootings in Canada. In the 20 years before, there were only 5.

Christopher Russell
Christopher Russell

Trump is an evil fascist and must be stopped by any means necessary
let's make sure Trump and his fascist goons are the only ones with guns

I say let's arm all the teachers and pupils. Problem solved. Cruz would have been killed in seconds, not minutes.

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Joseph King
Joseph King

No.

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Wyatt Phillips
Wyatt Phillips

Tbh id be okay with a gun license law, in return for
allowing people younger than 18 get a gun license if they pass the requirements
repealing the hughs admendment (make machine guns legal again)
standardizing gun laws. so state legitures cant pull shit like the cali handgun roster.

Bentley Gomez
Bentley Gomez

What about the gravity of the shootings? What about shootings that aren't school shootings?

Charles Edwards
Charles Edwards

Question: Why doesn't the NRA try to foster gun ownership among liberals like they do with conservatives and other reactionaries? Are they really that attached to the wider reactionary movement?

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Jacob Green
Jacob Green

I'm fine with full auto weapons being difficult to get. Most of them are too expensive for a prole to own and care for anyways.

Ethan Nguyen
Ethan Nguyen

youtube.com/watch?v=tgXWJEZzFHE

Parker Martinez
Parker Martinez

And by the way I only said "liberals" because in the US these are the types that are always trying to get guns banned.

Easton Long
Easton Long

The NRA doesn't represent the rights of gun owners, it represents the interests of gun manufacturers.

Evan Nguyen
Evan Nguyen

give up your guns
Trump is a dictator
Can someone explain this to me please?

Gavin Morales
Gavin Morales

vegas shooter was in his 60s
omar mateen was 29
james holms was 24
a bunch more were over 21
hey guys lets make the gun age 21 that will stop all the mass shootings
Fuck you, brainlet.

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Austin Wilson
Austin Wilson

God damn, ==Shut the fuck up liberal==

Guns are made for self defense, if anything.
. Once you get out of high school and realize how shit the world is then you can come talk to us.

Fire arms are a tool and tools, like any other tool, can serve many functions.

Knifes, hammers, guns, Rricks, soda, litteraly anything can kill you and none of your peace meal, crying, can change that.

The thing about guns is people actually need them to protect themselves against the tyranny of the government.

This is pure idealism.

Brody Flores
Brody Flores

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Landon Davis
Landon Davis

To be honest I think the age cut off should be 25, not 21. Young men (especially white suburbanite guys) are going to become increasingly useless, angry, and reactionary in the coming years. I don't want them owning guns until their hormones level out.

Dylan Watson
Dylan Watson

Hey those shooters were more than 21 so an age restriction won't do anything xD
I don't even support gun control but your pro-gun arguments are /pol/-tier.

John Davis
John Davis

So basically this is how it is
under the 1934 national firearms act you have you register and pay a tax to the atf to have a machine gun
under the 1986 hughs amendment the reigsty is closed, so you can only own one thats been registered before the 80s
sure you can have one but is expensive

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Jacob Foster
Jacob Foster

How so, most mass shooters aren’t even in the 18-21 age range.

Levi Clark
Levi Clark

muh hormones
Fuck you.

Samuel Ortiz
Samuel Ortiz

I'd be ok with that, tbh.

Owen Harris
Owen Harris

Those are not because of alienation Jesus christ. Charlie hebdo and Paris were premeditated and studied attacks.
It's like saying that 9/11 was caused by alienation.
The other is racially motivated.
Nizza is the only one I can give you.
Stabbings are the prevalent form of explosion here in Europe.
If you wanted to make an example it would be brevik, but again that's one.
No it doesn't happen that often here and America is more talented at alienation.

Case and point: r/incel and r/hapa. Those things rarely exist here especially people like r/hapa

Jacob Reyes
Jacob Reyes

This.

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Chase Jenkins
Chase Jenkins

omar mateen was 29
He wasn't a spree shooter but a lone wolf terrorist. Guys like him will always be able to get around gun control laws. The age restriction isn't supposed to prevent those kinds of attacks.
james holms was 24
Literally schizo and a total outlier. Also not a school shooter. Remember that's the kind of shooting we should be trying to prevent here.

Leo Gutierrez
Leo Gutierrez

Charlie hebdo and Paris were premeditated and studied attacks.
So was:
Columbine
Pic Related
Likely every murder-suicide killing spree contestant in existence

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Cameron Jenkins
Cameron Jenkins

No.

Easton Ramirez
Easton Ramirez

Not premeditated in that sense. Premeditated in the 9/11sense.
Military grade weapons, fake id's and connection the would make james bond rogue

David Thompson
David Thompson

Let them drink at 16 like every normal fucking country out there and you'd already cut mass shooting in half.
muh alcholism
That's why you need drinking culture

Connor Garcia
Connor Garcia

Military grade weapons,
That's been one of the main issues in America is civilians having legal access to military grade weapons.

Benjamin Perez
Benjamin Perez

muh MG
Until a school shooting happens where the perp uses a bazooka or a vehicle-mounted HMG this isn't true.

Jack Turner
Jack Turner

Switzerland, Norway and eastern Europe have access to them and none of this shit happens.
I mean plus I want them I can buy them illegally. It's really a problem of alienation and culture. Japanese are even more alienated but what remains of confucianism saves them from doing shit like Americans.On the other hand americans will never blame them self or the system, they will always blame the individual who is part of that system.

Brandon Wilson
Brandon Wilson

They're military grade insofar as they could be used, along with improvised and seized weaponry, by a militia or guerrilla force fighting a regular army.
Arms control is reactionary.

Ethan Myers
Ethan Myers

shoot up a concert hall or a movie theater
at least it wasn’t a Wasnt a school

omar matteen wasn’t a spree shooter but a lone wolf terrorist
aside from motivation and ideology whats the difference?

Jacob Walker
Jacob Walker

Name one military that only uses semiautomatic weapons

Ethan Morgan
Ethan Morgan

You're missing what I was replying too. If any of the terrorist attacks in Europe were carried out with "Military grade" weapons than most of the shootings in The USA were as well.

Justin James
Justin James

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Brayden Kelly
Brayden Kelly

What is a military grade weapon?

Carter Morales
Carter Morales

A buzzword for anything that isnt a fudd gun

Owen James
Owen James

I think one time i read a study that said that the legal drinking age just pushses the alchohol deaths to 21

Ryan Ramirez
Ryan Ramirez

Ask the guy I was replying to. Do you see the >> and the green text?

Brayden Richardson
Brayden Richardson

ARM THE HOMELESS

David White
David White

God damn, Shut the fuck up liberal
wah wah disagreeing with me means you're a liberal, stop being a meanie!
Grow the fuck up.

Once you get out of high school and realize how shit the world is then you can come talk to us.
Woah, watch out! We got an Internet tough guy here. I'm sure you on the other hand have reached enlightenment.

Fire arms are a tool and tools, like any other tool, can serve many functions.
Guns are made for self defense, if anything.
Make up your mind — are they just neutral tools or first and foremost made for self defense? Of course guns can be used for self defense. They can also be used for a lot of much less legitimate endeavors.

The thing about guns is people actually need them to protect themselves against the tyranny of the government.
Gun control does not conflict with the possibility of gun ownership, including as a bulwark against government encroachment — like workers forming armed militias to confront violent union busting, for instance.

I don't support a ban on gun at all, I support sensible gun control. The fact is most of Holla Forums lacks nuance when it comes to the gun control debate because they constantly seek to broadcast to everyone in a ten miles radius that they're not liberals — so every fucking time someone says we shouldn't let Dollar Tree sell assault rifles to schizophrenics with a history of alcoholism and domestic violence, he's dismissed as a boot-licking, gun-grabbing crypto-Hillaryite.

Also, note to agitated tankïes: the USSR had strict gun control laws. Access to military-grade, high-capacity firearms was severely restricted and illegal ownership could land you in prison. The only more-or-less widespread guns among Soviet civil society were (registered) hunting rifles.

Ryan Jenkins
Ryan Jenkins

Still one first has to learn to drink and then drive

Christopher Cook
Christopher Cook

Norway have access to them and none of this shit happens.
Who is Breivik.

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Dominic Mitchell
Dominic Mitchell

Drinking is extremely bad for you. America's laws regarding alcohol consumption are one of the only good things about that shithole.

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Julian Hughes
Julian Hughes

"Lets give up our guns!"
Marx is spinning in his grave so much that if he were a turbine he could power a small city.

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Liam Sullivan
Liam Sullivan

Didn't I mention brevik in one of my posts?
Plus it happens one time and you want to compare it to what you sociopaths do every two weeks?
Explain how drinking at 21 will change anything

Jordan Ross
Jordan Ross

Overdrinking is bad for you regular drinking is fine, what do you think happens on your 21 first birthday when they tell you all your life how great crazy and wild drinking is but dont let you do it until 21.or when the first time you drink its vodka at a party and having never drank before you cant hold your liquor, also why do you hate youngfags and want to take everything away from them.

Robert Bailey
Robert Bailey

UNDER NO PRETEXT

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Henry Cooper
Henry Cooper

Didn't I mention brevik in one of my posts?

Plus it happens one time and you want to compare it to what you sociopaths do every two weeks?

Until the next Brevik. America is a much larger country as well.

Alexander Thompson
Alexander Thompson

Oh look, now. You're going to cherry pick every point I made and pedantically nit pick them apart.

How smart of you.

The reason; the reason I told you that you obviously need to lurk maor and experience the real world is because once you get out and work 60 hours a week to barley get by then you will actually, on a material level, understand why guns are needed not only for defense from a tyrannical government but for offense against it.

Guns are tools and they can be used for anything like any tool. You're little liberal broken records aren't working anymore, lad.

The problem with these, honestly, reactionary veiws you hold is that they are idealistic bandaids that don't really adress the actual underlying structural problems caused by the economy that lead to people finally snapping and committing these acts in the first place.

Ireal, material, tangible, answers. Any further encroachment is an attack on the prolotariate. Period.

Stay away from my guns, liberals.

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Chase Parker
Chase Parker

This shit is why we do not deserve socialism. However, the only slight silver lining I can glean is basically what Zizek has been saying recently, if we "massage" our "revolutionary muscles" via demonstrations the message of actual leftism can spread. But at the same time a "protest" like this to give up a right is pretty much helping to kill any attempt at real change. These kids make me feel like a conservative, "guns don't kill people". They will react with intense anger when you try to explain base/superstructure. That kid would probably not have shot up his school if he could afford an apartment.

Leo Cruz
Leo Cruz

sensible gun control
im not a hillarite
Hmmmm

and also in case you didnt know people who have been convcted of domestic violence are barred from owning firearms, people who are addicted to subtance cant have guns (if you have medical marijuana card you are Noguns) people who have been involuntarily commited are not allowd to own firearms, your schizo wifebeater alchoholic buying am assault rifle is just a strawaman that doesnt happen. Lay off the trevor noah

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Owen Cruz
Owen Cruz

Is that yemen

Brayden Butler
Brayden Butler

If it was America have the people in the photo would've had their fingers on the trigger and then the inevitable would happen.

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Camden Hernandez
Camden Hernandez

The drug/gang violence inclusion is only done in a pathetic attempt to increase their ranks. And it should come as no surprise that policies aimed at controlling gang violence and drug abuse only leads to high minority incarceration rates and the (failed) war on drugs. Prohibition doesn't work, and as it turns out three types of prohibitionists have some common ground with each other even as the world around them melts apart.

They support giving Trump more power. Make no mistake, any new gun control would be within the jurisdiction of Attorney General Sessions (a person who considers Black Lives Matter to be a terrorist organization) and Donald Trump. This is why I'm absolutely against all gun control, because Trump himself is proof that any new "control" over anything will only be used and abused by the bourgeoisie.

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Adrian Ramirez
Adrian Ramirez

A REAL shitposter would say that men should be banned from owning guns and only women should be allowed the right

Ian Brown
Ian Brown

The drug/gang violence inclusion is only done in a pathetic attempt to increase their ranks. And it should come as no surprise that policies aimed at controlling gang violence and drug abuse only leads to high minority incarceration rates and the (failed) war on drugs. Prohibition doesn't work, and as it turns out three types of prohibitionists have some common ground with each other even as the world around them melts apart.
I should've said prohibition violence. Actually a more correct term in general would be street and household gun violence.

Lucas Rodriguez
Lucas Rodriguez

I agree with pic related but for tactical reasons I don't attack the 2nd amendement. You can strategically support laws that give you freedoms without endorsing the system as a whole. (not a burger, but still)

NRA is a reactionary poltical group that pretends to be pro-gun. Gun Owners of America is less Republican and much more pro-gun. Unlike the NRA, GOA is actually consistent.

fucking white male civilians under 25 shouldn't own firearms for self-defence
respectable white male police officers over 25 should be allowed to prance around with battle rifles and machine pistols in public and shoot anyone they feel like shooting with zero consequences
WEW LAD!

This! In almost all other countries in the world, 18 year old adults can get drunk, but in America you're still considered a bigger kid.

You should be happy, our right-wing government is coming for our guns and there is nothing anyone is doing. Norwegian media has been silent about it, in fact I found out about from foregin media. Have you ever thought that maybe those kids should have been armed as well? If they had been, he would have been blown away, but strict gun laws make attack easier than defence, because a person defending themselves have to be armed all the time and thus more likely to be arrested for illegal possesion of firearms, but the attacker is only carrying firearms when they are attacking someone. Thus strict gun laws make innocent people more vulnerable to attacks from psychopaths.
t. Snownigger

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Anthony Taylor
Anthony Taylor

It still wouldn't happen this often. Stop making apologism for your shit hole for fuck sake

Christopher Flores
Christopher Flores

t his women had a concealed carry permit without knowing enough about safety to not muzzlesweel the entire senate,
it was

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Connor Bailey
Connor Bailey

Implying Europe isn't a shithole.

Cooper Nelson
Cooper Nelson

<Horrific trigger awareness.

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Jacob Robinson
Jacob Robinson

No it's not compared to america. Don't talk about places you can't point out on the map.

Kevin Hernandez
Kevin Hernandez

Gun control does not conflict with the possibility of gun ownership

It doesn't because gun control advocates are prohibitionists. They want handguns banned entirely (a common cause in the 90s) along with "assault weapons" with pistol grips, and also autoloading weapons leaving people with only pump and bolt action weapons.

In California Will Ruger himself found this out when he sponsored all the original Assault Weapons Bans in the early 90s, because his company made non-assault weapons like the Ruger mini 14. A few years later, gun controllers wanted those guns banned too because they were readily convertible into "assault" configurations and came with 30-round magazines standard. Then they extended handgun licenses to all firearms, and added a "safety test" with a $50 fee. Now there is a $25 fee for all gun transactions (including gifts to relatives), and a 10-day wait. Same for ammunition sales as of last year.

Where does this end? With guns defacto banned. Which is what prohibitionists want. And in it's wake are prisons full of random nonwhites found with weapons, and countless lives ruined by fines incurred for not storing ammunition in a locked container as the law requires.

Nobody benefits from this, except prison guard unions.

Jason Jackson
Jason Jackson

in denial.

Austin Lee
Austin Lee

What is the black market.

I can literally go get a revolver for 600 bucks, rn.

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Camden Perry
Camden Perry

Standards of living are the highest in the world, culturally speaking we are the vanguard, europeans are interesting people and you don't need an app on the phone to meet girls. It's not perfect nor it's ideal but the worst thing that could happen to Europe is getting americanized

Michael Morgan
Michael Morgan

You are responding to the wrong guy perhaps?

Sebastian Ward
Sebastian Ward

Oh look, now. You're going to cherry pick every point I made and pedantically nit pick them apart.
I didn't "cherrypick" anything. It's not my fault if your arguments don't hold up under scrutiny.

The reason; the reason I told you that you obviously need to lurk maor and experience the real world is because once you get out and work 60 hours a week to barley get by then you will actually, on a material level, understand why guns are needed not only for defense from a tyrannical government but for offense against it.
Why do you assume I do not have to work for a living? What makes you believe your "lived experience" is so special? Anyway, as I have already stated: Gun control does not conflict with gaining ownership of firearms that might ultimately be used in a revolution — at which point commercial armories and government weapon caches would probably be raided anyway.

Guns are tools and they can be used for anything like any tool.
They also proved to be particularly lethal tools — much more so than hammers or knives. Guns are not mundane consumer goods, that is a fact regardless of your positions on gun control.

The problem with these, honestly, reactionary veiws you hold is that they are idealistic bandaids that don't really adress the actual underlying structural problems caused by the economy that lead to people finally snapping and committing these acts in the first place.
On what basis do you make these assumptions? It is perfectly possible to be both an anti-capitalist and in support of gun control. In fact, I don't even think gun control is that important when compared to other variables when it comes to crime (such as social alienation, unemployment or urban decay for example) but I do believe it is worth considering as a policy. It also has absolutely nothing to do with idealism — now you're just spouting Marxist-sounding buzzwords to please the crowd.

Stay away from my guns, liberals.
I have no interest in taking your guns. I want to regulate their distribution, not outlaw their ownership.

Isaiah Morgan
Isaiah Morgan

europe getting Americanized mean all of Northerner europe becomes like rural France while all of southern europe becomes like rural Spain

I am ok with this.

Caleb Turner
Caleb Turner

Acording to fbi statistics hammers
kill more people than long guns.
i want to regulate their distribution
How so , what regulations?

Daniel Allen
Daniel Allen

All those people believe we are living in the end of history.

Well, they are going to make it correct.

Christopher Evans
Christopher Evans

I can't really speak for America I guess because the gun laws I'm actually familiar with are that of European countries. AFAIK they haven't changed significantly in the last decades and it's fairly easy to gain ownership of a gun as long as you go through proper procedures.

Oliver Perry
Oliver Perry

You mean that except for center Europe the rest of europe becomes less americanized? Holy shit I'm ok with this too.

Ryan James
Ryan James

Guns don't kill people! Baboon peoples kill people!

Camden Lewis
Camden Lewis

Except in Brtain (wah waaahhh). Issue here is not what you can but that to get a license you need tp have a reason to own a gun.

Andrew Price
Andrew Price

Long guns are but a single type of guns — this doesn't account for all gun deaths. Still, even if hammers did kill more people, that doesn't mean policy aimed at reducing gun deaths are irrelevant.

Noah Young
Noah Young

This shit is so liberal it burns.

Lucas Collins
Lucas Collins

This is also the case in Belgium, but "personal security" is accepted as a valid reason. My father owns a Smith & Wesson revolver even though he doesn't have any specific reason to own a firearms that any other guy on the street with no rap sheet couldn't also appeal to.

Matthew Gray
Matthew Gray

Ah, self defense is not recognised as a reason in the UK

Ryder Gray
Ryder Gray

I know it doesnt most gun homicides are handguns, hut goes to show you muh evil ars aint so evil

Benjamin Ward
Benjamin Ward

$600 for a revolver? I hope it fires at least .454 Casull and is in good shape.

UK, the country that collects the browsing habits of everyone EXCEPT politicians?

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Christian Morris
Christian Morris

At least you guys have sport shooting, sometime i wonder if the usa will even have that

Josiah Ross
Josiah Ross

Yup

Parker Baker
Parker Baker

Yeah, it's Yemen.

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Cameron Price
Cameron Price

Liberalism is the rest of the mind making excuses for the id.

Anthony Myers
Anthony Myers

this thread
Daily reminder that you're all a bunch of basic bitch liberals, no matter how much you LARP as revolutionaries.

I've got my evil Assault Rifle-15 and a whole bunch of boxes of nigger repellant right here, and it's not going anywhere no matter how much you bitch about it.

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Eli Davis
Eli Davis

no shit, with the rise of 80% kits any hope for an assault weapons or handgun ban is basically dead. And thanks to California making it a huge pain in the ass to buy ammo, DIY primer/gunpowder kits will probably happen in the next five years.

Isaiah Rivera
Isaiah Rivera

But they're regulating 80% kits now in California as well.

Thomas Cox
Thomas Cox

Begone amerifat.

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Jonathan Price
Jonathan Price

implying at least 90% of leftypol isn’t packing

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Brayden Smith
Brayden Smith

Their making you put a serial number on which will totally be complied with.

Justin Sanders
Justin Sanders

No they aren't, because 80% kits aren't guns. Legally you need to register it with the state, but you can also claim it's an import. Or more importantly, just not do it at all which is what criminals will continue doing. Even if the state did figure out how to somehow ban 80% kits (which are not legally guns), that wouldn't stop people from 3D printing them instead and swapping on parts. The state would then have to ban gun parts, but this is also getting extremely hard because then a huge amount of regular home improvement hardware is affected.

In practice, it's now impossible to ban guns thanks to the Internet. Which is why they moved to curb ammo sales, their only remaining vector. But this too will change, all that's needed is a manual with a home chemistry set and electronic scale. The state can't easily ban that without also banning 99% of educational/laboratory/kitchen equipment, including children's toys.

Colton Barnes
Colton Barnes

Airshit doesn't count.

Jordan Scott
Jordan Scott

3D printing
You need a mill not a printer.

Joseph Sanchez
Joseph Sanchez

I used to work with the guy with the glasses on my campus, he and his crew are at the protest today telling everyone that the problem is capitalism, not guns. There's the snapcode if you wanna add them and watch them.

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William Price
William Price

Daily reminder that you're a product and tool of COINTELPRO

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Jayden Gray
Jayden Gray

For non-regulated parts? Sure. But not for the regulated part. Already 3d printable glock frames do ok enough with 22lr or 17hmr. Printed AR lowers work fine with standard rounds. The tech will only get better.

Leo Cooper
Leo Cooper

Daily reminder that you're a bunch of faggots who LARP as revolutionaries.

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Julian Harris
Julian Harris

neat

Zachary Williams
Zachary Williams

semi-literate Yemeni peasants have better trigger discipline than burgers

I’m laffin!

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Liam Murphy
Liam Murphy

The only solution is to ban all males from owning firearms.

Brody Thompson
Brody Thompson

Nice. I don't snap chat but I'll check the website. #enoughwar
^This 100% Nikolas Cruz said himself his plan was to go do the samething he did to those Americans to some Afghanis and the government would've given him the gun and the plane ticket to do it if he just didn't do it to his classmates first.

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Mason Brooks
Mason Brooks

I cum a little bit every time you grace us with your presence boonposter.

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Bentley Walker
Bentley Walker

That image actually proves the mutt's point. His grandfather fought for America to become a soulless multicultural shopping mall.

Joseph Mitchell
Joseph Mitchell

Then that disqualifies most Nazis.

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Chase Sullivan
Chase Sullivan

Who is this? He looks like a thin Alfred Hitchcock lmao.

Tyler Fisher
Tyler Fisher

tiki torches
Who's the LARPer here?

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Charles Morales
Charles Morales

I think it is Hitchcock.

Lincoln Thomas
Lincoln Thomas

some random person
Nazis
U wot?

shitty copy&paste job
Why am I not surprised that this is the best Holla Forums can come up with?

Ian Hill
Ian Hill

For non-regulated parts? Sure. But not for the regulated part. Already 3d printable glock frames do ok enough with 22lr or 17hmr. Printed AR lowers work fine with standard rounds. The tech will only get better.
22lr or 17hmr.
So a zip gun? We really are living in da future.

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Jeremiah Lewis
Jeremiah Lewis

Like a zip gun but capable of reuse. The "zip gun" better applies to using it with 9mm rounds, because the frame won't survive more than 5-6 shots without cracking. But again, the tech will eventually get better.

Also actual 22lr zip guns can be fully 100% 3d printed, further demonstrating the pointlessness of gun control. And why they've moved onto ammunition.

Grayson Hill
Grayson Hill

W H A T A B O U T T H E M E M E S B R O

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Dominic Lee
Dominic Lee

Holla Forums can't come up with shit
<attracting popular support doesn't matter! I'll just force everyone to do as I say with my cool Red Guard paintball team!

Jace Young
Jace Young

MUH' MEMES
What exactly have you accomplished thus far fellow /pol/tard?

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Kevin Ward
Kevin Ward

The glock parts sure. But the upper you printed, how much can you rely on it? Why not just get a CNC? youtube.com/watch?v=JAdnZ6xsWtU

Eli Allen
Eli Allen

This stuff really makes me think. I just can't get the "perfect take" on it. Come on Anons, what is the 100% right take on this?

Landon Nguyen
Landon Nguyen

When you do shit like this to make your superficial points seem less transparent you are cherry picking and being really pedantic.

Try actually making an argument like a big boy.

And I assume you haven't worked for a living and are a raging liberal is because no working person on earth world be talking like you; most of us are so beat the fuck down that we sit, as Adam Smith said, in tepit silence dreaming of a better world.

If we want that we are going to need guns and sorry to inform you but "sensible gun control" is that. Any encroaching on my ability to purchase what I can right now is a fucking attack on the working class.

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William Anderson
William Anderson

The upper isn't regulated so it can just be bought off-the-shelf. California hasn't moved to regulate this because there is no feasible means to do so without making a massive bureaucracy that will affect other industries (notably home improvement hardware, think of the Luty Gun). But yes it can be milled too, I mention 3d printers because they are more widely available.

Isaac Mitchell
Isaac Mitchell

Ban missiles not guns.

Jacob Moore
Jacob Moore

#MarchToDisarmTheProletariat
#MarchToDisarmTheEveryoneButCriminals
#MarchToDisarmTheOnlyPeopleWhoCanFightBack
#MarchToDisarmYourself
?????

Carter Phillips
Carter Phillips

Is your deal today to derail a thread by trying to convince others that they 'don't REALLY like guns' despite how much they say they do? Or is it the standard played out "LARPers XD" thing? Either way it is contrived and dated. The only thing spicy about your approach is your undeserved sense of smugness.

Robert King
Robert King

Coddled teenagers and their white collar parents demanding their legislators give Trump and AG Sessions more power because guns are scary. That is the basic dynamic at work here. Remember when teenagers used to be all about rebelling against authority? Now they worship it.

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Xavier Morgan
Xavier Morgan

I meant lowers than I guess. I get confused. Especially since the whole concept of a lower and upper receiver seems to be firearm dependent?

Does an individual need a license to make a firearm for personal use?

No, a license is not required to make a firearm solely for personal use. However, a license is required to manufacture firearms for sale or distribution. The law prohibits a person from assembling a non–sporting semiautomatic rifle or shotgun from 10 or more imported parts, as well as firearms that cannot be detected by metal detectors or x–ray machines. In addition, the making of an NFA firearm requires a tax payment and advance approval by ATF.

[18 U.S.C. 922(o), (p) and (r); 26 U.S.C. 5822; 27 CFR 478.39, 479.62 and 479.105

Do you know more about this law? Does this limit ammunition types? What's the definition of rifle or shotgun?

Isaac Hall
Isaac Hall

This shit is gay too

Nathan Moore
Nathan Moore

Especially since the whole concept of a lower and upper receiver seems to be firearm dependent?

Yes it's an AR thing. Most guns like AKs have both welded together into one giant "receiver". But the terminology is roughly analogous to handgun receivers and handgun slides.

Do you know more about this law? Does this limit ammunition types? What's the definition of rifle or shotgun?

The BATF clarified this policy, basically anyone who manufactures AND sells/transfers more than 5 guns per year is a "firearm manufacturer" who must obtain a special BATF firearm manufacturer's license (about $5,000/yr). All NFA items (full-auto guns, silencers, short-barreled rifles, the pancor jackhammer and explosives) require a $200 tax stamp per item and might have to abide by special storage requirements (in particular in regards to explosives). Some states ban NFA items altogether, and all machine guns built after 1984 can only be transferred between police departments and Federal Firearm Licensed (FFL) dealers.

What's the definition of rifle or shotgun?

Any rifle is a gun with a rifled barrel longer than 6", any rifle with a barrel longer than 6" but less than 16" is a "short barreled rifle" which is an NFA item. A shotgun is a smoothbore weapon with a barrel longer than 16", any shotgun with a barrel less than 16" is a "short barreled shotgun" which is also an NFA item. Any gun with a rifled barrel less than 6" is a handgun. There's a bit more to this but this is the basic classifications. And the classifications change slightly whenever a new President is inaugurated and a new BATF director is chosen.

Brody Williams
Brody Williams

Here's a handy infographic.

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Ayden Gutierrez
Ayden Gutierrez

I'm asking like what if you made a 120mm for personal use? What would the BATF do?

Jace Morris
Jace Morris

OK yeah, I agree. I also think you're a cuck if you think your boss earned his right to exploit you? Am I right? Yes. Is that an argument? No. I understand WHY they want to ban guns, don't get me wrong, the idea of getting blown away by some faggot is a little spooky. I just can't quite find the right position. The position that is completely defensible from all other positions. I support the right to bear arms and all, but I don't have the arguments down. How do you argue with some fifteen year old who wants to infantilize himself to protect himself from guns? I don't even fully understand how this would stop shootings? Police shoot people all the time in Burgerland, and I don't see how people couldn't get guns that way and shoot people. Or how they couldn't just go in a classroom, lock the door, and whip out the butcher knife? I don't know, and Holla Forums just keeps posting two Marx quotes and calling the students children. Come on Holla Forums dialecticians!

Nicholas Butler
Nicholas Butler

Nevermind. Web search is my friend:

Any explosive shells need an individual tax stamp and permit, which pretty much rules those out.

Nicholas Young
Nicholas Young

based america

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Jacob Barnes
Jacob Barnes

All rifles above caliber 1.0 are considered "Any Other Weapon" and require a special $200 tax stamp. This doesn't sound bad, until one considers that each and every round of 1.0 cal ammunition also requires a $200 tax stamp. Likewise as most 1.0 cal guns tend to be some sort of explosive device, that also has more restrictions applied to it. Think things like grenade launchers, grenade machineguns, mortars and rocket launchers.

Mortars in particular are also subject to other regulations given their popularity with terrorists (the IRA and Hezbollah in particular have had great success with them against British and Israeli police forces). This is because mortars are extremely easy to build compared to other types of artillery.

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Jaxon Miller
Jaxon Miller

I guess that means you make as much artillery and artillery practice shells as you want though.

Isaiah Reyes
Isaiah Reyes

The position that is completely defensible from all other positions.

Every child should get firearms training and be aware of what guns are and how they work. Knowledge is power. At age 18 citizens can join a citizens' volunteer militia which can work alongside police, taking on the role of meter maids and event security. Also rebuild the Civilian Conservation Corps, and require all citizens to participate in it for at least 12 months while they work to clean up rivers/mow lawns and understand what "ecology" is. At the very least, this would cut down on the fear and extremely idiocy which pervades society.

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Jayden Sanders
Jayden Sanders

Require citizens over the age of 18 to do anything

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Adrian Moore
Adrian Moore

The CCC is a peacenik alternative to a full blown military draft, which most socialist countries had. It's also one that would give people a clue about how humans are capable of destroying the environment. Most Americans are fat anyway and can use the exercise.

Justin Edwards
Justin Edwards

I don't even close to understand how a material justification can be given for guns but not over eating.

Ayden Sanchez
Ayden Sanchez

Okay, some of this is a bit much but I like it. Much love to Holla Forums

Joseph Clark
Joseph Clark

CCC volunteers were fed, that was partially the point of the CCC: to keep young men fed and not starving on the street, a situation which leads to gangs, terrorism and revolution. This is also why food stamps continue to exist.

Aaron Miller
Aaron Miller

Workers NEED to be armed for revolution to occur. Take your grabbing shit to, you reactionary Porky. /pol/index.html

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Matthew Allen
Matthew Allen

Fuck this bourgieous liberal protest. We need workers to be armed because your more likely to be killed by cops than in a mass shooting.

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Brandon Foster
Brandon Foster

Guns are designed to wound, maim and kill. That's the difference. If I'm looking for a way to kill someone, I'm buying a gun to blow his head off — not slowly getting him addicted to Coke.
That’s why we need more guns. To kill Porkies.

Blake Hughes
Blake Hughes

Who are killing us with cokes.

Julian Allen
Julian Allen

How is shooting at the cops going to help you not get killed by the cops?

Austin Barnes
Austin Barnes

hormones

Bentley Ward
Bentley Ward

this is your brain on liberalism

Samuel Kelly
Samuel Kelly

Pretty sure walther was thiking of target shooting when they designed this

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Ryder Powell
Ryder Powell

I hope these kids are the utter destruction of /pol/, Trump Gang and Republicans. Your guns will be fine, but the screeching autistics worried that seizing their guns will be the end of the world make me want to find out if that's true. Posadism now!

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Kevin Morris
Kevin Morris

fuck these protests
We should do one for activist bobby shmurda

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William Lopez
William Lopez

Fuck this shit, people's nuke ==NOW==

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Mason Evans
Mason Evans

Cops can't kill people if they are all dead.

Carter Taylor
Carter Taylor

Why don't you do it then?

Grayson Barnes
Grayson Barnes

Honestly, I legitimately hate this kid now

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Joshua Smith
Joshua Smith

is that the kid whose dad was an ex-cia agent?

Luke James
Luke James

Also, here some posters that will totally push for more gun control

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Sebastian Reyes
Sebastian Reyes

ITT: Why leftism is dead, and is never coming back in the first world.

Anthony Jenkins
Anthony Jenkins

one more

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Connor Jackson
Connor Jackson

This is why I fucking HATE posmods. Who's gonna take this seriously?

Nicholas Jackson
Nicholas Jackson

T H E Y ' R E G O O O D M E M E S

Elijah Martin
Elijah Martin

that first pic
He ain't even using the meme right.

Nathan Nguyen
Nathan Nguyen

Sorry, I meant ex-FBI

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Oliver Murphy
Oliver Murphy

WHAT ABOUT THE MEMES?

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Xavier Hall
Xavier Hall

Maybe Rafiq was right about memes

Logan Cox
Logan Cox

Generation tide pod is now a pillar of intellect in regards to social issues. God bless these brave leftists. I’ll be donating to David Hogg as soon as possible.

Xavier Garcia
Xavier Garcia

I know you're just being retarded but the law leads to a lot of cases of alcohol poisoning going untreated at colleges because they're too afraid of getting caught drinking underage.

Daniel Watson
Daniel Watson

I see like a true comrade, you browse Twitter Moments too.

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Zachary Foster
Zachary Foster

it just pop up and I was disgusted as hell

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Jayden Bennett
Jayden Bennett

Generation tide pod
Fucking lel
This is what I'm calling them now.

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Brayden Ramirez
Brayden Ramirez

I'm all for using satire to criticize capitalistic society, but do these kids think they're actually doing anything by using stupid memes that none of the legislators will even understand, let alone take seriously?

Blake Robinson
Blake Robinson

I don't get the price tag hanging in the microphone.

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Jordan Allen
Jordan Allen

Allowing normal people to own guns is the dumbest fucking thing I've ever seen a nation do. It doesn't do anything. And no, owning guns will not help any revolution because revolutions depend entirely on which side the military is on.

This fucking fantasy idea that gun ownership matters in any fucking degree is pathetic and fellow leftists here need to absolutely wake up from their frankly embarassing notions that guns do anything at all except perpetuate a shameful gun culture and death of innocent people.

Nicholas Nelson
Nicholas Nelson

Something something amount Marco Rubio took from NRA in excchange for dead childrens.

Michael Cook
Michael Cook

politics is about changing the world and not just a venue for self-care
lmao

Easton Garcia
Easton Garcia

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Tyler Morales
Tyler Morales

Allowing normal people to own guns is the dumbest fucking thing I've ever seen a nation do.
SHUT THE FUCK UP, LIBERAL

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Brayden Torres
Brayden Torres

it’s time to give up your guns white boi, hand em over pussy ass nigguh Dey fo US now

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Alexander Gomez
Alexander Gomez

Crisis actor confirmed?

Connor Davis
Connor Davis

It's defecting /pol/ who are both attaining hope that there are potential pro gun commies they can enlist to vote Republican and commiserating because they realize Trump is such utter shit that they're going to lose the House and Senate in 2018. I'm so sick of NRA trolls I might just take an anti gun stance PURELY out of disgust and spite. I'm a pro gun commie, but I'm exuberant to see the Alt Right's project generation Z rise up and spit on them. I hope these parkland kids chew up paid NRA congressmen and shit them out. Fucking reactionary autistic NRA trolls are clueless that guns will never be outlawed cuz it's in the bill of rights. We've had enough mass shootings without gun laws being passed that you would think they would realize that.

Jaxon Richardson
Jaxon Richardson

That's what people have been saying.
My whole thing is, that even if he isn't a crisis actor, everything he says should be treated extremely suspect. Most kids aren't free from their parents influence while they still live at home, let alone if their dad is an FBI agent. We don't know how much he is affecting his decisions.

James Lopez
James Lopez

this

Michael Jackson
Michael Jackson

yes
free bobby

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Anthony Sanders
Anthony Sanders

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muh crisis actors gun steal muh guns goys

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Nolan Jenkins
Nolan Jenkins

I bet he let pussycats in his dog house.

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Nicholas Rivera
Nicholas Rivera

Seems likely if for no other reason than how well orchestrated this whole media campaign around the Parkland kids has been. I don't know if the kids themselves are plants but I live nowhere near Parkland and the schools are plastered with professional looking posters. Somebody with money and reach is backing this thing.

Take a look at their list of demands, includes things like create a centralized database of guns for the dod, and require mental healthcare providers to give information about clients to law enforcement. Shit makes me paranoid too.

Angel Barnes
Angel Barnes

NRA trolls

is this a fucking joke? This is like saying EFF trolls or SPLC trolls. The NRA is not the alt-right and the NRA is not /pol/. The NRA itself only barely endorsed Trump and only because his only opposition was Hilary (whose husband passed the original Federal Assault Weapons ban). They aren't /pol/ either because /pol/ are cucks who will ban guns if it means they can continue sucking off Trump.

You're shitting on the wrong people.

Fucking reactionary autistic NRA trolls are clueless that guns will never be outlawed cuz it's in the bill of rights

That's completely wrong, the 2A can be interpreted in such a way that bans all civlillian gun ownership but still allows it for citizens "militias", also known as the police. Likewise the 1A and 4A can go out the window too, and taken to the extreme amendments can be repealed by new amendments as is the case with the 18A and 21A (Prohibition and it's repeal).

Fucking seriously, just stop and think for a second. For a full decade it was illegal to posses mere alcohol in America. BEER WAS ILLEGAL. If given the power the government will happily take guns too. And of course this all affects nonwhites much more than whites that have lawyers, creating Disparate Impact (which is illegal per the Civil Rights Act of 1964, which can also be nullified by the courts or repealed as most of /pol/ wants).

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Samuel White
Samuel White

acting sarcastic because ooga booga conspiracy
This is actually really tame.

Chase Stewart
Chase Stewart

They could have them live there for awhile to build a background. I'm sure the kids at the school would notice if they weren't in any of their year books or classes previously.

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Jacob Mitchell
Jacob Mitchell

Nevermind misread. But still adding to the conspiracy theory.

Aaron Jenkins
Aaron Jenkins

Please read a fucking book.

Read, literally, science if logic by George Hegel and capital by Karl marx abd read examine your stupidity.

Liam Morales
Liam Morales

Liberals claiming succdem Berniebros and neocons are the same because Killer Mike said something pro-gun
The theater of American politics never stops being entertaining.

Julian Barnes
Julian Barnes

youtube.com/watch?v=j9BvnHfwZPo

Ryder Jones
Ryder Jones

Imagine thinking bane was a representation of fascism.

Aaron Nelson
Aaron Nelson

[b]Not my words, just sharing here:[/b]

David Hogg and a few other actors giving antiGun speeches the morning of the Parkland shooting.

1. One girl bursts out laughing while pretending to cry.

2. The shooting didn’t happen in the morning. It happened in the afternoon.

youtube.com/watch?v=gZVioBDjFeM&lc=z23izlqzxy2hitdd3acdp4354jgzx0pxpdkuek2ia2lw03c010c.1521083474428444

#HoggWash

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Luke Smith
Luke Smith

Read, literally, science if logic by George Hegel and capital by Karl marx abd read examine your stupidity.
This is your text on phone-posting.

Josiah Reed
Josiah Reed

It's just sloppy activism, as to be expected from literal teenagers. Yet they get 24/7 AAA news coverage because they are demanding that the President be given more power, a thing that everyone seems to just accept as ok now even if they supposedly hate Trump.

Nathaniel Price
Nathaniel Price

I live in the age of glitchy phones.

Daniel Morales
Daniel Morales

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Jaxson Hughes
Jaxson Hughes

From what I've seen the typical mode of operation is to take advantage of naturally occurring events rather than creating them entirely. I'm not saying they never fabricate things from whole cloth but I'm more skeptical of conspiracies that require that to be the case. If the Parkland kids were trained, selected and shipped in beforehand that means whoever conspires to set this up has foreknowledge that a shooting is going to happen. Possible, but that takes a lot of work.

My personal take on how this sort of conspiracy would happen goes like this. There's a staffed and funded pr agency with int and military contacts somewhere. They've got a contract to turn the gun control debate in a direction that satisfies certain policy objectives of whoever is paying them. They know school shootings are a big media show and create opportunity to influence people. So they start laying the groundwork, polling, testing slogans, building social-media and ground teams. A few school shootings happen but they're not quite right for various reasons. Shooter is inconsistent with the narrative or it happens somewhere they have no good contacts or the time isn't right etc. This probably goes on for at least a year or more. Finally Parkland hits and the time seems ripe, they go through the list of students who are currently or have previously attended the school and get lucky, out of a few thousand there's a few kids whose parents are known political or int actors with the appropriate loyalties and some of their kids even have some media experience. They make some calls and the parents are willing. They roll out within hours and prep the kids to start saying the right things on tv and setting up interviews with friendly media. In a school of a few thousand you'll have at least a few kids who are willing to be part of a media operation and not ask too many questions if it means they get to be famous and fight the bad guys. The media operation is already set up they just need to plug in their names and faces.

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Austin Robinson
Austin Robinson

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Chase Russell
Chase Russell

Fuck off putin bot 😂

Owen Mitchell
Owen Mitchell

looks fake af

Logan Morris
Logan Morris

Even Dorner got killed by The Police eventually.

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Chase James
Chase James

Shit like this is what makes me dislike /pol/ so fucking much. It is so, so easy to play them and InfoWars types for fools. How the fuck do you know that's not some disinfo agent telling them exactly what they want to hear? How can you be so willing to believe the most vast of conspiracies but totally suck the dick of some "user insider" at the drop of a hat?

Joseph Morales
Joseph Morales

The government has psy op battalions already stationed all over the country.

facebook.com/16thPSYOPBN/
facebook.com/305thPSYOP/

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Eli Lopez
Eli Lopez

2nd pic
<exploiters
Doesn't that tell you everything you need to know?

Nathan Ortiz
Nathan Ortiz

Based Dorner. I wish when reactionaries lose their minds and go on killing rampages they at least target the right people.

Ryan Wood
Ryan Wood

psyop facebook page
It's weird how out in the open they are about it now.

Parker Flores
Parker Flores

what documentary?

Colton Green
Colton Green

I went to the range today instead of going to some stupid protest

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Charles Walker
Charles Walker

enjoy being dragged away into the darkness after being put on a list

Jacob Gray
Jacob Gray

being put on a list
if you post on leftypol i can guarantee you 100% you are already on a list

Aiden Stewart
Aiden Stewart

And liberals want more surveillance and bureaucracy on gun owners. Gun ownership is going to get more expensive to the chagrin of lower income communities
That's honestly my biggest fear they know how to put out the fire before shit hits the fan
Better than doing fuck all tho, at least if you're on a list you know you are doing something right

Levi Morris
Levi Morris

Isn't it also strange how primary conspiracy theories have become in the reactionary world-view in our times? Back in 2008 when people were still under the illusion that the Bush-era assault on civil liberties was an aberration, the whole FEMA camp meme, while absurd at face-value, had a certain amount of internal logic.

One wonders why anyone needs to believe in the specter of imaginary concentration camps when the whole country is really a prison. Why is it necessary to build a tertiary gulag system when the combination of constant 24/7 surveillance and the Kafkaesque complex of laws and institutions of American justice mean that one slip up and you're in jail. 20th century dictatorships arrested people for political purposes but the fact that the average American breaks a dozen laws a day without knowing it means there is no longer any need to openly arrest someone for political reasons–you merely find or invent a suitable pre-text.

In that sense, repression can be framed as post-political hence no need for a grand political conspiracy amounting to a coup d'état to drag the gun-toting, bible-thumping boomer away is necessary.

Speaking further, when conservatives were confident that they were the establishment, they pooh-poohed all conspiracies that weren't state-department friendly. In the Bush years, conspiracy theories were the province of the Left but in our time the conservative establishment can only keep itself abreast by pretending to be the anti-establishment and hence Trump and his entire media team act like they've got tin-foil hats on in the public eye.

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Christopher Wright
Christopher Wright

The thing is you can't beat it by randomly shouting "SHILL" at everyone.

Psychological operations work by making normal people believe the psyop is true.

Landon Parker
Landon Parker

no matter how much you LARP as revolutionaries.
LARPS about killing black people
popular support
force

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Charles Peterson
Charles Peterson

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Anthony Rogers
Anthony Rogers

I counter protested with a bunch of 2nd amendent Gadsden Flag wavers

Ethan Turner
Ethan Turner

imagine being insecure enough to actually take the time to come here and type this out.

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Carter Harris
Carter Harris

I could not possibly stand to be around anybody there. Even dealing with "socialists" irl is enough.

Julian Martin
Julian Martin

I kinda larp as a reactionary irl

Parker Hall
Parker Hall

We’ll just have the state take your weapons away from you then, fascist. Also quit being so paranoid, nobody is coming to take your little toys away, or ban them.

William Campbell
William Campbell

basically how it went

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Kevin Phillips
Kevin Phillips

Gun ownership is going to get more expensive to the chagrin of lower income communities
That is the point of this whole charade. Rich celebrities and capitalists can always hire security guards and can count on police support:
prepareforchange.net/2018/03/05/hollywoods-hypocrisy-exposed-stars-call-gun-control-oscars-surrounded-500-guns/

The fanaticism of America's liberal elite in favor of gun control reminds me of a similar observation that has been made about how they rail against borders and walls in public and return to the safety of their gated communities. People who will likely never compete with an immigrant for a job are the people who tell workers how they should talk about such things. Similarly, people who will likely never be exposed to violence, let alone state violence, deign to lecture us on why we don't really need that gun we're carrying or keep under the mattress.

We also know that access to weaponry in modern and early modern Europe affected everything from wage-rates to what sort of privileges that peasants were allowed to keep.

I think it essentially boil down to this: the American elite knows that the American working class is angry and waking up. In view of this, the potential exists from their perspective for a long-term period of social instability. In Europe, you have strikes, protests and riots but few countries allow American-level access to firearms. So, the protests their end up being like a therapeutic outburst, which while inconvenient, is necessary so things can keep functioning. I think that the gun laws of other OECD countries have likely stopped revolution in the OECD, especially in Europe where there have always been militant and well-organized prole movements.

I believe America's bourgeoisie is silently terrified at the thought that after liberalizing gun laws at the behest of reactionary organizations like the NRA that workers are gonna take their guns into the workplace with them, that they will take them to protests and who knows what might happen? Inequality is exploding and it seems that the plan of the elite is fundamentally anti-reformist, you could even say accelerationist. Maybe this explains the heavy drive for gun control? I've never seen anything like this in my lifetime or at least anything I can remember after being politically aware.

What do you guys think?

Jordan Ross
Jordan Ross

I dont think most of them are aware of much of any of this shit.
I think most of them are completely blind to anything outside the "liberals vs conservatives" circus.
yeah, if you suggested to them that poor people should have guns so they can go on strike armed and kill the cops if they try to fuck with it, they'd call you a crazy insane violent extremist terrorist, but not because they're afraid of it happening, just because its completely outside the window of what they'll consider.

Camden Mitchell
Camden Mitchell

That ship sailed when the government started spying on everyone without warrants.

Jonathan Wood
Jonathan Wood

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Julian Lopez
Julian Lopez

I think you are correct. Cheap ARs and AKs are getting harder to find. Ammo is also seeing an increase in price per round. What used to be a working sport like hunting and shooting will become gentrified to the point where only petty-bourg will shoot their government approved rifle with biometrics and tracking devices on a nice golfcourse like range. Where only those who can pay can have access, owning guns is going to be another class barrier much like education or 'affordable' housing. Not to mention you are adding on an already corrupt and incompetent government bureacracy.
Liberals think they are doing good by advocating for sensible gun control like more training and background checks with ammo but these programs will likely become more monetized thus fucking over poor people. Liberals live in a ideal of moral superiority, they don't give a damn about the consequences. As long as it confirms their moral righteousness and ideologues. Some of these kids are genuine others are doing it for political gain but in the end they are being used by special interest groups to push for a more massive militarized police/surveillance state.

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Evan Carter
Evan Carter

ITT: Liberals are trying to disarm the working class again.

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Oliver Gray
Oliver Gray

fellow leftists

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Jack Gutierrez
Jack Gutierrez

what did he mean by this?

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Parker Perry
Parker Perry

Also forgot to mention the average prole would turn to the black market/private deals to find cheap firearms thus bypassing any regulations on the SALES of firearms making the whole gun control thing nul and ineffective

Ian Garcia
Ian Garcia

Why does Gonzalez support pedophilia and underage sex?

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Lucas Clark
Lucas Clark

It's all "for the children", their children at least. Liberals especially Democrats don't give a shit about poor people, at most they only care about race or sexual orientation. Which is why they don't do anything to stop the broader slide into poverty half the country is facing, even as this slide destroys the businesses (TV, film, toys, cars, videogames) they rely on due to a lack of money.

It's actually very christian, and speaks to their roots as christian democrats. They legit don't care if people are poor or starve, even if they can no longer afford the services they provide. They only care about being correct and only care about their morality. It is all ideological purity testing, used to badly disguise the capitalist system they willingly support.

David Garcia
David Garcia

They only care about being correct and only care about their morality
They aren't, and they have none.

They legit don't care if people are poor
It's actually very christian

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Levi Jones
Levi Jones

I'm thinking "christian" in the WASP sense, not the catholic/european sense. WASPs are all social darwinists and their scripture backs their treatment of poor people, who are more often than not alcoholics, nonwhites, or (gasp) catholics anyway.

Jaxon Perry
Jaxon Perry

nice posts

Easton Robinson
Easton Robinson

WASP
Did you come step out of a time warp from the 1980s?

Julian Smith
Julian Smith

I hope these kids are the utter destruction of /pol/, Trump Gang and Republicans.

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Jack Lopez
Jack Lopez

Sorry, he meant 0.56ASP

Justin Roberts
Justin Roberts

yes and so did everyone endorsing gun control. Their parents grew up in the 70s/80s and were known to be bitchy and annoying back then too. Their spawn emulates them but with a warped view of humanism.

Brayden Smith
Brayden Smith

because revolutions depend entirely on which side the military is on.
The military in America is very reactionary. It’d be great for them to be on our side, but’s it’s unlikely.

Allowing normal people to own guns is the dumbest fucking thing I've ever seen a nation do.
Hunting, shooting, and having fun with guns is part of our culture. It’s just alienation and mental illness which fucks everything up. Seriously more people die of cops than in mass shootings. Armed civilians also help detour gang violence and organized crime.

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Caleb Richardson
Caleb Richardson

American liberals are tools for bourgy. Their identity politics in every direction amounts to "strip rights from the poor while the rich are allowed to continue business as usual". They then have the barefaced cheek to claim they're impacting everyone.

Grayson Hill
Grayson Hill

Better be this Gadsden Flag.

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Liam Morgan
Liam Morgan

woke people will defend this

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Camden Nguyen
Camden Nguyen

Seems like 1/4 of the threads on 4/pol/ right now are just photos of Gonzalez and Hogg. This whole affair is very strange.

Carson Thomas
Carson Thomas

why don't they march against reactionaries owning guns?
just do it under the pretext of disarming the "mentally ill", it's the same thing after all
everytime they do it that's the excuse given
other than that it's disgusting nonetheless, they need to arm the workers and disarm the police
also every child needs to get basic military training

Connor Allen
Connor Allen

why don't they march against reactionaries owning guns
how do you prove someone is a reactionary when they go to purchase a firearm

Colton Nelson
Colton Nelson

good on him. need more of this at these events.

Asher Bailey
Asher Bailey

explained in the next line
just do it under the pretext of disarming the "mentally ill", it's the same thing after all
IQ test will get them all

Brayden Foster
Brayden Foster

i was actually going for "autism level", since mental issues should disqualify, not "intelligence", that'd only be used to disarm the poor that simply lack opportunity for proper education

Jace Jones
Jace Jones

Please tell me gunmen appeared at the march and shot these faggots.

Jack Sanchez
Jack Sanchez

The list is us friendo

Gavin Wood
Gavin Wood

This is how I imagine a 32 year old Social Media Marketing executives from Silicon Valley thinks how a 15 year old would think about gun violence. Buuuuuuuuur t’s not like said individuals are instrumental, or have any significant influence in this beautiful grass-roots leftist event ;^)

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Chase Nelson
Chase Nelson

DUDE CLEVER SIGNS AND POP CULTURE REFERENCES LMAO
I fucking hate liberals.

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Easton Bailey
Easton Bailey

Somebody post that screencap about how Harry Potter is liberal

Sebastian Rodriguez
Sebastian Rodriguez

Why is it always, ALWAYS fucking Harry Potter?

Isaac Butler
Isaac Butler

why are they so loathsome
as if their messages aren't retarded enough in content

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Nolan Butler
Nolan Butler

no Harry Potter gf

Brandon Hernandez
Brandon Hernandez

because Harry Potter is the epitome of literature that is both woke and bizarrely reactionary

Sebastian Anderson
Sebastian Anderson

Most Harry Potter girls sucked though. Hermione was the worst though since she was the author's self-insert.

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Jonathan Allen
Jonathan Allen

Should i send this to some super lib i know?

Kevin Price
Kevin Price

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Jordan Perry
Jordan Perry

Chum bucket was fuckin lit. The Krabby Patty is nothing but capitalism with the human face

Jack Evans
Jack Evans

*The Krusty Krab fml

Charles Garcia
Charles Garcia

What’s even more disturbing is all the trash, and shit these so called “students” left behind. You literally can’t make this shit up, there’s no way these were actual high schoolers, I saw them being bussed in, and even took pictures.

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David Price
David Price

in your post:
why third worldism is defeatism and in essence just as bad as fascism

Jaxson Scott
Jaxson Scott

this actually pisses me off, they care so little about their movement they just dump the signs. I still have all the signs I made to protest Scott Walker

Brody Adams
Brody Adams

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Cooper Reed
Cooper Reed

more harry potter references

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Leo White
Leo White

i knew next to nothing about current firearms regulations yet, i should be taken seriously in my demand for more.

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Levi Wilson
Levi Wilson

the similarities of this with the social democrats attitude towards the nazis and their delusion of being able to "fight them" simply on legal grounds is amazing but not surprising, this is really getting to the core of their ideology
nice work by that user

Brody Cook
Brody Cook

Change privacy laws between mental health providers and police
Jesus these kids are walking a fine line here and probably don't realize how dangerous this is

Jayden Young
Jayden Young

What country even uses Semi Auto rifles as their standard issue?

Easton Wood
Easton Wood

I just lost a shitload of faith today that I really should not have posessed to begin with.

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Austin Bell
Austin Bell

that such a thing as "civilians" even exists is disgusting in itself. anyone able-bodied and mentally fit needs mandatory military training and to do some form of service at a gun at least once in their lifetime, and be it just guard at their regular workplace.
"civilian" is a poor excuse for people to drop responsibility while insisting on rights while just dicking around. fuck "civilians", everyone becomes a reserve.

Jonathan Young
Jonathan Young

Basically this abolish the police, replace them with rotating people's militias.

Ayden Cox
Ayden Cox

Some of them are pretty nice draftsmen too.

Angel Perry
Angel Perry

Has anybody thought to grab a couple and ask them some questions?

Jonathan Cook
Jonathan Cook

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Wyatt Harris
Wyatt Harris

they're going to become more invasive with the psychologists. “Forgive them, they know not what they do,” says Biopower, and readies the syringe.

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Julian Long
Julian Long

what kind of sight is that on the gun? it's not a lense but some weird little grid net and there's a cable going in on the side

David Gonzalez
David Gonzalez

The "P" is a hammer and sickle.
Some of you guys are all right…

Dylan Bell
Dylan Bell

It's a standard Leupold 4.5x14 Vary X Scope with a honeycomb filter on the front. The thing that looks like the wire is the adjustable carrying handle.

inetres.com/gp/military/infantry/rifle/M107.html
amazon.com/Hawke-Sport-Optics-Honeycomb-Adjustable/dp/B007UYS21S/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1521963961&sr=8-1&keywords=honeycomb scope

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Bentley Price
Bentley Price

thank you
i can see now that the angle made the handle look weird, as if an attachement to the scope
and a honeycomb filter seems interesting, wonder why i've never noticed those before

Lucas Wilson
Lucas Wilson

Kek, the heroin needles.

Caleb Nguyen
Caleb Nguyen

The Spanish Civil War Part 4: Franco and the Nationalists. It's all on youtube. Here's the exact timestamp: youtu.be/iUZRlaSjN0A?t=21m1s

Ethan Ross
Ethan Ross

SHUT THE FUCK UP LIBERAL

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Jonathan Brown
Jonathan Brown

AAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHGGGGHHHRRRRRRRAAAAAGGGHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Jose Lewis
Jose Lewis

March to disarm everyone but the authorities

Elijah Garcia
Elijah Garcia

Hear, hear!

Lucas Gutierrez
Lucas Gutierrez

revolutions depend entirely on which side the military is on.
This has not been the case in the majority of revolutions.

Robert Fisher
Robert Fisher

I know you guys have pointed out that the small-headed kid's dad is ex-FBI, but don't forget that Gonzalez's dad fled from Cuba.

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Charles Torres
Charles Torres

So he’s a Gusano?

Robert Walker
Robert Walker

No, he's a headstrong, self-made man who managed to narrowly escape Castro's horrific purges ;^)

Elijah Harris
Elijah Harris

gusanos

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Kevin Taylor
Kevin Taylor

Why is it always fucking Harry Potter?

On every single issue from abortion to gun control to immigration liberals always have to make some smug fucking Harry Potter reference.

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Dylan Reed
Dylan Reed

yeah but Kaczinsky did nothing wrong

Gabriel Hernandez
Gabriel Hernandez

These kids are all liberal upper class shitheads who are only in it to promote themselves for a future in democratic party politics. No idea why so many socdem types worship them. The chapo subreddit in particular thinks that Hogg is amazinc being blantantly pro-cop.

Jason Flores
Jason Flores

sloppy
You mean extremely well organized top-down activism™

Levi Edwards
Levi Edwards

No idea why so many socdem types worship them
Who exactly do you think "socdem types" are, it's the exact people you're describing. What do you think their end game is? Further empowerment of the ruling class at the expense of the workers, literally every political position they hold breaks down along these lines.

Jeremiah Parker
Jeremiah Parker

shut up you fucking liberal
we're all already on lists

Grayson Moore
Grayson Moore

Quit the bullshit, None of those pictures are yours and the last two are old and unrelated.
thejournal.ie/crack-cocaine-dublin-3160366-Dec2016/
google.com.br/imgres?imgurl=http://blog.sfgate.com/sfmoms/files/2014/12/drugs.jpg?w=640&imgrefurl=http://parademic.typepad.com/my-blog/2017/07/index.html&h=960&w=720&tbnid=enk03YTwxaYO8M&tbnh=259&tbnw=194&usg=__JrVdSw0A_hcMOUAzE2kd8E1jP2U=&docid=-HonKWtxndQo9M
The last one is also completelly fabricated
unused needles
unused condoms
unburnt spoon
random locks and bikelock
everything convinently piled up

Mason Rogers
Mason Rogers

UNDER.
NO.
PRETEXT.

Julian Sullivan
Julian Sullivan

Also who gives a shit about littering? Petite bourg fucktard need to get out.

Asher Cruz
Asher Cruz

Caring about trash is petit bourg now????

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