Is there a obscure/theoretical idea that is more "left" than communism?
If so what is it. It can be argued that communism is just the level 2 of the iceberg and all of us have yet to discover the obscure esoteric shit, the type of stuff that has terminology that seems like it came from a foreign language to Earth.
Is there a obscure/theoretical idea that is more "left" than communism?
Is there a obscure/theoretical idea that is more "left" than communism?
There probably is, but is more complex than we could ever imagine
Anarcho-Communism and Anarchy.
Would it per chance be written down?
Ancoms are still communist.
Posadism is the bottom level.
It's probably level 5 honestly but not the bottom.
this is the endgame
Are you just shitposting or are you actually claiming that somehow the events in Evangelion and to an extent gnostic christianity are somehow more left than communism?
I can unironically envision that.
I think it's actually classified as a form of anarchism since communism in it is just a descriptor of a stateless society – anarchy.
Honestly, the only thing I could imagine is a society wherein instead of having access to the fruits of the means of production, everyone has access to their own personal means of production. The denizens of such a society could move about the galaxy and terraform planets with simply a flick of their wrist, and would ultimately surpass the Abrahamic God in their seeming omnipotence.
For a fictional example, see the relationship between the Federation and the Q Continuum in Star Trek: The Next Generation.
I want that glass. Know where I can find it?
That's just automated communism I believe.
Shitposting, i don't know how you'd fit turning humanity into a single being on our standard political compass
Nope sorry it's just the first result when you search evangelion tang on google but i'm sure that there are sites to buy custom drinking glasses
Oh shit nigger a real answer.
it's still a form of communism i guess, but the communizer tendency of left-communism is basically as far left as you can get.
Its whatever happens after pic related
One thing that could be even further left would be if humanity simply evolved and lost its necessity for personal property. People would share their cars, houses, etc
YOU ARE ALL GNOSTICS
NONE OF YOU ARE FREE OF GNOSTICISM
Second thought that's simultaneously far left and far right.
Jim Jones immortal praxis praise of revolutionary suicide.
LONG LIVE PEOPLE'S TEMPLE
LONG LIVE JIM JONES REVOLUTIONARY THOUGHT
Pic related is all other answers.
Stirnerism is what you seek.
The merging of all life into one being is theoretically both the most left and most egoist thing possible.
Not just class contradiction, but all contradiction ends, further, it is in everyone's best interest as, given physical continuity, your brain being physically incorporated, your stream of consciousness is uninterrupted and eternal. The individual experience of each being who joined would be, rather than the conventional understanding of being consumed, a great expansion of one's mind, receiving the knowledge of all other beings freely.
1. The Fukuyamist concept of the end of history is achieved by ending all dialectical contradiction, the closest thing possible to a physical manifestation of Hegel's Ideal.
2. No one loses.
3. Everyone wins.
It's my personal mission in life to turn this whole board into unironic hive mind fetishists like myself.
how about this: experience is contradiction
Man works with various motives. There cannot be work without motive. Some people want to get fame, and they work for fame. Others want money, and they work for money. Others want to have power, and they work for power. Others want to get to heaven, and they work for the same. Others want to leave a name when they die, as they do in China, where no man gets a title until he is dead; and that is a better way, after all, than with us. When a man does something very good there, they give a title of nobility to his father, who is dead, or to his grandfather. Some people work for that. Some of the followers of certain Mohammedan sects work all their lives to have a big tomb built for them when they die. I know sects among whom, as soon as a child is born, a tomb is prepared for it; that is among them the most important work a man has to do, and the bigger and the finer the tomb, the better off the man is supposed to be. Others work as a penance; do all sorts of wicked things, then erect a temple, or give something to the priests to buy them off and obtain from them a passport to heaven. They think that this kind of beneficence will clear them and they will go scot-free in spite of their sinfulness. Such are some of the various motives for work.
Work for work's sake. There are some who are really the salt of the earth in every country and who work for work's sake, who do not care for name, or fame, or even to go to heaven. They work just because good will come of it. There are others who do good to the poor and help mankind from still higher motives, because they believe in doing good and love good. The motive for name and fame seldom brings immediate results, as a rule; they come to us when we are old and have almost done with life. If a man works without any selfish motive in view, does he not gain anything? Yes, he gains the highest. Unselfishness is more paying, only people have not the patience to practise it. It is more paying from the point of view of health also. Love, truth and unselfishness are not merely moral figures of speech, but they form our highest ideal, because in them lies such a manifestation of power. In the first place, a man who can work for five days, or even for five minutes, without any selfish motive whatever, without thinking of future, of heaven, of punishment, or anything of the kind, has in him the capacity to become a powerful moral giant. It is hard to do it, but in the heart of our hearts we know its value, and the good it brings. It is the greatest manifestation of power–this tremendous restraint; self-restraint is a manifestation of greater power than all outgoing action. A carriage with four horses may rush down a hill unrestrained, or the coachman may curb the horses. Which is the greater manifestation of power, to let them go or to hold them? A cannonball flying through the air goes a long distance and falls. Another is cut short in its flight by striking against a wall, and the impact generates intense heat. All outgoing energy following a selfish motive is frittered away; itwill not cause power to return to you; but if restrained, it will result in development of power. This self-control will tend to produce a mighty will, a character which makes a Christ or a Buddha. Foolish men do not know this secret; they nevertheless want to rule mankind. Even a fool may rule the whole world if he works and waits. Let him wait a few years, restrain that foolish idea of governing; and when that idea is wholly gone, he will be a power in the world. The majority of us cannot see beyond a few years, just as some animals cannot see beyond a few steps. Just a little narrow circle — that is our world. We have not the patience to look beyond, and thus become immoral and wicked. This is our weakness, our powerlessness.
In the Lacanian sense? Maybe. If there is an escape from the self like the Buddhists claim, I'd imagine the sum total of all processing power and knowledge on earth would be able to achieve it.
I don't know Lacan, my bad. I'm only saying that when you mean something about experience, you can't only have that idea be about satisfaction and nothing else.
I'm having less skeptical about a world intelligence though: to me, it wouldn't be continuously active. It would be inert most of the time, having its machinery carry out extremely complicated tasks for thousands of years, but automatically according to predetermined overlapping cycles. Then for a minute it would turn on, take in the new world it had made, immediately make new sense and purpose of it, and shut down again, sending its machinery back out into the world.
Perhaps, but we can't truly know it until a real communist society exists, only then will it be time once again for the material conditions to appear and the next revolution take place, this is what should seperate the left from the right, the right believes that their system is final and should be installed and unchanged at all costs whereas the left should accept that only through permanent flux can the ideal political system be achieved
The contradiction between urban and rural areas will never be resolved, even under socialism. Urban areas will always dominate the rural. The only way to escape this contradiction is through transhumanist agrarianism. First give every village 3d printing machines, then force everyone into the countryside.
Without transcending the urban-rural contradiction, genuine egalitarian society is impossible.
Basically, Pol Pot was right. His only mistake was being born before the invention of 3D printers.
lol that pic more or less chronicles my journey over the last couple of years.
anyone have the one that's an iceberg?
whatever is more left than communism can only be revealed by the implementation of communism and the dialectical uncovering of its contradictions. durr
This one is the true answer.
Searching for a more left thing than communism is like planning the sequel of a movie even before the first one has been even filmed.
No but its important to know that anarchism = communism.
=BECOME THE SPOOK==
MADE BY ANARCHOJUCHE GANG
I see that Baudrillard is missing from these images and I feel personally attacked.
I've been playing with the idea of onto-communism. Communism is worth retaining because ownership is an illusion which should be done away with. The onto is short for ontological- the point is that communism is woven into the fabric of reality so that in a way any teleology is short-circuited. The goal of achieving communism and the inevitability of communism in history can remain, but they are not fundamental- what is fundamental is the way in which all things are interrelated and interpenetrating each other already. In this sense, there is no victory for the enemy, there is not even really an enemy.
This kind of thinking takes the science/religion distinction to the limit and winds up in a kind of stoic state of being at rest because things simply are what they are and couldn't be any other way. None of which is to deny radical politics or goal oriented behavior. But there's always the safety net where if you don't succeed, it's ok. I know it sounds lame, but think of all the people who died for a good cause- did they just lose? No, they have honor and dignity, they existed in eternity just as we do, and just as we will have done even if we die without vindicating ourselves.
I think this kind of thinking is beyond most Marxists. I don't agree with "we implement communism first and then see" because that's to assume that we've already had all the ideas necessary to implement communism. In reality I think the only way to get people to share is to make them see that we are all mixed up together already, not as discrete as we think.
That's good my boirad, but get on my level
I had a dream about something like this once actually,
I was placed in a 'society' that had physically and mentally evolved way past anything, their mouths had shrunken because they did not speak, they did not speak because "understanding has replaced the need for talking and communicating, as well as being the new way of communicating" they were definitely egalitarian compared to today, but they had developed so much out of external dependence that it didn't even really seem like that. All of them lived forever so you could literally find your great great great grandparents if you wanted to, it was never an issue with the population size because the universe was infinite and they sort of already had it completely tamed
Look up the esoteric and occult roots of communism. Most of the info will be from Christian sources, but they have the facts mostly right. And of course, you should have no problem supporting these "satanic" ideas. But the core of it is that communism is in fact based in ancient scripture and you're correct that it goes much deeper than most people realize.
ABOLISH THE HUMAN RACE
this is the sort of conspiracy lolberts push to discredit any leftist thought
Hardly. Christian rightists falsely assume everyone shares their moral and ethical standards when in reality, the supposed evil in Abrahamic theology was often sympathetic. God was an asshole, but people are expected to sympathize with him instead, because fuck you, he said so.
Merging with the collective unconscious
This but unironically
Transhumanism, basically. After the social ownership of the means of production comes transcending the means of production — being able to have a consciousness without production of food or basic human needs.
Do you have any books I can read in regards to this or are you epic trolling me?
Trying to imagine the solution to the future contradictions of an economic model that solves contradictions we have today is pretty much impossible. You would have to imagine some kind of society shattering technological change, at which point it is so different and foreign to you that trying to rationalize about it is impossible. You do not understand or know communist society, what people think and how they act, and you dont have any experience with this fantasy technology.
All your fantasies are going to end up being projections of past or current social issues upon a jetson-esque fantasy image of the future.
Yes, except the ultimate redpill is realizing they're right, and communism is still the correct answer.
Communism falls under the umbrella of millennialism, which has existed since the earliest civilizations. The idea of a coming golden age of redemption for mankind plays a key role in the growth and development of any civilization. Communism is merely the form that fits our modern age. Doesn't mean it's wrong, just not unique.
Not trolling. Honestly, just start by googling "occult roots of communism". No single book or article is going to help you here. Also read about the links between communism and millennialism. Bonus: Read about the New Age movement in the early 20th century, especially writers such a Helena Blavatsky, Alice Bailey, and Charles Webster Leadbeater. Then read about Luciferianism, and its ties to communism.
Personally, I used to be an extreme leftist until I learned about all this, and I went through a serious reactionary period for about a year, until just a few weeks ago. Then I realized that communism is the natural progression of civilization, and to go against nature is wrong, and in fact we should be supporting this process, even if requires the culling of humanity like sheep, as you will see these Luciferians have no problem with.
I have bad news for you, "comrade".
I hope to drop acid with you someday.
Are you me lol?
For me the turning point was realising no matter how much I try to repress my feelings I will always be more comfortable among 🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱 leftists🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱. I see rightists as the true evil, it sounds like I'm memeing but it is them who have no problem with culling, as long as the culling is done by white cishet Christian males. Their appeals to muh tradition are so fucking hypocritical, it all boils down to "I hate queers and it hurts my feels when they're having fun"
Indeed, considering I'm from NYC and everyone I know is a liberal, and there are plenty of commies around here, it's not the easiest thing to be a reactionary, and I think it was just me being angsty and not wanting to conform to the crowd. Of course, I'll always find new ways to nonconform, but being a right winger isn't the way.
If you did any reading on the matter you would learn that communism is a millennial philosophy and it's not any different except in outward appearance. And what do you mean "falling for the utopianism meme"? Is communist not utopian? What exactly do you think it is?