I'm a devout Christian and i'm looking for information on Christian socialism, does anyone have anything?
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Anyone willing to help this fellow comrade? I Can't help him.
If you're interested because you're interested start with Ammon Hennacy
If we're doing your homework for you
We've got a few christcoms here, just keep this shit bumped til they arrive. I'll post some communist jesus memes later my comrade
Taiping Heavenly Kingdom was socialist.
Hong was a heretic but his life story is fucking hilarious.
Go away Galileans. Galileans belong to the circus
socialism has to be voluntary association. for example communal living and sharing of property works in monasteries. it doesn't work in prison where people are forced to relinquish their values and worldview by coercion.
And yet prisons function just fine. Really makes you think.
go to prison and see how you function there
You must be an American. Other countries focuses on rehabilitation, not punitive justice.
I'm in a former communist country, their prisons haven't been modernized. They are literally hell.
Retributive justice is the only true justice, personal revenge being the highest form of it. Only people guilty of unfairly imprisoning others or promoting the unfairly imprisonment of others (this is you) should be imprisoned for life.
"Thus you shall not show pity: life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot." Deuteronomy 19:21
I named a few in a thread here
Welcome to the gang
Smh you picked the wrong fight.
You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth.’ But I say to you, do not resist an evil person; but whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also.
Also what do you mean by
I don't recall calling for mass, arbitrary jailing of people at any point in this thread.
Grow up, kid.
And yet you promote imprisoning evil people to rehabilitate them. Where's that in the bible? Answer: nowhere.
No but you call for the imprisonment of people not guilty of the act of unfairly imprisoning others such as murders, rapists and thieves, etc. That's unjust. In order to be a just punishment then murderers should be killed, rapists should be raped and thieves should have their possessions confiscated.
Sorry, Socialism and Christianity don't go together.
The only possible way is what said. It has to be totally voluntary and lack any force.
Practical on a small scale, probably not larger tho
Why don't you just be a Socialist instead of specially a Christian socialist. That's unless you wish Christianity to play a large or moderate role in the new Socialist society in which case your society is no longer materialist and it's basically going to slowly devolve into some form of hostility to people of other religions or no religions and their role in the goverment and Church
The sacrament of penance, you know one of the most revered sacrament.
That's not how the Bible works you dingus. The New Testament is a lot more important than the Old.
It's literally as close as we're ever going to get to the sermon on the mount.
Majority of people would agree with me that it is not, in fact, just to rape rapists and confiscate the possession of thieves etc. along the lines you propose.
Think carefully about how God handed over the world to humanity. More honest right-wing thinkers like Locke recognized that God gave the Earth to mankind in common. Capitalism was literally founded on theft, ex. Enclosure Acts in England.
Guilty as charged.
Oops forgot about reddit spacing. Oh well. I hope you all enjoy.
So, would you live a Christian life if that's all you'd get?
No afterlife? Just the one on earth?
Read Socrates. Or Plato pretending to be Socrates.
The world is for mankind insofar as men are divide amongst their nations and tribes. Nationhood is a big issue in the bible.
He divided the world and gave the nations their own inheritances: "When the Most High gave the nations their inheritance, When He separated the sons of man, He set the boundaries of the peoples According to the number of the sons of Israel. "For the LORD'S portion is His people; Jacob is the allotment of His inheritance.…"
Christianity allows people to experiment with different economic systems as long as they do it in a godly and virtuous way in accord with divine and natural law. So you can organize your business communally or privately as long as people acquiesce and voluntarily engage with you.
Yet if people find themselves in master-slave situations they are not told to revolt and overthrow the system, but to bear their sufferings wisely for life is more than just money and clothes, and what happens to your body is far less important than what happens to your soul.
Yet the division (Tower of Babel) happened after the world was given as dominion to Man, not before. And the reason nations were created was because it was a punishment for us being prideful. In the New Testament, national distinctions such as Greek, Jew, etc. matter no more so long as you accept Jesus as Lord. Given that no nation besides Israel has been blessed by the Lord, and given that national boundaries shift all the time due to nations rising and falling, making the interpretation of a supposed permanent inheritance dubious, it should seem logical that using nationalism to justify a theory of property is a theological dead end.
Christianity is fascism
But man is still prideful, even if we accept Christ or reject him it's extremely rare to be a "saint". So nations and differences will be operative until the end of time. As God wills it.
it also says no male or female, but this is purely in the spiritual sense, not in the physical or social sense; men and women have different functions and duties, diffferences will persist in the earthly sense, hence women are not allowed to become priests and bishops in both catholicism and orthodoxy.
what do you mean by fascist?
Because your oppressive to people who arent you. Cant allow you to have power anymore.
what/who are you referring to?
You know what i mean, quite playing dumb.
I'm not a fascist if that's what u mean, im christian.
But the generic definition of fascism can encompass communist/socialist authoritarianism as well since its up to the state/people to seize control of the means of production and nationalize or control industries that were once owned by others, this would be oppressive:
"Fascism /ˈfæʃɪzəm/ is a form of radical authoritarian nationalism, characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition and control of industry and commerce, which came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe."
What the fuck are you even talking about?
Christians don't forcibly hate whoever isn't a Christian, the Catholic Church for example, believes that all abrahamic religions are to be respected and all of their followers are destined to heaven since they worship God
People of your faith have done things like that. At a time when church and state were together. I know you guys are working on your optics here, trying to be a cute and buddy buddy (cute little christ chan). It doesnt work on me.
Nah, all these lads are doing, they want you pious, humble, outside ideology to baptize you :)
Idk what denomination you are, OP, but if you're Catholic you're in good luck. Google Catholic worker and liberation theology
ya be careful with that stuff its neither catholic nor socialist/worker related, but a perversion of both
That's not biblical but still that's a voluntary action and not involuntary like prison, you can't force people to repent. Also someone that truly repents of their offence toward others would want to suffer the same offence he inflicted on others e.g. if he is a murderer then he would want to be killed and if there is no one willing to do that then he would kill himself and still that wouldn't atone for his offence.
I tremendously prefer the New Testament over the Old but I would replace Jesus's pacifism with the Old Testament's retributivism (which was plagiarized from the Babylonian Code of Hammurabi) and then throw the rest of the Old Testament out.
There is nothing in the sermon on the mount that ever implies that, it just says to not resist an evil person.
I'm not a democratic moral relativist, I'm a moral absolutist: just is just and unjust is unjust regardless of the majority popular opinion. You should be ashamed to say that as a Christian.
Read New Testament and Leo Tolstoy.
I would also suggest this Christian-Stalinist-China apologist blog
*someone that truly repents of their offence toward others and would seriously seek atonement
the definition of fascism is pic related. it means private corporations run the government, which is why it is also called corporatism.
Pfft let's be real this is a board run by MLs and staunch atheists. None of us here are trying to convert any of you; we come here for our own purposes.
"As God wills it". So the creation of the Soviet Union and the immense persecution our brothers and sisters suffered as a result was God deliberately killing off one of the most devout centers of faith, and their borders and expansion was blessed by Him? Or could it be that, actually, Satan had a point when he offered all the kingdoms of the Earth to Jesus if he would but bow down to him?
Ew. Read attached please.
…What? That's heresy. Even the heaven described in the Qur'an and the Bible are manifestly different.
That's not why Christianity and Socialism don't go together, it's why it doesn't go together with capitalism.
You can have a personal ideology without wanting to force it on the rest of society, I know this is shocking for ☭TANKIE☭s but yes it is possible.
Soviet Union being atheist doesn't change the fact that Roland Boer is a well-read man and great author!
No proselytizing and no special considerations will be made for religious belief. ☭TANKIE☭s won't stop you from believing and praying in private. They won't take you seriously, either, though. Not only is personal ideology not being forced on others not a surprise, it's an expectation.
Those gulags must be real imkamphy.
Rolled 160 + 777 (1d666)
He was a brown skinned indian you know… plenty of color photos of him. Why the black and white?
That mad is horrifying
What's up with the relatively recent influx of christcoms?
Where do they come from?
What's up with it? I
Simple. Since the NazBol meme is dying and never had much theory behind it or much real life advocates the group split. Some went back to being Nazis. Others mutated to some sort of S.trasserite-LeftNat-Gaddafian-Assadians and the rest actually went deeper into socialist theory and got rid of some spooks. Except religion. Now they are growing in numbers since some Christian social reactionaries are tired of neoliberalism too. It's an interesting happening but I am not sure how to judge it yet.
Reddit fedoraism is now uncool, so people revert to christianity
Capitalism also uncool because they realised that both magapedes and SJWs are pro capitalism