Leftist Gender Theory

Parker Bennett
Parker Bennett

Both liberal and conservative histrionics about pronouns and such in the mass media have obscured the much deeper ramifications gender issues have on how a society operates, especially under capitalism. Let's remediate this by sharing and discussing properly socialist literature regarding sex, gender, the family and how these relate to the capitalist mode of production, bourgeois domination and class struggle.

Some interesting bits to start the thread off:
Klaus Theweleit, Male Fantasies (1977) [http://www.e-flux.com/journal/76/72759/male-fantasies-the-sequel-s/]
George Mosse, The Image of Man (1996) [http://www.history.ac.uk/reviews/review/23]
Silvia Federici, Caliban and the Witch (2004) [https://selfcombust.wordpress.com/2011/03/26/federici-women-and-primitive-accumulation/]
Roswitha Scholz, Gender without the Body (2009) [http://www.mediationsjournal.org/articles/patriarchy-and-commodity-society]
Heather Brown, Marx on Gender and the Family (2014) [https://monthlyreview.org/2014/06/01/marx-on-gender-and-the-family-a-summary/]

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Robert Ross
Robert Ross

STOP MAKING THREADS ON FUCKING GENDER BULLSHIT

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Isaac Robinson
Isaac Robinson

This.
We already have one for this dogshit, fuck off.

Leo Kelly
Leo Kelly

Rule #1: Gender is a spook.
Rule #2: Rules are spooks.

Elijah Foster
Elijah Foster

Gender is a spook

Aiden Lee
Aiden Lee

gender
spookerrific

Joseph Adams
Joseph Adams

Gender is Sex
Language and Policy should not be crafted around minuscule outliers

Henry Cooper
Henry Cooper

oh shit I fucking replied to this garbage thread AAAAHGHHH
inb4 a gorillion replies

Isaiah James
Isaiah James

No just one, me collectively speaking for the people of the board telling you to fuck off.

Carson Stewart
Carson Stewart

bump

Adam Morgan
Adam Morgan

properly socialist literature
all works are from 1977 onward
Truly the heydays of socialist theory.

Benjamin Collins
Benjamin Collins

We should only read dusty, century-old books — I'm sure this is the sort of approach Marx would have advocated. Recent research doesn't play into my 19th-century LARPing habit as much as I would like it to anyway.
Are you a complete retard or are you just pretending?

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Jordan Watson
Jordan Watson

No, I just suspect you of trying to smuggle in worthless critical theory through the back door.

Noah King
Noah King

Interesting.

Elijah Nguyen
Elijah Nguyen

why ya'll scared of books

Grayson Diaz
Grayson Diaz

STOP BEING TRAD

Xavier Kelly
Xavier Kelly

No, I just suspect you of trying to smuggle in worthless critical theory through the back door.
Do you sincerely believe anything written after the '70s is secretly muh pomo? Have you even clicked the fucking links? Federici is associated with autonomism and Scholz with value-criticism — I can't think of any socialist currents more immune to liberal wankery than those.
Why is Holla Forums so fucking braindead when it comes to gender issues? "Suspecting" such discussion to be inherently idpol makes as much sense as assuming E.P. Thompson's The Making of the English Working Class to be crypto-nationalist because it focuses on the English working class.
Stop being retarded.

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Josiah Gray
Josiah Gray

Why is Holla Forums so fucking braindead when it comes to gender issues?
Because absent concrete struggles it's mental masturbation. You don't need to arm the revolutionaries with deep gender theory, nor do you need it to appeal to the masses. It's a largely useless addition if your focus is socialism. Female comrades being treated unfairly is bad, oppose it, the end.

Benjamin Murphy
Benjamin Murphy

A better understanding of the world and how capitalism operates is "mental masturbation"
ok bro

Tyler Cook
Tyler Cook

I'm open to being convinced otherwise. Take the first book. What deep truth about capitalism does it expose? Sell it.

Austin White
Austin White

Because absent concrete struggles
Just like any other segment of the superstructure
it's mental masturbation.
Just like most of theory.
You don't need to arm the revolutionaries with deep gender theory
Nor with anything else besides guns and the minimal amount theory which is enough to convert them. I'm pretty sure that very few people in the October Revolution actually read Capital.
nor do you need it to appeal to the masses
Nor does Capital.
It's a largely useless addition if your focus is socialism.
Do you think that materialism about pretending that the superstructure doesn't exist? I can't see any other reason for you avoiding the issue of gender like it can't affect the base/other elements of the superstructure and vice versa than that.
Female comrades being treated unfairly is bad, oppose it, the end.
Do you have a copy of Capital? Any volume will be fine. If you have it, I advise you to just throw it out the window, sell it on some shitty website or just use it as fuel for your fireplace (if you have one). You won't be needing it anyway, since all you have to know about capitalism is that it's bad and that you have to oppose it. The End.

Blake Sullivan
Blake Sullivan

I'm not avoiding it, merely pointing out I suspect the above books to be pointless navel gazing critical theory. I'm still waiting for a concrete useful insight about, say empowering women under capitalism from the posed books.

Or are you not here to educate me?

Parker Johnson
Parker Johnson

I'm not avoiding it, merely pointing out I suspect the above books to be pointless navel gazing critical theory.
What about you give the fucking articles a read to make up your own mind then? You don't even address any of the arguments those books make use of, you just "suspect" they're muh pomo and subsequently refuse to even go through a dozen paragraphs discussing them. You're a grown ass person, we don't have to indulge in your delusional fantasies and spoonfeed everything to you just to make sure you're comfortable with he subject matter for fuck's sake.

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Julian Parker
Julian Parker

Wrong. You have to indulge my delusional fantasies and spoonfeed everything to me if you wish to engage with me.

Christopher Bailey
Christopher Bailey

this but unironically

David Cox
David Cox

Sorry, I'm just a lowly shitlord, I didn't want to impose on your precious time.

Levi Barnes
Levi Barnes

I usually like your posts and think you one of the best namefags on this board, but i really dont see why you cant just read what has been linked.
not OP btw

Carter Jenkins
Carter Jenkins

why won't you read my books
what do you mean you don't know you'll like them fuck you they're good that's all you need to know
10/10 I feel very convinced now. By the way, if you haven't read Harry Potter you aren't a true communist and if you want an explanation it'll be clear when you are done reading Harry Potter.
I feel smarter already.

Benjamin Smith
Benjamin Smith

this was one bad bitch matriarch

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Camden Torres
Camden Torres

also this bad girl.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nafanua
sorry im a newfag to 8ch

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Jeremiah Taylor
Jeremiah Taylor

What would the Jarawa say if you told them there are 79 genders?

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Chase Hall
Chase Hall

lol
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Ian Parker
Ian Parker

gender is a spook

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Evan Butler
Evan Butler

gender issues
like what?

Brayden Jackson
Brayden Jackson

If they could somehow understand you, probably why they should give a fuck given they're other problem is right now.
They would probably think it's some spooky shit, but in some actual "real" spooky shit kind of way

Wyatt Myers
Wyatt Myers

There are 2 genders.
socialism should seek to culturally abolish the liberal creation that is the LGBTQIAXYZ+ nonsense.

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Ryan Hughes
Ryan Hughes

Klaus Theweleit owns.

Ethan Davis
Ethan Davis

There is only one gender, woman doesn't exist.

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Ian Fisher
Ian Fisher

And even then, these symbolic registers obstruct our desire

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Brandon Robinson
Brandon Robinson

Who said anything about reading the whole fucking book? The links direct to articles covering the books' content, not long-ass PDFs.

Ryan Bennett
Ryan Bennett

value-criticism being immune to liberal wankery
Stare deep onto pic related, this is what awaits you on the bottom of the glass of value-criticism

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Henry Gutierrez
Henry Gutierrez

I have no idea what you're talking about.

Ethan Gomez
Ethan Gomez

implying muke even gets it and doesn't leech thought and platitudes off his friends
fuck off ☭TANKIE☭

Angel Richardson
Angel Richardson

Muke's """""theory""""" is basically value-criticism (Wertkritik), but he thinks it's an orthodox reading of Marx

I know he's unaware. Of course, nobody would even come up with this revisionism by just being exposed to theory, there is no denial that Muke just believes what other people told him

John Diaz
John Diaz

Anyone who posts Federici is not worth listening to.

Samuel Morris
Samuel Morris

desire outside of symbolic registers

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Zachary Sanchez
Zachary Sanchez

We're 45 replies in and I have not yet had anyone give even the most concise of outlines on any of the works. Just tell me what great things are in them, I love reading books!

That the OP or anyone else refuses to do so tells me that maybe, just maybe, they think that by stating the contents out loud, they will be laughed out of the room. I mean skimming the first link, it starts out kind of promising: supposedly the author made a study of what people in the Freikorps themselves wrote about their struggle, and notes that when they talk about communism, they never actually talk about communism, but about things like shifting gender relations. I buy that; it's what the aut right loves to do today when it equates liberal idpol with "cultural marxism".

But then you read on, and get gems like these:
Capitalism shares the attributes of phallic manhood: it is bold, ambitious, and competitive. Consistent with this hidden gender dimension, only so-called productive labor is remunerated; unproductive labor—i.e., labor that does not yield a product, like domestic or informal labor—is simply appropriated.

And the rousing call at the end:
Here too, the message couldn’t be clearer: “all ambitious women should be suspected of secretly being feminazis.” Defeating them at the polls is not enough, which is why Trump has made not-so-veiled calls for Hillary Clinton to be killed. Then as now, when sexuality adheres to a dominance-and-submission model, any challenge to the social hierarchy will be experienced as a “direct assault on your genitals.”
Defend Hillary at all costs.

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