Brocialism - Lolbert edition

Jayden Hughes
Jayden Hughes

fee.org/articles/socialisms-sexist-origins/?utm_source=zapier&utm

Socialism was arguably a reactionary response to how the Industrial Revolution transformed society. Industrialization created a class of nouveau riche who gained wealth through market transactions rather than by birthright, threatening the old order: “enfeebling traditional authority… and weakening hereditary influences.” Factories also brought women into the labor force en masse, granting them economic independence and bargaining power that altered family dynamics and disturbed old-fashioned sensibilities.

In short, commoners and women were earning money, and traditionalists were aghast. The prominent Victorian social thinker John Ruskin wrote in his 1860 critique of capitalism, Unto the Last, that his aim was “to show the superiority of some men to others” and the wisdom of a hierarchical society that keeps “inferiors” in their place.

Socialism presented an alternative to the unprecedented social mobility and rapid changes of the industrial age. Watson notes that many people felt the classical liberals advocating “free trade and the free market were rapidly destroying traditional patterns of life, loosening family ties and threatening morality itself”. As the socialist Bertolt Brecht once said: “Communism is not radical. It is capitalism that is radical.”

Socialism historically has resulted in the installation of hereditary systems of entrenched privilege, “since only privilege educates for the due exercise of centralized power in a planned economy.” Children of the bourgeoisie were relegated to a subordinate caste in the Soviet Union. Stalin’s eldest son, had he not died, would have been destined for high office. President Ceausescu of Romania gave his wife and son cabinet posts.

A Woman's Place Is in the Gulag

Today’s Marxist feminists might be shocked not only by socialist attitudes towards hereditary privilege but also by original socialist attitudes towards gender roles. In the Condition of the Working Class of England, Friedrich Engels observed with horror that in some households, women factory workers acted as breadwinners and their husbands as homemakers. Such an arrangement, he lamented, was not only “insane” but also “unsexes the man and takes from the woman all womanliness”. Gender role reversal, Engels continued, “degrades, in the most shameful way, both sexes, and, through them, Humanity.”

In practice, wherever socialism has been enacted, women were expected both to work outside the home and to do all the housework as well. And in centrally planned economic systems without any market incentive to fulfill human needs, it is women’s needs that were forgotten first.

On the flip side, this is another mild confirmation of what we already knew: "cultural marxism" is just the end product of liberalism

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Elijah Gonzalez
Elijah Gonzalez

Now there's a nuclear take.

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Brody Edwards
Brody Edwards

Are they actually trying to associate aristocratic anti capitalism of the 19th century (the kind Marx explicitly denounced in the manifesto) with socialism? I think we are hitting levels of sophistry that shouldn’t even be possible.

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Ryder Russell
Ryder Russell

wtf I'm a capitalist now

Mason Thompson
Mason Thompson

Socialism was arguably a reactionary response
Six words in and I'm already LITERALLY SHAKING my head.

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Levi Sanders
Levi Sanders

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't FEE the very first think tank in the modern sense of the term i.e. intellectually dishonest hacks churning out "intellectual" "production" for dosh?

Jason Cooper
Jason Cooper

AEI, I believe.

Wyatt Wilson
Wyatt Wilson

This the dumbest shit I've ever seen in my life. Surely they cannot actually be arguing in good faith.

Jose Reyes
Jose Reyes

An employee at the Cato Institute and the Managing Editor of "HumanProgress.org" arguing in bad faith? Say it ain't so.

Parker Wood
Parker Wood

This article's entire epistemology is flawed.

Socialism wasn't a movement created by elites from above; it was crafted through struggle from below.

Engels quote is out-of-context (go figure).

Capitalism didn't liberate women in the least bit. Even today, countries that are far more free market capitalist than the West see women in stricter gender roles.

So yeah, this is trash to the highest degree.

Lucas Robinson
Lucas Robinson

In short, commoners and women were earning money
I could have sworn it was the bourgeoisie that was making the money, which is coincidentally predominantly male.

Socialism presented an alternative to the unprecedented social mobility and rapid changes of the industrial age.
Supernova take

Socialism historically has resulted in the installation of hereditary systems of entrenched privilege
Muh kims

In practice, wherever socialism has been enacted, women were expected both to work outside the home and to do all the housework as well.
Goddamn you cant make this shit up

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Liam Cook
Liam Cook

Industrialization created a class of nouveau riche who gained wealth through market transactions rather than by birthright
hmmmmmmmmmmm

Engels quote is out-of-context (go figure).
Capitalism didn't liberate women in the least bit. Even today, countries that are far more free market capitalist than the West see women in stricter gender roles.
funniest thing about this is that Marx and Engels pretty much embraced the elimination of the family, and that workers' states such as the USSR and today's Cuba have done far more for women's rights than any capitalist power ever will

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Landon Davis
Landon Davis

Goddamn you cant make this shit up
Didn't the USSR move to get women out of the household entirely?

Caleb Parker
Caleb Parker

Well to be fair, from the social reality I see and the personal testimonies I heard from family, the USSR was pretty conservative. Women were still women and men were still men in terms of gender roles, quite strict afaik. More-so extended families were still a thing. On the other hand liberals in the West (what I meant by the product of liberalism) were the ones to embrace subversion of gender roles. While women were definitely better than in the imperial times and had far more freedoms, legally and socially, I'm not sure of the particular status of the Soviet woman.

This is something important that you should know, but the word for gender and sex is the same in the Russian language, and it's mostly American theoretical constructs that brought the word "gender" into the Russian lexicon. That's my impression anyway. I have never in my life encountered gender topics in any aspect of Russian life, from Soviet era documentaries to contemporary language (outside of Westernized youtubers), nor is there any particular emphasis on gender in contemporary ML states.

Logan Young
Logan Young

This is something important that you should know, but the word for gender and sex is the same in the Russian language
Russian and almost every language in the fucking world, except for english.

James Young
James Young

Género, sexo.

Logan Morris
Logan Morris

It's almost as though for a socialist state to survive, we need traditional values.

But that cant be, Anita Sarkeesian says that real socialism involves having 68 genders and penis mutilation.

Liam Campbell
Liam Campbell

I dont speak satanism, sorry.

Levi Bailey
Levi Bailey

women were expected both to work outside the home and to do all the housework as well
p.s. this is actually true for the most part, I don't know if there were some ideology lines or anything, but it was definitely the social situation.

Grayson Parker
Grayson Parker

when the fuck has anita sarkeesian ever advocated for socialism you gamergoober

Colton Lewis
Colton Lewis

It's almost as though for a socialist state to survive, we need traditional values
Like what? Being religious, not being allowed to divorce, women not being allowed to work or vote or having to be subservient to your local lord and work his farms? The socialist states were the most untraditional for their time.

Jordan Hughes
Jordan Hughes

I'm just speaking metaphorically about the pseudosocialism advocated by r/socialism and other such social justice outlets. Real socialism has no place for intersectional bullshit.

Anthony Bennett
Anthony Bennett

Anita
is this 2012

Aaron Turner
Aaron Turner

Capitalism didn't liberate women in the least bit

Marx would beg to differ

Ryder Morris
Ryder Morris

Marx was a capitalist shill. This is already established.

Charles Wilson
Charles Wilson

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Lucas James
Lucas James

Factories also brought women into the labor force en masse, granting them economic independence and bargaining power that altered family dynamics and disturbed old-fashioned sensibilities.
So empowering.

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Jayden Morris
Jayden Morris

this is actually true for the most part
<implying the West had universal childcare, vacations for children away from parents etc. during the same time frame

Jack Bailey
Jack Bailey

So women should support capitalism then?

Jonathan Bell
Jonathan Bell

Socialism was arguably a reactionary response to how the Industrial Revolution transformed society
Not even one sentance into this shit pile and I already want to stop.

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Kevin Lewis
Kevin Lewis

More-so extended families were still a thing.
Well most socialists are pro-extended family.

Asher Collins
Asher Collins

leave us my brainlet friend :)

FEE
Not even once. This is PragerU tier bullshit

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