Joke: STALIN KILLED 80 MILLION AND PEOPLE STARVED SOCIALISM SUCKS HELIOCOPTERS REEE
Broke: STALIN KILLED 80 MILLION AND PEOPLE STARVED BUT thats okay because it wasn't real socialism vote for Jill Stein
Stoked: Actually the numbers of people killed in the USSR are grossly exaggerated and in fact the socialist program managed to turn an illiterate, underdeveloped peasant backwater into a global super power able to reach space in a matter of decades, Stalin did nothing wrong, Marxism Leninism is an immortal science Osama Bin Laden was an Anti Imperialist
Woke: Actually the numbers of people killed in the USSR are grossly exaggerated and in fact the socialist program managed to turn an illiterate, underdeveloped peasant backwater into a global super power able to reach space in a matter of decades, however the problems inherent in democratic centralism meant that the worker vanguard eventually became a vanguard of the intelligentsia who eventually reverted to capitalist reforms and gutting the socialist programs for their own profit against the wishes of the general population who when surveyed all preferred socialism we need a new synthesis of Marxism Leninism-2018 conditions which draws on the lessons of history
Nah nigger here's the true empty pill:
Stalin managed to create a strong and secure state which could exert its will on half the globe. Of course he killed millions of people. These deaths were a natural result of the methods he used to create this new state: they were either killed in the terrible conditions necessary for rapid industrialisation, or they were killed because they were part of some threatening class (althoug collectivisation was such a failure that it really shouldn't have been pursued, for all its benefits).
Russia was already ripe for not being shit, having had the largest economic growth in the world for decades, but under Stalin it finally went from "literally everyone is a peasant" to industrial dystopia.
The wishes of the general population can safely be ignored, because if you are effective, they will come to support you. As, indeed, happened with Stalin.
Joke: Stalin killed a trillion kulaks with holodomor because of Karltural Marx blah blah blah
Broke: Stalin did nothing wrong
Woke: Stalin did a lot of things right, but by repressing the revolutionary vanguard and eliminating revolutionary consciousness he paved the way for anti-revolutionaries and gerontocratic White Guard cosplayers to take over the state apparatus. Nevertheless, we should criticize Stalin in our own circles and defend him publicly
Why do you faggots don't realize that the mythical "revolutionary vanguard" and the corrupt bureaucracy are the same thing? Communism has failed. Khruschevites and alike are legitimately communists, they probably believed they were true gommies unlike evil Stalin. Communism has failed. Become nazbols, plz.
I don't understand why you blame that on democratic centralism though. Wouldn't it make more sense to put the blame on a general lack of democracy and putting a technocratic "vanguard" (pretty much unaccountable to the masses) in charge of leading the way to communism? You could say you think that's a problem that for some reason is inherent to Leninism, but I don't see how democratic centralism is the specific aspect of Leninism to blame here.
yeah, your "critique" on Stalin is just as shit and retarded as that of any other open anti-communist, you are a faggot and should seriously contemplate your faggotry over a bottle of bleach
Why don't you faggots read selectorate theory? "Corruption" is a spook. All rulers must build winning coalitions in order to rule. Corruption is a feature of the state. It's the process by which power is obtained and retained, and how the state is used as an apparatus by one class to oppress another.
yeah, your "response" is just as shit and retarded as that of any other open anti-communist, you are a faggot and should seriously contemplate your faggotry over a bottle of bleach
I believe that most common criticisms of Stalin (muh gorillions) are baseless, so I have no idea why you're sperging at me that much. I dislike him for borderline counter-revolutionary and reactionary policies which led to revisionism and passiveness among the Soviet leadership and population, for no discernible reason whatsoever other than greater russian chauvinism.
Pic related, monument to the Soviet Constitution which was under Stalin replaced with a statue of some russian feudal warlord.
This retarded thinks the Orthodox church coup'd Stalin. LMAO
I thought you communists were all for the working class.
Marxist-Leninist-Wobbly Gang assemble!!!
De-Leonism with vanguard party Stalinist characteristics when?
Isn'it just leninism?
The USSR from it's starting days simply didn't have the conditions necessary for socialism. The hopes and dreams of world socialism died with the German communists
By the time the USSR did have the technological and industrial capacity to achieve socialism, the Khruschevite revisionists were already well in power and it was already too late.
Yes, for the progress and improvement of the living standards of the working class, and the eventual elimination of class altogether. Communists don't fetishize the working class as an eternal entity to be let rot in shit conditions and filth.
I knew stacheposter was bound to come in here with some unsubstantiated attempts at debunking, insults and general faggotry. How is the guy still not permabanned after all this time?
Is he really? I've actually considered this possibility tbh
Generally, you just ignore idiots unless you want to call them fags back.
since you're literally talking out of your ass there is nothing to debunk pointing out that you are just talking shit is really all it takes here
and spreading your shit out over a dozen lines, like shit over your turd sandwich, doesn't add substance to it it's just spreading shit tell me it's chocolate all you want, only retarded people and those with strange obsessions over eating feces will eat that up