Stalin's Reaction to Operation Barbarossa

What was Stalin thinking in late June 1941? Why was the Red Army so disastrously unprepared despite obvious military buildups across the entire front by Axis forces?
This is his biggest fuckup IMO

Did he believe Britain cut a secret deal with the Nazis and gave them a free hand in the east in exchange for no blockade?

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Stalin himself didn't believe the nazis would invade. I mean ffs he had asked them in 1940 if the USSR could join the Axis. I don't hate Stalin, but his biggest fuck up imo was not realizing the germans would invade when pretty much all of the soviet high command highly suspected they would, while Stalin dismissed it as fearmongering

This has been proved as bullshit. There was no plan for Red Army operations in 1941. The very earliest the Red Army would've began doing things is probably like 1944.

This. Stalin himself probably would've never desired a war against Germany

This claim is very unfair, they received quite a few warnings before that of the same kind which had proven completely false. The true mistake was unreadiness in general, not getting the actual time of the invasion wrong.

I guess you could say that, but Stalin was still extremely stubborn regarding warnings of a possible attack

Of course he did lad, the Soviet Union had been trying to prevent a major war since 1933.

There's proof that Zhukov and Timoshenko tried to persuade Stalin into launching an attack before Germany did. (Report on the Plan of Strategic Deployment of Armed Forces of the Soviet Union to the Chairman of the Council of People's Commissars, 15 May 1941)

Stalin discarded those plans because 1) The Red Army wasn't ready for an all out war 2) He was sure Hitler wouldn't attack Russia until he was done with the Brits.
The Holla Forums made up narrative is that Stalin was preparing to invade the world and the heroic Nazis saved Europe from that.

What makes you think they had? You got any source? Why did Stalin then ask Hitler for the USSR to join the axis?

What are you referring to?
I'm gonna need a source for this, because other than the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact I've never heard about Stalin directly asking to join the Axis.

Part of the reason Stalin was so caught off guard is that Soviet intelligence had been warning of a German invasion for months. Multiple specific dates were reported to Stalin and the Polituburo but they were all wrong.

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I meant as in if you have sources or any claims that backup the Soviets had been preparing for a war against Germany since 1933, because as far as I'm aware that's false

I didn't say that, I said they had been trying to prevent a war in the wake of fascist aggression.

Oh, I guess that is kinda true. They didn't really apply it though

What else could've they done? The soviets were surrounded by fascists in the 1930s and feared the capitalist countries forming a coalition against them, so they were limited to diplomatic means.

I dont believe Stalin didn't think the Nazis would attack. He knew it was coming, but not *when* it was coming.

I see what you mean. Don't get me wrong, had the soviets pre-emptively attacked the nazis, they probably would've lost. They needed time to prepare, and even suffering the most casualties out of the war, they were still the biggest contributor for the defeat of fascism

Stalin didn't want to be provoked into attacking and be seen as the aggressor, he insisted the border crossings and air raids were the work of a rogue German general acting without orders. He then became NEET for a few days while everything went to shit and the Red Army (and the VVS in particular) got btfo. I think he was unprepared for just how bad the situation was and couldn't face it because of the island he constructed around himself as general secretary. Of course the USSR was too strong to collapse because of one man's mistakes and he provided capable though still error prone leadership throughout the war.

Is NEETCom the way to go?

I don't know where this "lol Stalin was just too dumb to realize Nazi Germany wanted to invade". The Nazi State was explicitly anti-communist and heavily racist towards slavs ever since it came to power, and the only reason the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact even had to be devised was on account of Britain and France's utter refusal to work with the USSR. Not to mention Britain did essentially the same thing with the Germans during 1938 as the Rhineland, Austria and Czechoslovakia were invaded

Preparations had been made even before that to prepare for full-scale invasion, albeit not for Nazi panzers, but for another coalition of capitalist-imperialist forces. Earl Meade, a bourgeois military historian writing during the war, has a very good take and sheds light on the Red Army/Stalin's decision making:

"The German campaign in France in the spring of 1940, which was not that different from the campaign of 1939 in Poland, provided the Red Army with a blueprint of the attack against them which was to come a year later. The Germans, the Russians reasoned, would depend upon surprise and speed, aerial assault upon communications and services of supply, mobile warfare aimed at encirclement and annihilation-the most gigantic Cannae in all history. Hitler was determined to try what Falkenhayn, Seeckt, Leeb and other had always thought could not be done-to deliver a knock-out blow to Russia within a relatively brief time. The Russians were reasonably sure that unlike the Low Countries they could not be overrun and that unlike Poland they could not be paralysed by by aerial assault. But they knew that they had a prodigious task on their hands of meeting an invasion of such tremendous scale and intensity. It is doubtful, however, that they could have imagined even vaguely the purgatory through which they were to pass before, in the summer of 1943, they could seize the initiative.

What the Russians had to do was fairly obvious. They had to keep the Red Army intact, “in being,” at all costs. They had to avoid encirclement as far as possible; such units as could not escape were to resist to the last. They must trade space for time-that is to say, they must bring about protracted war by compelling the Germans to punch deep into Soviet territory without obtaining a decision. But the territory which the Wehrmacht acquired must be made virtually useless by wholesale devastation and rendered insecure by incessant guerilla warfare. The resulting warfare of attrition and extended lines sooner or later would give the Red Army the great opportunity for which it had been trained and indoctrinated ever since the civil war-the opportunity to destroy the enemy by an offensive. “according to the {new} Soviet concept, blitzkrieg came at the end of the war, not at the beginning.”

In evolving a strategy of retreat for 1941 the Red Army was completely unaffected by the defeatism of Weygand and Petain, but rather was adopting the policy of active defense which ha been ably advanced by Field Marshal Ritter von Leeb of Hitler's Army. The facts of geography and the force of historic tradition must have been almost equally persuasive. Space and cold and rain and mud have always stood in the way of the would-be conqueror of Russia-natural barriers perhaps even more formidable under the conditions of mechanised war, than rivers or mountain ranges. When the storm broke over the Soviet Union in June, 1941, the minds of people everywhere travelled back to 1812, the name of Napoleon was on the lips of millions. "

- Lenin, Trotsky, Stalin in Makers of Modern Strategy – Military Thought from Machiavelli to Hitler, Edward Mead Earle (ed.), Princeton University Press

That's literally Suvorov though. I admit have a bit of a hard on for USSR invasion of Europe, and I'm not even a ☭TANKIE☭

I mean, it makes sense, why would anyone be dumb enough to open a second front against the major power of the area. They had better shit to do, it seemed unlikely nazi would commit strategic suicide. Sadly, counting on nazis rationality wasn't a good bet

Was Red Alert kino?