For realsies: How many people did Communism unironically kill

This might be too much to ask but, unironically how many people did Communism actually kill.

Frankly I don't give a shit about political violence, if I disagree with someone's political views it's because of their system objectively being inferior, I don't give a shit how many whites, jews, blacks, gays, or disabled died under your ideology, it can be 0 to 3 dozen quintillion, if you system is less beneficial then I won't follow it. But for shits and giggles let's actually calculate the numbers.
Soldiers don't count because in war people killed in battle inherently sign their own death warrants, they can't be held against the nation or ideology that killed them, so any US or Nazi or whatever that died in battle or in defeat should not be counted.
Innocents caught in cross fire won't be counted either.
And last of all any terrorist attacks are also to be ignored.
But famines, and indirect deaths should be, I feel that nations should be held responsible for such actions and failure to help for political reasons or inability to do so. Innocents killed after or during war also count,it's hard to judge who deserved it and who didn't so if you want cut this number in half and say that half of them did deserve it.
And of course victims of direct attacks should also be counted.
If you want take into account how many people died in a certain amount of time, the Nazi's and capitalism did kill millions in less than a decade but it seems like communism is exaggerated because it's been around for a decent amount of time.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_state
Use both the previous communist nations and current ones. Tally it up. This isn't just the USSR or Mao it's all of them. If anything focus on the big two meme nations less.

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Not enough, apparently.

Only correct answer tbh, we can end the thread now.

Don't actually end the thread, I want a serious discussion about this.

Karl Marx personally murdered every living organism since the dawn of biological life with his bare hands.

Stalin killed 666,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 people when he raised the minimum wage to $15. Hugo Chavez killed castrated every Venezuelan and forced them to chock to death on their testicles after nationalizing oil in Venezuela

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a lot
and it didn't work that well

"Lord Kalki, the Lord of the universe, will mount His swift white horse Devadatta and, sword in hand, travel over the earth exhibiting His eight mystic opulences and eight special qualities of Godhead. Displaying His unequaled effulgence and riding with great speed, He will kill by the millions those thieves who have dared dress as kings."
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Karltural Marx killed 600 million straight white men by turning them gay and giving them the SuperAIDS

Pic related is all you need

I remember we had a thread saying we should add a stupid ammount of 0s to "killed by communism" numbers as a form of subtle defacing, looks like somebody took the advice and ran with it.

I bet the fat guy with the chris-chan hoodie and fluorescent yellow shoes is /ourguy/ in there.

666 Gorillion!

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< Read about Kulaks, they're hording the grain, take 3 deep breaths and ask again.

communism is an abstraction and therefore incapable of killing people

the vast majority of deaths that were 'caused by communism' were a result of famines following introduction of collectivized farming in the USSR and China
it's difficult to pin this number down exactly, but it's definitely over 15 million people, maybe even double that

all other sources of 'communist deaths' are insignificant compared to those

The only major actual famine happened in China. Both countries had, prior to socialism experienced famines every couple of years or so. Centralization ended famines for good in those areas. So in a way it's pretty unfair to claim that those who died did so because of communism, since they would have died anyway.

Not really, just take a look at the 1937 census USSR sweeped under the rug.

Yeah, 7 million sounds about right.

that causality isn far from clear, famines could have ended because of Deng or more modern agriculture


well it's a bit more complicated than just looking at censuses
during a famine people are also having far less children, not all of that deficit is deaths

And what of those that weren't?

around a million civilians executed or worked to death under stalin
a million apparently killed during the cultural revolution
a couple of million cambodians murdered by the khmer rouge

insignificant compared to the deaths that were caused (imo) by collectivization of farms

Sure, what about the African regimes?

I ascribe most of the genocide and famines in Africa post 1950 to decolonization, not to any political system
inb4 banned

Khmer Rouge doesn't count, it was some kind of weird peasant nationalist primitivism.

Based.
Also it's okay, I have like 69 bans under my real ip anyways.

All deaths under communism don't count because as long as there's a state it's just socialism.

they were Kaczynski-Maoists with Holocaust characteristics

AKA that good shit that we need more of

Why I'm not surprised is a yugofag?