If you live in the relative comfort of a first-world country, why the hell would you prefer going through a revolutionary war? Especially when there's no guarantee that a revolution would be successful.
If you live in the relative comfort of a first-world country...
Michael Bennett
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Luke Murphy
It's not a matter of want, but when
Chase Mitchell
And nobody in "The First World" is comfortable. Nobody in the EU is happy, nobody in Canada is happy, nobody in Britain is happy, ESPECIALLY nobody in America is happy
Everyone is pissed because of their circumstances.
Austin White
I live in the EU, and I'm pretty sure a war would not make me happier than I am now.
Matthew Hughes
You better get used to the idea.
Carson Gonzalez
Assuming that's true, wouldn't it be better to at least put it off for as long as possible?
Cooper Bennett
No
Alexander Robinson
why?
Henry Fisher
revolution doesn't have to take the shape of a war. Symbolic violence is far more powerful than physical violence. Humanity could wake up one day and just stop doing capitalism. It may sound sappily idealistic, but do we really have another option? Notice how our civilisation loves fantasies of collapse and catastrophe but there is no place in our imaginary for the inverse, the fantasy of positive change? When one person believes in it, it's an absurd fantasy, when millions of people start believing in it, it becomes a reality.
Jayden Nelson
Why would the rich just give up their money though?
Noah Rogers
The gulf between rich and poor will continue for NATO nations to invest less into their people's future and more into war. Less into climate change, more intro austerity.
It will only reach a breaking point as it always has throughout history.
Considering climate change and people's lives it is not preferable to waste time.
John Evans
Who said it was voluntary? Who said this was even about money and not class?
Brody Baker
Who says I live in comfort.
Nathan Powell
Assuming you are the one who posted , then you seemed to imply it would be non-violent.
Aren't the two inextricably tied together?
Thomas Cox
No
Colton Murphy
Read Marx, come back.
Luis Jones
We gotta give up on capitalism, money and the very concept of wealth and poverty. Only then can the real history of humanity begin, unchained from the commodity form, the state and alienated labor.
Parker Diaz
stopped reading there
Wyatt Cook
Read
Marx
Robert Phillips
the status quo is already tremendously violent and alienating, and bound to get worse if capitalism continues. I see Revolution as a dramatic event that puts an end to the violence of the everyday once and for all.
Luke Bell
OP is making honest questions and not being a dick and nu-Holla Forums isn't answering in kind
OP, The gist is that those with excessive wealth will continue to accumulate more at the expense of everyone else; everyone else resultant;y gets sick of their shit and revolts
If the proletariat refuses to ever revolt, they will likely face extinction and genocide, as their services are rendered redundant in the face of automation
A highly depopulated world without class (as the elimination of one class has taken place) and a fully provided for populace (the bourgeois needs are all provided for) would still technically be communism
Julian Peterson
The economy of the modern world is built on fiction.
The ecology of the modern world is suffocating because of humanity's consumption.
The energy resources necessary to power the modern world and keep billions of people alive are finite and becoming evermore scarce and impure.
A revolution is coming regardless of our desires or comfort levels. I'd just rather see it bend towards a collectivist mentality (one for all) rather than an individualistic one (all for one).
Kevin Adams
It's not a matter of income, it's a matter of ownership.
He who owns all the land and all the factories takes rent from everyone else. He pays some people more than others and then tells all the higher paid people that it's the lower paid people that are out to fuck him.
Oliver Rodriguez
the only reason OP projects his fantasy of "relative comfort" is cause he's a petit-bourg faggot who has no idea about how much poverty and exploitation there still is in the first world
not a thing
Sebastian Ortiz
nigger what
nu/lp/ is exactly this shit
Elijah Jenkins
try being nice, many of us are from petit bourg backgrounds, that doesn't mean you can't get #woke. resentiment helps no one. I don't understand third worldist type leftists, do they believe they are somehow morally and intellectually superior to their fellow whites/1st worldists/ petty bourgs?
Kevin Mitchell
But user, most Euros don't live in confort anymore:
theguardian.com
independent.co.uk
independent.co.uk
independent.co.uk
(Sorry this is mostly the independent, but they all have figures with sources)
For the last 30 years this country has been going to the dogs, people are on the verge of breaking point.
Josiah Campbell
third worldists are all from petty bourg familys in the first world to begin with
their politics are guilt and revenge
Gabriel Foster
There is no real reason a revolution has to be a revolutionary war. It will almost certainly involve violence but there is no reason to think open warfare is somehow inevitible.
The state apparatuses in the former ML States were quite powerful and authoritarian but they were still toppled mainly through protest, rioting, and small scale violence.
Eli Smith
It's part of the reason why /leftpol/ is getting so popular. Nobody wants to be around people high off the smell of their own farts.
Samuel Martinez
I don't want a violent war. I'd prefer a non violent revolution from the inside (hacktivism is a okay tho).
Anthony Johnson
Speak for yourself, huff up
Sebastian Wilson
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Jordan Morales
I think I a much better question would be what precisely will the "left" do once the democratic/capitalist governments of the world do what they always do once the situation for the poor gets bad enough. I.E Bribes and lots of them. A red revolution can't get off the ground if the state bribes away the foot soldiers of such a movement with either direct monetary payments, more/better quality social services or more likely both of those things. The few who stick around for the "revolution" will be such a small and insignificant minority that the various security agencies will have an easy time discrediting/destroying them.
William Hernandez
Matthew White
What about the American civil war, or all the civil wars the CIA and MI6, etc has sponsored lol
Seems far more cynical and unjustly motivated than just wanting to fucking live you need an intelligence agency on your side to cause international civil wars for you. Because god damn Marxists, we can't have those nations right to self determination, BRING IN THE COUP
Hudson Cox
fuck off gandhi
Kayden Jackson
many of us are from petit bourg backgrounds
again, speak for yourself instead of projecting your petit-bourg background on others
I'm not a third worldist
that being said, if you're actually aware of how "relative comfort" is a meme, you're alright in my book, unlike OP
Asher Russell
Good point, but a revolutionary situation will arise precisely because the capitalists ran out of time and cannot do any more bribing.
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Austin Ramirez
Because I live in a comfy padded cage and want to die. :D