I watched a documentary this morning on Pol Pot and what struck me were the similarities between his thought and praxis and Bakuin(ism) (I acknowledge that a lot of contemporary anarchism owes more to council-communism and syndicalism than it does to Bakuin) in that the whole way that the core of the "organization" remained secret goes almost completely hand in hand with Bakuin's stuff about "Invisible dictatorship", and also would seem to flow out of what he wrote in "catechism of a revolutionist". Then there is seeing the peasants and the lumpens as more "pure" revolutionary material because of their being more "natural" than urban workers. Then there is the cultural nihilism and wanting to sweep everything away that belongs to the past culture as opposed to integrate from it what is truly human. This of course was also the strategy of Blanqui, who hated the working class and believed socialism could only be implemented by a secret intellectual elite via a coup.
I also saw a lot of parallels between Brother Number One and Nestor Makhno for very much the same reason. Like Makhnovtchina the Khmer Rouge wasn't really a "state" in a traditional sense. Makhno also organized the peasants (not the industrial proletariat) into a revolt that was very free-form, decentralized, and not tied down to a single set of moral principles, much like the Angkor. Makhnovtchina also resulted in mass clusterfuck.
So in conclusion it seems to me that rather than an example of the "failure" of Marxism-Leninism-Maoism, the Khmer Rouge should be used as an example of the failures of anarchism, blanquism and ultra-leftism.
Pol Pot was also a devout Buddhist in his youth and the KR's destructive tendencies seemed to be reminiscent of Buddhism's idea of non-attachment (same thing Zizek criticizes over and over).
Tyler Cook
Then why did Pol Pot ban Buddhism?
Kayden Sullivan
They wanted to go after the monks' orders, but their ideology was heavily Buddhist-influenced.
Luke Roberts
I would say this is more of a failure of idealism. How could the Khmer Rouge lead a proletarian revolution with only a peasantry as the revolutionary subject? Without the material prerequisite for a communistic revolution it seems obvious that what would follow would be a royal fuck up. The idea of a "year one" revolution is undialectical as fucks. also I hope your leaving us Councilists out of this hot take
Nathaniel Cruz
Catechism of a Revolutionary was written by Nechayev, not Bakunin. And Bakunin wasn't exactly a fan of the manifesto.
Jordan Ward
There are none. Nestor Makhno didn't operate a secret organization implementing totalitarianism, he was a guerilla leader among an army that operated along democratic principles.
Finally, he did not think the lumpen or the peasants were more "pure" or "closer to nature." He did not think that the peasants were revolutionary at all, but he thought, at least in France in 1870, that the workers could use them as allies: theanarchistlibrary.org/library/michail-bakunin-letters-to-a-frenchman-on-the-present-crisis For the so-called "lumpen," Bakunin thought that the poorer workers in Italy were in a better position to kickstart the revolution than their better-off counterparts in Germany and Switzerland, because they had nothing to loose and would even burn down "their own" (mostly rented) neighbours: theanarchistlibrary.org/library/michail-bakunin-statism-and-anarchy#toc2
Grayson Barnes
Bakunin was still vanguardist and elitist though.
Luke Lee
To be fair, most leftists know fuckall about "dialectics".
Elijah Ortiz
He wasn't. Have you even read anything by him?
Luke Collins
In practice he was elitist, basically Blanquist. Actions speak louder than words.
Eli Hall
So you admit that you don't know anything and are just repeating stale memes?
Ayden Bennett
Explain how Bakunin's actions differed from sheer vanguardism.
Ethan Williams
Mate, you are the one making the claim. Explain why do you think his actions (during his mature, anarchists years) were elitist or vanguardist, and I'll tell you why are you wrong. I can't read your mind.
Leo Diaz
Socialism can mutate into something monstrous when you focus too much on the primacy of the collective and crude egalitarianism — see what happened with so many early 20th-century self-described syndicalists, who suddenly turned to fascism and supported Mussolini. Marx read Nechayev's manifesto, hated it and called it "barracks communism".
Nolan Russell
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Grayson Harris
This TBH.
Someone ask Zerzan what he thinks of the KR.
Jose Baker
Wut?
Kevin Parker
How I see you
Connor Gray
tfw thread continues its stupidity past the sourced, long, ignored post
Adrian Price
Makhno was a vanguardist.
Sebastian Ramirez
this
Jackson Johnson
Nearly every anarchist movement was vanguardist in its own right. The CNT/FAI was really not any different from the early Bolsheviks.
Camden Long
also this
Dylan Roberts
So Pol Pot was a Nechayevist then. Still puts him in the anarchist tradition moreso than the Marxist one.
Landon Phillips
Lenin was an actual Nechayevist but I don't see anyone calling him an anarchist.