Chelsea Manning to run for US Senate

Michael Morales
Michael Morales

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American """""anarchists""""" will still defend this obvious psyop
(Shitting on whistle blowers, because she's transgender or whatever. Back up your accusation.)

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Ian Garcia
Ian Garcia

Despook me on Manning. The only thing I know about is that whole leaking classified data thing.

Nolan Ross
Nolan Ross

Chelsea "we live in a police state ACAB" Manning is not a psyop lad.

Nathan Wilson
Nathan Wilson

Even if she were a psyop, what does it matter? Oh no, the CIA is going to trick us into… voting on election day in Maryland???

Levi Perez
Levi Perez

hates cops
committed treason against the government
is cute
Chelsea Manning is the perfect woman

Bentley Gonzalez
Bentley Gonzalez

There's only one problem: she's American.

Lincoln Foster
Lincoln Foster

You have to be accommodating for their kind; they didn't choose to be born that way.

Easton Myers
Easton Myers

Nah, the prob is that she's running as a Dem

Austin Nelson
Austin Nelson

I worry that there won't be enough emojis on her twitter feed to appeal to the kids.

Hudson Cruz
Hudson Cruz

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Good to see Baboon poster take a principled stance against FGM.

Oliver Thompson
Oliver Thompson

i cant see her winning.
Will probably piss off neocons, the alt right, and clinton hold outs all at the same time.

Jason Gomez
Jason Gomez

She should be supported. She will weaken American Imperialism from the inside out.

David Stewart
David Stewart

the barrel sticking out from the crotch like that
How quaint.
the two "bollocks"
Now that's just ridiculous.

Jace Cox
Jace Cox

kek

Yeah, she's not going to get anywhere with this

John Clark
John Clark

Like you can run as anything else in this fucking country

Ian Fisher
Ian Fisher

he got banned for this
Seriously?

Lucas Collins
Lucas Collins

quaint
bollocks
Don't you have some tea and crumpets to be eating?

piss of neocons, alt-right and clinton hold outs
How is this not something we should be supporting?

Blake Williams
Blake Williams

Shitting on whistleblowers veracity has historically gotten you a tap on the wrist.

Samuel Adams
Samuel Adams

I hear Yanks say "quaint" all the time.

Ian Harris
Ian Harris

Outright tortured in prison for years
leaked information about the US military's crimes during the Iraq War
no but she's a cia asset because she must be because she's transgender and was in prison for so long. Obviously that means MKULTRA

The logic behind OP shouldn't be defended because she was an enemy of the state, she's a comrade for what she did. Broiling distrust in ACTUAL enemies of the US state as acting in favor of the US state, is and always will be ridiculous.

Connor Long
Connor Long

Bollocks revealed that you were a brit, quaint revealed that you were a jerkoff. Now you get jerkoff brit jokes for the rest of time.

Jack Rogers
Jack Rogers

There's nowhere to run my baboon boy. You will be banned before anyone sees you screech for help.

Jayden Nelson
Jayden Nelson

Also MKULTRA was a failure:The Unabomber was hardly some agent of US Imperialism.

Nathan Jones
Nathan Jones

And the government has always been trying to yank her back into prison in outrage since she was released prematurely. This whole "CHELSEA IS A MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE 4D CHESS" bullshit is so fake

Lucas Anderson
Lucas Anderson

Who knows, maybe she will win because of the under 30 population of voters. They did a significant number on Roy Moore.

Angel Walker
Angel Walker

Chelsea slander will not be tolerated >:(

Owen Wilson
Owen Wilson

i was wondering about the banreason as well since i saw no mention of her being trans but yeah, the whole "psyop" meme gives it away
good catch

just not sure what to think of her
it's really hard to respect cuckdems/demcucks, but she actually did something to deserve it
if only she'd turn to ML…

Mason Ross
Mason Ross

doesn't she regularly post shit like "fuck the police" on her twitter
i seem to remember her having an interaction with catgirl drawgirl once

Christian Richardson
Christian Richardson

i think she used a cgdf image drawn for her on her twitter

Jordan Sanchez
Jordan Sanchez

You're not remembering wrong. She did.

Jaxson Stewart
Jaxson Stewart

just went and checked and it's her background

Bentley Reyes
Bentley Reyes

Absolute STATE of the mods

Liam Nelson
Liam Nelson

twitter.com/xychelsea/status/950085902860279808

If you needed more proof Manning was /ourcomrade/

Alexander Brown
Alexander Brown

This. What are we being tricked into?

Samuel Cruz
Samuel Cruz

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idpol

Jaxson White
Jaxson White

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Spotted the recent /pol/ convert

Ryder Lewis
Ryder Lewis

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Can't feel that bad if your gonna misgender her for no reason

Isaiah Davis
Isaiah Davis

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Even if that's were true, what's wrong with that?

Daniel Price
Daniel Price

Based. Chelsea is 100% /ourgal/

Parker Perry
Parker Perry

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Even if I thought transgenderism was total bullshit and insanity, I'd still give Chelsea the respect of calling her whatever name or pronoun she wants to be called.

It's about respecting someone who is both a comrade and a hero.

Levi Hill
Levi Hill

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/pol/ lingo
feels > reals
no arguments but butthurt
fuck back off into your shithole, faggot

Benjamin Martinez
Benjamin Martinez

Am I a bad person if I think that Chelsea getting elected just for being a tranny is kinda dumb and not really socialist

Angel Ward
Angel Ward

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/pol/yps flipping out over pronouns
t r i g g e r e d ?

Brandon Turner
Brandon Turner

Manning has done more to fight US imperialism than anyone on this fucking board.

Colton Hall
Colton Hall

that would be a good point if it were true

Juan Campbell
Juan Campbell

Nah she is standing against a democrat incumbent, the libs will find a reason to hate her.

Mason Smith
Mason Smith

Who really gives a fuck if she gets elected for retarded spooked reasons. All that matters is that she gets elected.

Joseph Jenkins
Joseph Jenkins

yeah you're probably right
damn I'm a succdem and even I'm not this opportunistic

Levi Taylor
Levi Taylor

Getting a prisoner of the US into office might be good enough as a figure of Fuck You than a legitimate victory. But it would still be a fuck you.

Hunter Stewart
Hunter Stewart

Look if her idea of socialism is more than just an earned income tax credit and a higher minimum wage than sure, it's likely she can primary another unreliable centrist who will wimp out on M4A. I just don't want to see the left fall back into the same trance that they got caught up in back in 2008

Chase Gomez
Chase Gomez

Manning would likely prove unable to affect meaningful change even if elected. Furthermore, its election would likely only serve to embolden the utter idpol cancer that have tied themselves to its cause. Good as a PR stunt to attract attention from a news media that has moved on to other matters, though.

Hudson Perez
Hudson Perez

Chelsea Manning is awesome and the people who pick on her for dumb shit like being a furry or using emojis are invariably lame.

Angel Campbell
Angel Campbell

So what is there to lose, exactly?

Luis Stewart
Luis Stewart

its cause
?

Aaron Reed
Aaron Reed

worried that the one of the few people who demonstrated morality in the face of the Iraq war being elected is a bad thing
twitter.com/xychelsea/status/950799001808461827
I mean you could make a valid argument that being a tranny will be a much bigger deal in the election, but that is her fault

Hunter Thomas
Hunter Thomas

isn't*

James Garcia
James Garcia

The increased attention on Manning will likely mean that the idpol morons screaming about "white people" being the font of all evil and not sucking off tranny cock means you are literally Hitler also grab the spotlight. Ultimately, that's self defeating given that the aim is quite clearly outreach to the masses.

Nicholas Bennett
Nicholas Bennett

…about "white people" being the…
Dropped

Liam Murphy
Liam Murphy

Chelsea Manning is anticommunist (equates USSR to Nazi Germany, see pic) and shills constantly for the Democratic Cops of America. Ironically she also shits on actual democratic socialism in Venezuela. Her leaks (while important) resulted in extensive promotion of Julian Assange, who is a blatant crypto-fascist. She served in the 10th Mountain Division, which a number of other miraculous "leftist converts" in the military did as well (see pics, extremely suspect). She is actually still on active duty, meaning anything she says right now is tacitly approved by the US military (newsradio540.iheart.com/content/2017-05-17-chelsea-manning-will-be-on-active-duty-when-shes-released-today/).

Make up your own mind, but at least know the facts. Whistleblower worship is a liberal mind disease. We have an abundance of facts about capitalist crimes, we need to use them to expose capitalism, not just dump stuff on the internet and let the MSM report on it as a bunch of disconnected, meaningless events. As well, WL-style whistleblowers are a very small minority of the people who are actually bringing us these facts. Investigative journalism as a profession is more important in many ways, and it is under intense assault by the porkies.

Daniel Kelly
Daniel Kelly

Marvellous.

Michael Phillips
Michael Phillips

Thanks BO
Anyway, to explain myself: While leaking the documents was good, can any Manning supporters here give a plausible explanation of why Obama would pardon an actual risk to the state like that, if she weren't going to be used as an asset? Like, what does the state have to gain by releasing a person of that character into the wild? I can't say I blame her for taking a deal (if I had to choose between that and being tortured in solitary confinement for the rest of my life I'd sell out without a second thought), but that doesn't mean I can't call her out for what she is.

This guy is right too

Blake Cooper
Blake Cooper

YA ALLAH
All of this is more L's so I hope she quits it. You've got your reactionaries, your liberals, and if what user posted above she might still be on active duty.
Let's not get into Venezuela but an oil based economy did really fuck the common people over. Let's save that disk horse for another time.

Andrew Wright
Andrew Wright

Yes, the deal is also suspect. It's perfectly likely she really was tortured, and she broke under the torture and brainwashing (like most human beings would) and cut a deal to do some kind of fucked up PSYOP.

Robert Wright
Robert Wright

youtube.com/watch?v=NnBiGsbTiFI

Parker Sanders
Parker Sanders

This is stupid

Isaac Kelly
Isaac Kelly

OK, why are you posting with your trip?

Owen Green
Owen Green

Ironically she also shits on actual democratic socialism in Venezuela
oh no

Gabriel Reyes
Gabriel Reyes

Chelsea Manning is anticommunist (equates USSR to Nazi Germany, see pic) and shills constantly for the Democratic Cops of America. Ironically she also shits on actual democratic socialism in Venezuela
I'm willing to countenance she is a bit of a dunce when it comes to theory and eats a lot of the mainstream narratives about various stripes of leftism. Nevertheless, she has appeal among the liberal idpolyps and also supports a basket of policies that are commendable and will make easier actual leftist organizing more possible (namely her opposition to police power), and that's about as good as you'll get in the states.

The rest of that post frankly sounds like CT. Ex-soldiers acting as sleeper cells is the stuff of novels; actual COINTELPRO infiltrators tend not to carry it on their sleeve like that.

Julian Wood
Julian Wood

Nah the libs will hate her because she is running against a democrat incumbent and thus "OMG HELPING TRUMP YOU FUCKING BERNIEBRO".

Ethan Jackson
Ethan Jackson

He's probably going to lose tbqh; then again, it wouldn't be the first time Americans have elected an obviously mentally unstable individual.

Jaxson Turner
Jaxson Turner

Chelsea Manning is anticommunist (equates USSR to Nazi Germany, see pic) and shills constantly for the Democratic Cops of America.
So what, it’s her or a neoliberal who get’s elected. She’s a best case scenario.
Her leaks (while important) resulted in extensive promotion of Julian Assange, who is a blatant crypto-fascist.
Assange is a cyrpto-fascist
No he isn’t. A crypto-fascist wouldn’t be against shit like surveillance.

Liam Roberts
Liam Roberts

wew
not wanting an unstable American government
I don't actually think she's unstable but come on now

Connor Brooks
Connor Brooks

whistleblower worthip is a liberal mind disease

Most of the liberals I've seen have literally been calling her a traitor.

Kevin Flores
Kevin Flores

Seriously doubt that he has a chance
But the same was also said about Trump, so I'm not sure

Nathan Myers
Nathan Myers

I don't think anyone on this site has a good understanding of American politics.

A /pol/ is still a /pol/ even if it's lefty.

Grayson Lee
Grayson Lee

It makes sense if you were already an incredibly unintelligent board owner taking hormone pills that make you lash out in uncontrolled fits of autism

Matthew Cox
Matthew Cox

not wanting an unstable American government

I don't actually think she's unstable but come on now

There's burgers here who think Trump is indicative of a stable government

Jack Mitchell
Jack Mitchell

Then they're idiots, the American Empire is collapsing before our eyes and its is glorious.

Oliver Nguyen
Oliver Nguyen

Could also be that the 10th Mountain Division is a shit place to work and has been dragged around the most hellish warzones of Iraq and Afghanistan for 16 years running. That sort of thing would tend to make even the most deranged troops think twice, and from all reports it's a spectacularly horrible work environment all on its own. Plenty of push for people to rethink America's role in the world.

Joseph Clark
Joseph Clark

So I need a summary, are we supporting her or not? I unironically want her to win just because of how big of a "fuck you" it would be to the CIA and the Democrats, but I want to know your guys thoughts.

Jeremiah Lee
Jeremiah Lee

I'm in the same place as you, Maryland is full of federal intelligence agents so I think it'd burn a little extra just for them to see their "muh russia" Senator kicked off his seat.

Leo Rivera
Leo Rivera

No, "we" are not supporting opportunist emoji socdems and possible agents to run in irrelevant elections.

Asher Parker
Asher Parker

Michael Prysner is a Marxist Leninist and member of the PSL. So fucking what if he's a veteran?

Asher Peterson
Asher Peterson

He was a CIA torturer, do you hear him calling for his own trial and imprisonment? No? Just whining about his own PTSD. He is a black mark on the PSL and part of a program to extend soldier/veteran worship into "socialist" circles.

Parker Phillips
Parker Phillips

We are free to disagree.

Oliver Perry
Oliver Perry

Yes, so stop with this "we" BS.

Nathan Hall
Nathan Hall

this new REEEEEEing about anyone who's ever had any contact with the military/intelligence sector ever is completely divorced from any meaningful theory

the reason we don't allow cops to join our parties isnt because we think policing is wrong, it's because we don't want to get arrested. obsessing over the histories of people is bourgeois moralizing. if you're so opposed to veterans joining socialist formations, justify it on tactical or theoretical grounds rather than "muh feels".

ps don't say class enemies can't theoretically join socialist orgs because i guarantee you almost every poster here is pb

Owen Bell
Owen Bell

I'm a different poster than the one you were responding too.

Parker Rogers
Parker Rogers

the reason we don't allow cops to join our parties isnt because we think policing is wrong, it's because we don't want to get arrested.
This doesn't apply to spies and soldiers suddenly?

obsessing over the histories of people is bourgeois moralizing.
It's the only way to know if someone is trustworthy. If they were your enemy in the past, they better have a really good explanation and renunciation for why they want to work with you now. And even then must be kept at arm's length/compartmentalized. None of these miraculous socialist soldier converts from the 10th Mountain Division have given the proper and needed renunciation, and Rapone for instance is still in fucking West Point. They should not be trusted or promoted. One of the US empire's greatest ideological weapons today is worship of soldiers, spies, and cops, and socialists must fight it.

Kevin Reed
Kevin Reed

if you get arrested by a veteran fucking let me know lol

as far as the cult of soldier-worship goes, its not like people who support manning support her because she was a soldier. i support her because she endangered and possibly ended the lives of US soldiers and intelligence assets

as far as trustworthiness goes, sure i wouldn't want her or prysner in my ultra-underground revolutionary ML sect or whatever (though i think those are fucking stupid and any org that doesnt massively base-build is useless imo)

Brandon Diaz
Brandon Diaz

if you get arrested by a veteran fucking let me know lol
How do you know they're a vet though?

as far as the cult of soldier-worship goes, its not like people who support manning support her because she was a soldier.
I'm referring more to Prysner and Rapone (as well as others such as Democratic Cops of America's Lee Carter who got elected). However there is a lot of vet/soldier worship rhetoric around Manning as well actually.

i support her because she endangered and possibly ended the lives of US soldiers and intelligence assets
You should get your story straight, all her activists say this wasn't the case. And how could it be? Most US soldiers are in no real danger regardless, they are just colonial occupiers, not real warriors.

as far as trustworthiness goes, sure i wouldn't want her or prysner in my ultra-underground revolutionary ML sect or whatever (though i think those are fucking stupid and any org that doesnt massively base-build is useless imo)
OK, well have fun getting shot/arrested/blacklisted ten or twenty years from now when the new Red Scare starts. That'll surely bring us communism.

Ayden Bell
Ayden Bell

This doesn't apply to spies

Levi Garcia
Levi Garcia

the best way to combat a red scare is by making socialism popular, not by confining ourselves to tiny cells with impossibly high barriers to entry.

if there's another red scare, there's nothing for us to do, the population would be anti-communist and we couldn't organize. the only sane way to take that into consideration is via mass progressive base building with clandestine, implied relationships between groups, like with PSL-DSA

Oliver Mitchell
Oliver Mitchell

You don't need to embarrass yourself by admitting you get political theory from video games.

Andrew Watson
Andrew Watson

This doesn't apply to spies and soldiers suddenly?
So now are we arguing that Chelsea is a fucking spy after being tortured by the US government in maximum security prison for FIVE PLUS STRAIGHT FUCKING YEARS IN SOLITARY CONFINEMENT, for JUST leaking information about the fucking Iraq War?

Is she the spy? Why, she decided to join the military, or she was in solitary and is trans now so she's the Manchurian Candidate?

This is all so bloody ridiculous because we have no fucking proof of any god damn double dealing, and it's in my best interest some left candidate in whatever capacity gets in the US government instead of a fucking Russia Conspiracy pushing Clintonite.

Show evidence or stop arguing. It's that simple. All you have is speculation and finger twiddling.

Matthew Flores
Matthew Flores

Once again, not the person you were responding too.

Grayson Peterson
Grayson Peterson

Can't take a joke?

Landon Hernandez
Landon Hernandez

the best way to combat a red scare is by making socialism popular,
Socialism was "popular" and gaining popularity when the red scares were initiated. Didn't protect the CPUSA.

not by confining ourselves to tiny cells with impossibly high barriers to entry.
This is necessary to continue popularizing socialism past a certain point, because you can't popularize socialism when you're dead or in prison.

You are arguing from a totally ahistorical standpoint.

Levi Thompson
Levi Thompson

So now are we arguing that Chelsea is a fucking spy after being tortured by the US government in maximum security prison for FIVE PLUS STRAIGHT FUCKING YEARS IN SOLITARY CONFINEMENT, for JUST leaking information about the fucking Iraq War?
Again, I was talking about Prysner, but why exactly is it so ridiculous to think Chelsea's pardon had conditions? Why is she acting in ways that benefit empire? It's no "Manchurian candidate," she is openly anticommunist and running in elections on a vague socdem platform.

Joseph Perry
Joseph Perry

but why exactly is it so ridiculous to think Chelsea's pardon had conditions?

Well, first of all because we have no evidence so this is the equivalent of speculating on Russiagate bullshit. I'm tired of it, it's fruitless, it's stupid, it's counter intuitive, and it's based on idiocy.

Stop playing Eric Garland.

Parker Campbell
Parker Campbell

1) no, socialism was never, ever popular in this country lol

2) if we have another red scare we're fucked

3) a popular socialist movement cannot, by definition, be subject to the insane barriers of entry that you propose

Isaiah Taylor
Isaiah Taylor

Well, first of all because we have no evidence
lmfao, guess what, in order to act as communists we must make guesses and protect against possibilities. We use Marxism to make our guesses and predictions more accurate. Now think, what exactly have I said here?
1. Chelsea is acting in ways that benefit empire now.
2. This is possibly because she was tortured and forced to make a deal.
These are both perfectly reasonable and evidence-based assertions.

Kevin Edwards
Kevin Edwards

a popular socialist movement cannot, by definition, be subject to the insane barriers of entry that you propose

<who were the Bolsheviks

Isaiah Baker
Isaiah Baker

It's not your job to act like Eric Garland unfortunately, I disagree.

Jaxon Peterson
Jaxon Peterson

1) no, socialism was never, ever popular in this country lol
It was at its most popular in history before and during the Red Scare, THAT'S WHY THE RED SCARE HAPPENED. It is impossible to have communist revolution in the USA without having an organization that can ENDURE the inevitable state repression.

2) if we have another red scare we're fucked
Ok then, stay indoors and give up. Because we will have another, and another, and another until revolution succeeds. Otherwise, get with the program and read some fucking books, and help build a party that can survive repression.

3) a popular socialist movement cannot, by definition, be subject to the insane barriers of entry that you propose
They're not insane and yes it can.

Connor Price
Connor Price

Me, edglord leftist : all cops and soldiers are bastards because they have an interest in upholding the law of the oppressive state

you, genius demsucc : you're just making things up sweaty. Just because we know she's a soldier who is still technically on active duty doesn't mean she's still imperialist.

Liam Peterson
Liam Peterson

This is possibly because she was tortured and forced to make a deal.
To do what? This is fucking Russiagate tier

Luis Johnson
Luis Johnson

Who the fuck is Eric Garland? Why do you think I give a shit about liberal pundits? Get your head out of the punditland gutter.

Jackson Clark
Jackson Clark

you're just making things up sweaty
You are. There is 0 evidence of anything you're saying. And you admit it.

Daniel Gonzalez
Daniel Gonzalez

Who the fuck is Eric Garland?
Someone as insane as you.

Connor Carter
Connor Carter

zero evidence

Caleb Myers
Caleb Myers

Ah, the old "you're insane" argument, really good shit.

Samuel Ward
Samuel Ward

Julian Assange, who is a blatant crypto-fascist.
Wrong.

William Murphy
William Murphy

first of all I'm not OP. second of all have you not read this thread? Why are you trusting soldiers now? What is your rational?

Jacob Wood
Jacob Wood

The evidence you have is bad mouthing the USSR? What the fuck kind of evidence of a deal is that? What deal is it? Again, nothing.

Xavier Hill
Xavier Hill

It's tried and true.

Isaac Ward
Isaac Ward

Why are you trusting soldiers now?
Because they went to federal prison for five years over leaking top secret information about the US military killing civilians?

See, I have evidence that this happened.

We all do.

You have speculation and gossip.

Ayden Morgan
Ayden Morgan

Yes, and aiding the Democratic Cops of America, objectively an imperialist Democrat organization. The fact that she served in the 10th Mountain Division and is still on active duty is basically just supplementary info.

Luke Rogers
Luke Rogers

Yes, and aiding the Democratic Cops of America, objectively an imperialist Democrat organization

So, she shat on the USSR and joined a socialist org in America that's attatched to the hip with the democratic party.

That's not looking good, but it's not evidence of any "deal making" this is pulled straight out of your ass. Stop pulling ideas out of your ass, it doesn't look attractive. Conspiracy theorist.

Daniel Robinson
Daniel Robinson

Whoopty dooo she went to prison. Millions of people go to prison but that doesn't make them allies. Also, she repeatedly talks about being a proud veteran. She hasn't even renounced her allegiance to the state.

Brody Watson
Brody Watson

basically, muh feels. I don't think I'm demonizing Chelsea, who is almost certainly a victim. I'm saying that her public facing behavior is suspect and not trustworthy, and probably doesn't represent what she actually thinks or wants.

Ian Robinson
Ian Robinson

Whoopty dooo she went to prison
You're not getting my point, and you're acting erratically.

Ryder Diaz
Ryder Diaz

basically, muh feels
No I'm saying "This happened" "There is no evidence of this happening"

Which is…correct

Benjamin Lee
Benjamin Lee

That's not looking good, but it's not evidence of any "deal making" this is pulled straight out of your ass. Stop pulling ideas out of your ass, it doesn't look attractive. Conspiracy theorist.
Conspiracy theories are good and necessary. Stop acting like an emotional child.

Cooper Lee
Cooper Lee

I bet you're one of the people who said people were conspiracy theorists for saying the democratic primary was rigged.

William Garcia
William Garcia

Conspiracy theories are good and necessary
No, they are not. They are peddling uncited and unspecific bullshit. Children act without evidence before acting on their decision making. Mentally ill people do this as well.

If I'm a child, you're a vegetable.

Christopher Gray
Christopher Gray

Conspiracy theories are good and necessary
No, they are not.
So you're against theory? Ok, go to /liberalpol/index.html.

Jacob Russell
Jacob Russell

I bet you're one of the people who said people were conspiracy theorists for saying the democratic primary was rigged.
No, I'm not. I've just said that peddling this is the equivalent of peddling that.

There is no evidence.

Brody Wright
Brody Wright

So you're against theory?
Do you confuse conspiracy theory with socialist theory?

Is this sentence redundant?

James Stewart
James Stewart

Marxist theory has long been denounced as "conspiracy theory," because it necessarily posits that the bourgeoisie and their secret organizations do conspire against the proletariat. Moreover, Marxists base their theory on history, and history is rife with proof of conspiracies that were at the time dismissed as "mere conspiracy theories." Yes, Marxists must theorize about conspiracy theories, if they don't, they are total failures as Marxists.

Parenti:
youtube.com/watch?v=Jsua0m6GreY

Mason Davis
Mason Davis

Marxist theory has long been denounced as "conspiracy theory,"

Backpedal Backpedal Backpedal Backpedal Backpedal

Brandon Martin
Brandon Martin

What are you even saying? Total brain mush. Just log off and read a book.

Nathaniel Martinez
Nathaniel Martinez

This would be an argument if there was anything rooted in Marx in accusing a former enemy of the state of making secret deals with the Obama administration like a boomer confused about Russia watching MSNBC.

John Brooks
John Brooks

What are you even saying?
I'm saying that you're steering the argument away from the lack of evidence of your accusations

Jayden Rogers
Jayden Rogers

Me: Russiagate is bullshit
Also me: I have no evidence, but time for some game theory. What if Chelsea Manning sucked Obama's dick to get out of prison/ #StayWoke

Joshua Nguyen
Joshua Nguyen

lmao, Marxists like Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Ho Chi Minh, and Castro (the list goes on) all famously denounced various "enemies of capitalism" as spies.

Connor Foster
Connor Foster

go back to twitter turing police

Thomas Price
Thomas Price

What is this garbage? You are spamming to drown out argument at this point.

Gabriel Turner
Gabriel Turner

lmao, Marxists like Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Ho Chi Minh, and Castro (the list goes on) all famously denounced various "enemies of capitalism" as spies.

And? What's your point? I'm asking for evidence

James White
James White

People mocking you

Mason Myers
Mason Myers

seriously go back to your twitter torture chamber. this website is for people who think there are alternative forms of organization to the underground cult worth discussing

Eli King
Eli King

You're going in circles, I will respond to new/real arguments that haven't already been addressed.

John Reed
John Reed

You're going in circles
Yes I am. I'm going in circles asking you for evidence to back up your claim to which you reply "YOU'RE A CHILD! OAF! YOU CIRCLER!"

I am asking for some concrete fucking evidence

All you have to do, is give it to me. It's not that difficult.

Carson Long
Carson Long

good job you have a twiiter account how cool of you

Dominic Lewis
Dominic Lewis

You'll probably respond until hell freezes over let's be real here

Grayson Wilson
Grayson Wilson

????

Jeremiah Jones
Jeremiah Jones

?????

Alexander Wright
Alexander Wright

i just want the fucking t*nkie twitter ML circlejerk retards to go back to their own website. like we get it, you think the only viable socialist organization is a hyper-sectarian ultra-underground microsect that also thinks china is socialist for some reason.

its pointless debating you because you refuse to confront the LITERAL REALITY that groups other than that will exist, and that treating them as enemies and distractions from your True Revolutionary Path is why we never win anything. its only you fucking faggots. its literally only you guys. MLMs dont care. anarchists dont care. nobody but you dumb xi jinping worshippers gives a fucking shit about this!!!!

Jaxon Rodriguez
Jaxon Rodriguez

so you think Obama let her out because of the… goodness of his heart?

Jeremiah Phillips
Jeremiah Phillips

Because it's bad PR to other nations to have someone who whistleblew on the killing of civilians to be tortured in prison.

Aaron Rivera
Aaron Rivera

go re-read my posts:
I have addressed all your major points and you have stooped to random insults.

Thomas Reed
Thomas Reed

go re-read my posts:
Post evidence first.

Caleb Jackson
Caleb Jackson

Because it's bad PR to other nations to have someone who whistleblew on the killing of civilians to be tortured in prison.
So why didn't Obama pardon her immediately? …also bad PR?

Ian Stewart
Ian Stewart

I addressed that in my posts.

Dominic Martinez
Dominic Martinez

So why didn't Obama pardon her immediately?
Because there wasn't as much international pressure at the time. It's a blatantly transparent move.

If there was a """"""""deal""""""""" why are they working to get her back in prison?

Aiden Myers
Aiden Myers

You did not post any evidence, no

Gavin Hill
Gavin Hill

youre responding to two separate people but you need to accept the fact that a *mass socialsit movement will exist* and you will *not* be able to exert your will over it to forbid veterans from joining.

the ball is literally in your court. you can take it and go home, or you can develop principled way of dealing with people who dont feel like organizing revolutionary microcells

Colton Robinson
Colton Robinson

Because there wasn't as much international pressure at the time.
lol, "international pressure" is a joke.

If there was a """"""""deal""""""""" why are they working to get her back in prison?
If they're hounding her (perfectly likely), then that would actually them enforce their deal if one was made.

Mason Green
Mason Green

Jimmy Dore openly calling for a march on Jeff Bezos's house and end to capitalism
Manning running for Senate
Economic crash imminent
Possible war with DPRK
Possible economic war with China

Wew lads, the next few years are truly going to be fucking insane

Evan Taylor
Evan Taylor

2018 is already 1914 2.0

All it would take is one bullet in the wrong person.

Alexander Bell
Alexander Bell

I wish tbh

Jason Perry
Jason Perry

If you’re going to astroturf, atleast our sims effort in to it.

James Bennett
James Bennett

He should be walled for serving ub the military

Adam Walker
Adam Walker

Network Security Expert
Former Intelligence Analyst for the fucking US government
LGBTQ+ idpoler
Reinvented identity in order to gain full backing from the buzzfeed-tier liberals
Nah, fuck off.

Nathaniel Gray
Nathaniel Gray

2356421
feel like a very important piece of information is missing... hmmm

Elijah Butler
Elijah Butler

2356421
There's literally nothing wrong with leaking US government documents. They are an vile empire and have no right to exist, let alone exploit the entire fucking planet.

Gavin Hall
Gavin Hall

2356421
Reinvented identity in order to gain full backing from the buzzfeed-tier liberals
He was like this waaaaay before he leaked anything fuck off

Juan Mitchell
Juan Mitchell

2356446
2356421
samefag

Adam Cook
Adam Cook

Alright edgelord, settle down.

How else are leftists meant to get military experience for the revolution? Books can only teach you so much. Besides, serving in the military can be a great opportunity for entryism. Which fucking works, in Chelsea's case.

Christ, you sound like a shill.

Leo Rivera
Leo Rivera

How else are leftists meant to get military experience for the revolution?
Through training and through the practical experience of engaging in legal and illegal work. At a certain stage, a revolutionary party should also seek training and assistance from existing communist or resistance countries, such as the training and assistance that Hezbollah operators received from the DPRK, Syria, Iran, etc.

Besides, serving in the military can be a great opportunity for entryism. Which fucking works, in Chelsea's case.
That's not even entryism, you are a braindead idiot who needs to read a book.

Jayden Jones
Jayden Jones

Forgot to add this: American soldiers are trained to DISMANTLE insurgencies, while communist revolutionaries must learn to BUILD them. The overlap in skills needed for these two opposing skills is actually not very significant.

Jonathan Garcia
Jonathan Garcia

It'd be useful to know what they're going to do to you to take down your insurgency.

Dylan Gomez
Dylan Gomez

That's not some kind of great secret, and again, comrades in anti-imperialist countries can help fill in the gaps. In an advanced stage of capitalist crisis, American revolutionaries, for instance, could probably receive Cuban and Chinese assistance (provided they had already proven themselves somewhat).

Lucas Cooper
Lucas Cooper

Likewise, the counter-insurgency theory draws heavily from military theory from guerrilla warfare. And make no mistake, basic modern military training skills are largely the same whether you were trained in the US army or by the NVA.

Joseph Moore
Joseph Moore

Chinese assistance
Good to know the revolution is dependent on whether Chinese social imperialism desires it then.

James Hill
James Hill

And make no mistake, basic modern military training skills are largely the same whether you were trained in the US army or by the NVA.
I say the overlap is "not significant" not because there is not a lot of overlap, but because much of the overlap IS BASIC TRAINING, which is rock-stupid. If any dumbass petty-booj American grunt can learn it, it is not a great secret that communists "NEED veterans" to teach it to them.

Likewise, the counter-insurgency theory draws heavily from military theory from guerrilla warfare.
Yeah but that doesn't translate to the training. The training is opposed to insurgency and resistance, period. It can't magically be turned around and used for resistance.

MANDELA: One of the mistakes which some political analysts make is to think their enemies should be our enemies. Our attitude towards any country is determined by the attitude of that country to our struggle. Yasser Arafat, Colonel Gaddafi [and] Fidel Castro support our struggle to the hilt. There is no reason whatsoever why we should have any hesitation about hailing their commitment to human rights as they’re being demanded in South Africa… They do not support [the anti-apartheid struggle] only in rhetoric; they are placing resources at our disposal for us to win the struggle. That is the position.

Also
Chinese imperialism
lmao

Carson Kelly
Carson Kelly

Bruv are you seriously arguing that being a "conspiracy theorist" is bad? Like it's one thing if you don't accept this particular conspiracy theory, but if you actually think believing in government conspiracies is bad then yeah you should probably fuck off back to /liberalpol/.

Xavier Anderson
Xavier Anderson

imperialist American military seeking global hegemony teaches the same skills as insurrectionary communist armies
Retard

Nathaniel Wright
Nathaniel Wright

Yasser Arafat
Kidafi
Castro
Sorry which on of them was running china in the 1980s again?

Chinese Imperialism
Lol
"Look a state capitalist regime with an integrated bourgeois class engaging in economic exploitation of third world countries is not imperialism because they have red flags and shiet"

Kevin Torres
Kevin Torres

Sorry you are an infantile idiot who can't engage an argument in good faith.

Camden Price
Camden Price

the opsec-obsessed retard is also a "china is socialist" guy

literally like clockwork. what is it about not knowing what socialism is that also makes you a paranoid cultist?

Jaxson Rivera
Jaxson Rivera

lmao I didn't even say china is socialist and you're triggered as fuck.

Gabriel Jenkins
Gabriel Jenkins

supporting a socdem running as a democrap

WTF leftypol I expected better from you

Matthew Jackson
Matthew Jackson

*licks paws*

Josiah Rodriguez
Josiah Rodriguez

Well, it is a step towards the left. Fucking Bernie was too radical for them, so shorter steps might be needed.

Jeremiah Rivera
Jeremiah Rivera

is china socialist

Jason Hill
Jason Hill

Probably.

Eli Gonzalez
Eli Gonzalez

Cardin and McCain were the two primary sponsors for Global Magitsky. Wikileaks is a Russian friendly. Manning offloaded intel to Wikileaks. Is Manning running to a) get back at the establishment and b) to move the Democrats further to the left and make them less appealing in national elections?

Aiden Lewis
Aiden Lewis

come back to Holla Forums
there are people unironically supporting porky-safe radlib cancer
""she""
this is an embarassment

MUUUUH ELL GEE BEE TEE
Y DO BRoCIALiSTS hATe Her?!?
BASED

Jaxson Torres
Jaxson Torres

What does no one remember this, really?

Bentley Morgan
Bentley Morgan

more epic video game references

Eli Green
Eli Green

Your bitching is ceaseless. It really is spectacular.

Nolan Lee
Nolan Lee

tfw you are studying China
<I guess all those chinese porkies in the CPC are actually revolutionary agents.

Zachary Martinez
Zachary Martinez

tfw you are studying China *for your CIA-funded Humanities department

Isaac Brown
Isaac Brown

CIA CIA CIA CIA

William Sullivan
William Sullivan

Let me guess, all those members of the literal bourgeoisie are in fact revolutionary comrades?

Xavier Diaz
Xavier Diaz

tfw u literally go to an american liberal arts college with a chinese funded think tank and thousands of chinese international students who are the children of investors
rethink your life user

Jaxon Lewis
Jaxon Lewis

liberal arts college
What the fuck does this even mean at this point

Caleb Cox
Caleb Cox

focus on humanities mostly.

Jaxon Turner
Jaxon Turner

And?

Luke Lopez
Luke Lopez

that's just about it, I don't know why you're so focused on that detail it was just flavor text.

Christopher Morales
Christopher Morales

Also two things
1) I am not a bloody yank
2) I am at a uni with a fucktonne of Chinese students; they are mostly the sons and daughters of porkies.

Adam Martinez
Adam Martinez

Yes, CIA CIA CIA. The USA controls over half the planet and the CIA is one of their most important tools. They (or Mi5 or whoever) control your college too.

Anthony Sullivan
Anthony Sullivan

Criticizing the humanities for little reason in a post is a tired and annoying tell.

Gabriel Price
Gabriel Price

The USA controls over half the planet and the CIA is one of their most important tools
I, and nobody else, is denying that. I am simply saying you argue like a chump and you're stupid.

John White
John White

I'm not criticizing it, why would I be critical of liberal arts when I go to a liberal arts college?

Jace Scott
Jace Scott

Don't go to college. Don't go outside. Don't read books. Listen to my posts, they will set you free. Chelsea Manning PsyOp CONFIRMED, RUSSIA!

Julian Miller
Julian Miller

Don't go to college. Don't go outside. Don't read books. Listen to my posts, they will set you free. Chelsea Manning PsyOp CONFIRMED, RUSSIA!
Fuck off shitposter. Go to college, go outside, read books, and be critical and realistic about everything.

Justin James
Justin James

Go to college, go outside, read books, and be critical and realistic about everything.
Good advice, you should follow it.

Ethan Allen
Ethan Allen

Back to gradeschool-level insults.

Jason Sanders
Jason Sanders

Ad Hominass

Benjamin Reed
Benjamin Reed

< what does it mean that she is on active duty?
< how close is she really to DemCops?
the dialectics are in motion.
< please do not entertain the idea that electoral politics are an arena for political gain.
< you will not achieve dual power by voting in a state run election.

Oliver Foster
Oliver Foster

former political prisoner seeks public office against a pro-national security state and pro welfare reform "liberal"

Sounds like a good story desu. Why are people against this again? It's not enough to just say "CIA" - what, concretely, would the CIA gain by her running for office they wouldn't get with slime like Ben Cardin? (and probably losing by 60 points, let's be honest, though I'd love if she won.)

Jeremiah Jackson
Jeremiah Jackson

It distracts leftish people who could be doing something that's actually subversive
Same as the Democrat Cops of America

Tyler Richardson
Tyler Richardson

Nah, you're just a retarded ☭TANKIE☭.

Blake Russell
Blake Russell

>she

Carter Butler
Carter Butler

Why are you a reformist? Have the Democrats ever given you hope? Why is being skeptical about joining the enemy something only a ☭TANKIE☭ would do?

James Morales
James Morales

Is running against a democrat as an indy
<SHE'S A DEMOCROT
Dude, actually read the cocking article.

Adrian Phillips
Adrian Phillips

is an anarchist
legitimizes american electoral system by participating

She's a regular hero

Mason Jenkins
Mason Jenkins

Chelsea is fit

Austin Green
Austin Green

how will /idpol/ react?

Lucas Thomas
Lucas Thomas

Only the toppest of keks
B-but many of Our Troops are communists in waiting!
We need to change the US military from within!
Soldiers are nothing like cops! Cops kill and oppress people, soldiers… uh… they just signed up for the medical benefits!

Luis Turner
Luis Turner

ahahahhahah fuck this shit

Bentley Powell
Bentley Powell

delet

Oliver King
Oliver King

The Roo has spoken. The debate is now over:
youtube.com/watch?v=U3CuhhFMrmg
his analysis was more nuanced and fair-minded than I expected

Elijah Scott
Elijah Scott

Just got this while going there. Porky is scared of the Roo I think.

Charles Price
Charles Price

Communism will always be violent
Because pacifists are all dead.

Carter Campbell
Carter Campbell

Wow this was an amazing thread, I honestly can’t say I’ve ever seen such a vicious exchange on Holla Forums.

I don’t think Chelsea is definitely a gov plant (I guess she could be but idk what they’d gain from running her in Maryland) but I really don’t think her positions are really very developed or worth supporting.

Julian Wood
Julian Wood

transgendered individuals are a product of the free market

Jeremiah Johnson
Jeremiah Johnson

newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2018/01/educating-young-about-communism-therapy-tories-not-electoral-strategy
Relevant, it is basically the last screeches of a mainstream right that doesn't know how to handle the rise of the red left. The irony is that meme culture has killed red baiting: one of the running YTP themes is blasting the anthem of the USSR over shit and people don't give a shit. Heck I have a матрёшка from Russia that has Stalin on it: not one gives a flying fuck about it (the fact this was a gift from someone who is 100% not a communist says even more). So, what does the mainstream do? Resort to cold war rhetoric. Except as the article points out: communism isn't stopping people from getting a home, from working with a living wage, from having a decent existence. It is like things have been reset back to 1900. People forget that prior to Lenin the red scare was just as real, it was just that there was an existential threat hanging the world in the form of the ebul society from about the 5th of March 1946-1990. Now that threat is gone, things lay bare.

Adrian Campbell
Adrian Campbell

Legitimately I am impressed by Unruhe, he makes a decent argument. I would say the one flaw in the video is he offers very little alternative.

Mason Foster
Mason Foster

BV shilling for the US government

Holla Forums is a psyop confirmed

Ayden Turner
Ayden Turner

One big gripe with his talk: he says that Manning is "not qualified" for the job. Yet he doesn't explain this any further than making reference to Trump also being unqualified. What does he mean, is he being a credentialist here? This is a terrible point to make; professional politicians and bureaucrats are just as "unqualified" re: changing the system, more so even. The current professional political class is almost entirely corrupted, and we should be fishing outside of it for better representatives.

Benjamin Baker
Benjamin Baker

we should be fishing outside of it for better representatives.

We shouldn't be participating in bourgeois politics at all, really. We should only participate in in as part of a larger revolutionary praxis.

Luke Foster
Luke Foster

Disagree entirely. As far as voting goes, for what little good it might do, it's still only at most an afternoon of work every few years, so you might as well do it. When it comes to political organizing to participate in elections, again, why not? If you're already building a larger movement, you might as well mobilize it a few months ever few years to try get some reliable people in office. If nothing else, they can fleece the expenses and services provided by parliament to support the larger movement.

Robert Powell
Robert Powell

Actually, I think we basically agree, although the question becomes, just how much of our limited resources should we be devoting to the electoral process. We have to consider our opportunity costs.

Gavin Martin
Gavin Martin

Yeah, probably. Mea culpa for ignoring your second sentence.

Jordan Allen
Jordan Allen

This but unironically

Camden Morales
Camden Morales

lol, what? I'm being serious. The liberal msm outlets have had plenty of op-eds accusing her of being a traitor that endangered big mac operatives overseas, and online I've seen tons of people who were pro-hillary calling her a traitor. Just as one example, go to Resetera (replacement board for Neogaf) and look at the Chelsea Manning thread. On the first page is a mod literally calling her a traitor.

Robert Smith
Robert Smith

Sure, user. Might as well vote Neoliberal/Accelerationist, it's what Marx and Engels would have done.

Brody Bell
Brody Bell

wtf im a mutualist now

Blake Peterson
Blake Peterson

If Chelsea were running on behalf of a Marxist socialist party then I would agree with you.

Joseph Stewart
Joseph Stewart

Guys, Chapo is a psyop! You should stop listening to their shitposting podcast. They have too much money so it must all come from the CIA. No no no don't get out a calculator and type in 5$ times 20k subscribers to see where the money comes from, you silly math nerd! Just listen to me instead! Also, every socialist from Europe the chapos talk to is a psyop as well. You should stop listening to them now.

Guys, Chelsea is a psyop! You should stop reading her random emoji spam. She was pardoned by Obama so she must have made a deal with him, personally, to spread western imperialism across the globe. Also she says nice things about her former colleagues in the military, what a monster! No no no don't read her posts where she states that nationalist fantasies are harmful. Just listen to me, buddy! Also she was tortured so she's probably brainwashed now? Yeah that sounds good. And that laughing emoji pillow she carries around is all part of the CIA brainwashing experiment. You should stop reading her shitposts now.

Jack Allen
Jack Allen

Chapo wasn't mentioned once until you brought them up, illiterate child. In fact, you could easily be one of the most hysterical posters in this thread.

Oliver Wood
Oliver Wood

You don't get it, do you? The exact same psyops psyops psyops screeching happened in the chapo trap house thread and has happened elsewhere. It does not deserve serious replies anymore. It deserves to be mocked into oblivion.

hysterical

That's a laugh. The tinfoil poster and others like him can go screaming about psyops everywhere, but I'm the hysterical one when I make fun of them?

Maybe you should read the OP again. It was banned, then edited to be "allowed" as in "barely tolerated". Can you guess why?

Connor Collins
Connor Collins

The exact same psyops psyops psyops screeching happened in the chapo trap house thread and has happened elsewhere. It does not deserve serious replies anymore.
No one is screeching except for you, you autistic faggot. People have simply drawn attention mainly to two worrying facts: that Manning is at best a reformist socdem, and that her sentence commute/ties to the military are fishy. Trying to downplay these observations by discrediting anyone who talks about them as a conspiracy theorist is liberalism. Read Parenti.

Maybe you should read the OP again. It was banned, then edited to be "allowed" as in "barely tolerated". Can you guess why?
Literally what the fuck are you talking about? No one cares about your board drama.

Luis Thomas
Luis Thomas

The USSR was shit tbh, especially after Stalin’s death.

Also Venezuela is a shithole, it’s like the South Africa of Latin America

Aaron Wood
Aaron Wood

I bet you thought Hillary’s “health problems” were a problem to, right? Thinly veiled sexism is still sexism, but nice try though.

Thomas Richardson
Thomas Richardson

2363492
No one here hates Clinton because she fainted or whatever you absolute dipshit

Christian Watson
Christian Watson

2363492
Clintonites on my Holla Forums
GET OUT

Jace Turner
Jace Turner

Possible war with DPRK
You're too hopeful. The economy war is more likely, though. That one will be really fun. It all depends on what Perfidious Albion will be up to.

Leo Reed
Leo Reed

Reminder that unironic Clinton supports are to be shot.

Juan Jones
Juan Jones

I always pegged Julian as a libertarian.

Aiden Mitchell
Aiden Mitchell

Hoochie isn't a Volunteer any more, so I'll just reiterate that criticism of Manning/Whistleblowers is allowed. However, don't post TERF shit.

Thomas Russell
Thomas Russell

I thought she would be your replacement, now I'm sad.

Isaac Sanders
Isaac Sanders

Julian Assange, who is a blatant crypto-fascist
Yeah he always gave me that impression too.

Chase Kelly
Chase Kelly

Chelsea "crashes" a fascist party somehow even though it's invite only and protestors couldn't get inside. Tries to take selfies with the fash??? For what purpose exactly?

Easton Hernandez
Easton Hernandez

I can't get over how fucking awkward that hand looks, it's the wrong way up for it to be the camera man's or Chealsea's but it's perfectly positioned to be so.

Ayden Powell
Ayden Powell

I fully agree, so long as it's a revolutionary army.

Adam Cooper
Adam Cooper

she's talking about USA mercs you fucking tard

Angel Nelson
Angel Nelson

It's her left hand doing a thumbs down

Matthew Allen
Matthew Allen

lmfao she says she was gathering intel
either she or her handler is a fucking idiot
twitter.com/xychelsea/status/955535851743715328
took up an opportunity to gather intel on them b/c the ideology they peddle threatens everyone 😎🌈💕#WeGotThis

Luke Ward
Luke Ward

equating the USSR to Nazi Germany makes you anti-communist
No it doesn't. It makes you silly, but that's not even what she did anyway. She just compared them on the basis of their oppressive police, which is fair. You can draw comparisons about specific traits that different things have in common without equating the two. Come on now.

shills constantly for the Democratic Cops of America.
The Democrat Cops of America sucks, but the sad reality is that they're the most relevant lefty org. It's full of liberals but there are good people there also.

she also shits on actual democratic socialism in Venezuela
socialism
Venezuela
uh huh
The summary she posted and you reposted is pretty good for what you can fit in a tweet.

Her leaks (while important) resulted in extensive promotion of Julian Assange, who is a blatant crypto-fascist
Assange's politics aside, this is plain bad logic. Just because shitty people benefit from good things that doesn't make them not good things anymore.

She served in the 10th Mountain Division, which a number of other miraculous "leftist converts" in the military did as well
Lots of vets turn left after seeing some shit in the military. "She's a vet" is not grounds for revoking comrade status.

She is actually still on active duty, meaning anything she says right now is tacitly approved by the US military
From your source:
will actually be on active duty once she's freed. That's because her conviction is still under appeal.
almond status: activated

Whistleblower worship is a liberal mind disease.
Where the fuck do you think you are? Whistleblowers are heroes. Period. And liberals hate Manning.

We have an abundance of facts about capitalist crimes, we need to use them to expose capitalism, not just dump stuff on the internet and let the MSM report on it as a bunch of disconnected, meaningless events.
The significance of Manning's leaks isn't the MSM's reporting, but the availability of the information on the internet. Alternative media (social media and the like) was pretty effective as disseminating the revelations. If you have criticism for what to do with the information, that's who to direct it toward, not the insider who leaked it and had little control of what happened once it was out.

As well, WL-style whistleblowers are a very small minority of the people who are actually bringing us these facts. Investigative journalism as a profession is more important in many ways, and it is under intense assault by the porkies.
This isn't a criticism of Manning, and it's also a shitty opinion. Investigative journalists will never have the kind of access that insiders do.

I'm not a fan of Manning, but this criticism is fucking forced as shit. This amount of nonsense compelled me to respond point by point.

Kevin Martin
Kevin Martin

trans military girl gets her hands on some heinous shit and leaks it, showing America's ass
gets sent to prison and tortured for 7 years
pardoned because Obama's a pussy who didn't want to look bad to idpol liberals for hurting a trans woman who made Bush look bad
she gets out of a hellhole she probably thought she would never escape, and reacts by saturating everything in 100% unironic emojis (partly due to the 7 year time warp that separated her from the recent bout of irony poisoning)
she immediately takes the once-in-many-lifetimes opportunity and starts dunking on cops, capitalism, and the US
due to the sudden spike in popularity from her historical relevance and persona, she decides to take action in the form of electoral politics
in a staggeringly pure coincidence just as she starts running stuff comes out that worries the hair-trigger lefties that maybe she's not as pure and ideal as they thought
contextless pics of her in the presence of alt-lite/alt-right folks suddenly start circulating
Everyone freaks out trying to connect dots and figure out what it all means
she's been in prison for the last several years, and so is out of touch with what's considered acceptable praxis to the social media left this week, so she doesn't immediately hold a press conference to explain the whole context

Anybody who wasn't expecting dubious smears and mudslinging against Manning is a fucking moron. That shit is standard in elections, and her politics only give people more reason to do it.

Adam Cooper
Adam Cooper

Anti-communism is one thing, you supporting Chavismo is another comrade. Do not.

Easton Ward
Easton Ward

pardoned because Obama's a pussy who didn't want to look bad to idpol liberals for hurting a trans woman who made Bush look bad
Bruh why the fuck would Obama care about that? He was almost done anyway. Besides, even a lot of dems think manning is bad because she endangered muh troops.

Parker Martin
Parker Martin

fuck off gusano

Jace Sanders
Jace Sanders

Another pic of Manning having a great time at this fascist gathering. Again, she had to have a ticket. "Gathering intel" on gullible "leftists" who want to be her friend.

David Brooks
David Brooks

It improves the democrat's image and the more elections the dems win the more opportunities for a former president to make money.

Jonathan Jenkins
Jonathan Jenkins

Yes, and…? You noticed the conditional in my sentence?

Cameron Flores
Cameron Flores

MANNING IS NAZBOL

Jason Bailey
Jason Bailey

weird how the libs have shut up now. even anarchists are criticizing manning at this point.

Ian Gonzalez
Ian Gonzalez

This happens every time
anarchists and social democrats say something is communist/revolutionary
Marxist-Leninists point out why it in fact is neither communist nor revolutionary and is, in fact, reactionary
anarchists and social democrats say MLs are just conspiracy theorists/authoritarians/communists
the reactionary nature of the thing becomes steadily more apparent, to the point that even vanilla liberals have to acknowledge it as such
anarchists and social democrats grudgingly admit that the MLs were right
anarchists and social democrats learn nothing from this experience
t. ex-anarchist who learned from this experience

Carson Wilson
Carson Wilson

lol that word filter
Last word in the fourth line should be "fascistas rojos"

Levi Wright
Levi Wright

actual democratic socialism in Venezuela

Angel Cox
Angel Cox

yes, the PSUV is true "dem soc," of the kind D.S.A claim to be for, or what Allende attempted.

David Morales
David Morales

equates USSR to Nazi Germany
I agree Manning got the typical Arendt-style "anti-totalitarianism" position and that's crap.
actual democratic socialism in Venezuela
No, Manning is correct here. Two decades into the "revolution", they still have capitalism (and I don't mean absence of gay space communism, I mean they still have the capitalist class enjoying almost all the same freedoms as everywhere else, aside from some half-assed price controls).
Julian Assange, who is a blatant crypto-fascist
He's a lolbert. I don't recall if he has ever made some "race realist" bs remarks, probably not.

Julian Phillips
Julian Phillips

Manning now begging fascist lawyers to help get her war criminal friends out of prison. Her friend, Clint Lorance, was such a bloodthirsty evil fuck that his own imperialist comrades couldn't even stand him and testified against him.
mobile.nytimes.com/2017/06/12/magazine/the-long-lonely-road-of-chelsea-manning.html
taskandpurpose.com/think-lt-clint-lorance-murderer/

Cooper Moore
Cooper Moore

The ☭TANKIE☭ conspiracy nuts were right again, as usual.

William Evans
William Evans

it's a "little" more than just "half-assed price controls", you're downplaying the capitalist terror before the social democracy

Jayden Sanders
Jayden Sanders

meaning?

Andrew Wood
Andrew Wood

who is manning dming in the picture you posted?

Anthony Thomas
Anthony Thomas

Tankies have been openly airing their criticisms and suspicions of Chelsea for over a year now, warning people she was going to start promoting fascism and imperialism. Libs and anarkiddies constantly got insanely angry about it, and now they have been BTFO.

Michael Davis
Michael Davis

Cernovich

William Ross
William Ross

It brings us no joy, I assure you.

Ayden Ward
Ayden Ward

how is that "conspiracy" tho, of course we were right about this, that's just how bourgie lefties work
radical talk, reactionary action, we see this happen every time with social democrats, they just want imperialism with a human face

"conspiracy" made me think more about her being "broken" in jail to become a tranny, which is more a /pol/ack one than ☭TANKIE☭

Brody Price
Brody Price

how is that "conspiracy" tho,
Because there is a group of people escorting her around and using her for their political purposes, it's a conspiracy/PSYOP. Here's a post from 2015, actually from a sceptical anarchist.
ohtarzie.wordpress.com/2015/04/03/chelsea-manning-is-not-on-twitter/
As early as then, it was clear that an imperialist PR firm was running all her communications. If you look at her absurd Mr Robot campaign video, it's clear she's still being used.

Grayson Cook
Grayson Cook

oh, i see, you mean the active operators working her
i dont doubt this is happening but she's clearly a willing partner in this

Noah Bell
Noah Bell

she's clearly a willing partner in this
maybe, but it's not really important to our analysis whether she's coerced or not, or to what extent.

Ryan Lee
Ryan Lee

/pol/ theory where Manning was broken in jail to become a tranny
Does anyone even believe this? Manning came out as trans before going to jail, even sent crossdressing pictures to a superior officer in a confession of sorts. The entire reason Manning even joined the military in the first place was to try and suppress crossdressing urges, to try and "man up".

Lincoln Robinson
Lincoln Robinson

Liberals. Disgusting.

Hudson Hughes
Hudson Hughes

Why would the powers that be go through the trouble of propping her up only to reveal her as an imperialist later? They already have a senate, congress, white house and judiciary full of those.

Cameron Hall
Cameron Hall

Everyone owes Phil Greaves an apology (another one)

Austin Fisher
Austin Fisher

only to reveal her as an imperialist later?
What reveal? To many radlibs, Manning's troo revolutionary status is still unimpeachable, and so she's succeeding in promoting US military propaganda to them now.

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