Trump Expands Empire's War on Protests in US

adult logic!

How the fuck could you possibly get prison for life simply for showing up at a demo…?

No it’s to fun.

t. lumpen

That's what I just said.
Opposing black bloc tactics does not protect you from being framed if the state participates in these mass arrests.

You don't need mainstream news organizations. I'm saying that in jail they won't even let you talk to anyone. The jail you went to for being associated with black bloc, because someone sent fake black bloc-ers to the event.

You keep saying this, but I also already said it.
And the statement about football riots is actually pertinent to this. The government isn't cracking down on black bloc, black bloc tactics have shown up in random fucking places for years and never not been a nuisance. It's cracking down on lawful protest and using black bloc as an excuse - the same way it used terrorism as an excuse to spy on pacifists in the 2000s. The only winning move is not to play their game.

Good thing this has nothing to do with what my suggestions to "counter" were. Here, let me quote myself:

Except it doesn't matter if you're "a shit."
In these mass arrests, they largely do not care what you're doing and if it's legal. There is no pure, virginal pacifist answer to that.
Maybe 40 years later after the anti-capitalist part of your group is dead, you can look back and say "see, we were nice and we did everything legal and because we were such martyrs we got some new pro-tranny laws or something lol it was great" but by then the state will have even more bogeymen to use to rationalize disappearing anyone who so much as looks at the flag funny.

Black bloc (bb) gives the police the perfect alibi and you have to be willfully ignorant not to see this. That single teacher who just got arrested for voicing her opposition to the superintendent's raise did more to the American left in a single day than bb did over two decades (which, I'd argue is actually negative).

The popular image that "the left has no program, they resort to vandalism" is reinforced by deeply flawed and ideological tactics as bb, but even worse, the participants of bb think of themselves as brave radicals while in fact they are just performing meaningless acting outs and nihilistic fanaticism against… against what? Advocates of bb would say "against the state," but infrastructure is actually the thing we need regardless who provided it, smashing shop windows is the private sector not the state (and hardly an attack on capitalism as such), while playing cat and mouse games with the police is completely normalized by now: riot porn is pure spectacle, not an inch more than live car chases on TV.

This all boils down to the idiotic conceptions of what radicals should do like propaganda of the deed and other similarly babby-tier theories. You burning down a street has no inherent (let alone radical) message, your acts don't speak for themselves, they are interpreted, in fact, you opt for meaningless violence exactly because you can't speak for yourself.

But this is their game, you moron. Your shit (a)politics is the norm, spectacular/aesthetic activism is the mainstream, meaningless violence is the language shared by ISIS, bb, random outbursts of shooters. The old ideas about the liberatory potential of terrorism lost their edge long ago – and bb isn't even proper terrorism, ffs, it's just a carnival for kids who have no theory or proper tactics.

BB was the final nail in the coffin of OWS. First the horizontalist principles of OWS denied forming a cohesive front, program, media appearance, while establishing a group of "totally not leader" leaders, then the movement crapped its pants over the beautiful meaninglessness of the multiplicities of opinions, so finally bb could end it all in flames much to the dislike of many participants.

To think that those who oppose bb are pacifist is fucking laughable. I'd go as far as to say that it is bb which is pacifist, its pseudo-activism ensures that the things can go on as they do. Nothing is more relaxing for a politician to see that his opposition consists of kids crashing store windows, the point at which the politician starts to shit his pants in fear when he sees a growing mass movement of hundreds of thousands unified under a revolutionary program with competent and dedicated leadership and disciplined manner.

spooooky

Read Left-Wing Communism: an Infantile Disorder
Lenin has valuable insights into how communists in "democratic" countries must be prepared to deal with state repression. We could be heading into a new Red Scare in the next decade or so, so we should not make the same mistakes of getting complacent.
marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1920/lwc/index.htm

The sentences are too harsh I believe though, haven't looked into them but 70 years sounds ridiculous unless there is proof of murder or the like.

The moment politicians and security agencies are shitting their pants if a proper group would coordinate through private channels and would carry out targeted assassinations against politicians and their families. But that of course is terrorism, and terrorism + blackmail + enough money on your side (to manipulate things in your favor if it's better than the above two) work splendid. Probably not in the west but if you look at what Al Qaida achieved in Afghanistan it's super effective.