Is participation in charity activities (feeding homeless, cleanup projects, etc) intrinsically liberal? I’ve seen this opinion before and I’ve never quite understood it. I’ve been active in charities that don’t directly relate to worker struggle, like Meals on Wheels and soup kitchens, and it seems like these activities still offer a vision of the solidarity to be found in communism.

Why would it be? Even fascists or commies do this kind of stuff. Hell, even clergy used to do that.


depends on what you do with it. just feeding into the system or using it to agitate those in need and using the charity organisation only as a tool to get into contact?
just the "feel good" aspect of it is worthless in the bigger picture and only helps yourself psychologically to cope with what is.

< begging for food/clothes
< solidarity of communism

It's not worthless. It's actively harmful (both on personal level and on social).

still wrong, for reason i already gave.

Using charity to agitate is good, the church uses charity to spread it's ideology and it's quite successful. However, charity for charity's sake is feel good bullshit, it's the act of buying an indulgence for your better position within society. Our goal is a world were charity is obsolete. If there is no more exploitation why would we need cahrity?

It serves to reproduce capitalism. All food banks need to be closed. No one has yet to fivure out a way to do some charity for the proletariat that somehow leads to revolution. The homeless dont care if maoists or nazis give them food, either way they wont join revolution

funny enough it's what we did and what got us people to follow. teaching people to read can also be "free education of workforce for porky". or you do it and give them revolutionary literature to educate themself further.
you can hand out food and clothing, sparing porky the costs. but while doing so you give them lessons about dignity and socialism.

porky will exploit people regardless. not reaching out and helping people in fear they might still not join is disgusting levels of defeatism.

This. The Black Panthers community service programs are what gave them incredible support in poor comunities. Even if you don't totally buy into socialism you aren't going to fuck over the guys giving your kid a free breakfast.

It doesn't replicate/reinforce capitalism any more than labor unions do. It's a valid way to get in contact with the working class and learn about the conditions in your area.

please fucking stop you guys. please fucking stop.

The most charity does in the United States for somebody is a free meal at a church, and MAYBE a chance at a free blanket, or clothes. None of the supposed billions of dollars that the wealthy give to charities “out of the kindness of their heart”, ever really end up reaching you when your living on the street. In fact the only actual money/assistance you’re given is provided by the state, not some private entity. So charity is just another tax write-off exploit for rich asshole to claim that “they give to the needy”.

Doing good for its own sake is bourgeois. The only revolutionary activity is posting. ☭TANKIE☭ logic

This is stupid as fuck.

We are not social darwinists. We are socialists. We must help the poor and the workers as much as we can, by any means necessary.

Charity is little more than a virtue signaling.


Speak for yourself. As a social darwinist I think it's ridiculous for capitalist nobility to exist. Under communism where everybody has the same right to life only the genes you possess will matter for natural selection rather than the circumstances of your birth. Communism is the social darwinist's ideal society where your genetic material is put to the real test.


Of course, what a fool I was.

How does giving people shit they need and telling them it's because capitalism screwed them reproduce capitalism?

Evolution is a lie straight from the pit of hell. Look to Jesus instead.

if god wanted us to do communism he would have given jesus a stalin mustache checkmate leftists

There is a point to be made, and that others have made. Charity does act to prop up capitalism as it is. Many of the wealthy even point to charity as a reason to gut social programs.

On the other hand, it does concretely help people. And, as someone pointed out earlier in the thread, it can be used politically.

I also think using charity for our own political purposes would be the best of all options, but, if not, doing nothing is better. One should never commit to doing "charity" carte blanche, as it can be counterproductive.

charity, giving something (be it your time or money) away as you see fit, is inherently capitalist, under communism those things are not yours to give away but the collectives

If you don't want a communist revolution because you care about peoples' well being, why do you want one? So you can play dress up?

I want to forcibly impregnate Christchan without marriage or consent and then show her how the child evolved from our genetic material.


Dude that's rape.

Is rape actually against the rules of the bible though? I thought women were treated like second class citizens in there.

Everyone has their fetish.

Old Testament forces the rapist to marry the victim and provide for her for the rest of her life and forbids him to divorce her if the victim is not engaged. It calls for the death penalty for the rapist if the victim was engaged.

New Testament castigates it under a blanket term as sexual immorality.

Jesus, imagine getting raped and then being forced to marry your rapist.

something something material conditions

It was done for the protection of the woman actually. Women couldn't own property, couldn't get a job, and had no legal protection if they had no father, husband, or son. Only options left would be slavery or prostitution. This was the only way women could be protected.

After Ammon rapes Tamar in the Bible she surmises as much and begs him to marry her but he refuses.

2 Samuel 13:15-19

15 Then Amnon hated her with intense hatred. In fact, he hated her more than he had loved her. Amnon said to her, “Get up and get out!”
16 “No!” she said to him. “Sending me away would be a greater wrong than what you have already done to me.”
But he refused to listen to her. 17 He called his personal servant and said, “Get this woman out of my sight and bolt the door after her.” 18 So his servant put her out and bolted the door after her. She was wearing an ornate[a] robe, for this was the kind of garment the virgin daughters of the king wore. 19 Tamar put ashes on her head and tore the ornate robe she was wearing. She put her hands on her head and went away, weeping aloud as she went.

You got to hand it to the guys who wrote the Bible they knew how to dream up some sick and I humans punishments


Exactly! Unions stop revolution just as charity, youre correct. Gramsci pointed out that civil society arose to prevent revolution. This includes the churches and charities. (They are also connect to porky by a thousand threads ;) but that is another topic)

You dont bring about revolution, contradictions between mode and control of production make it inevitable.

I would consider black panthers as dual power, not exactly charity. Also it was defeated.

Lol the bible has poisoned the proletariat with ideology for so long now, when will it end?

Intrinsically? No. But liberalism always includes it, as part of its delusion-cum-lie that a bourgeois State is the ideal one and just needs fine-tuning.