Hooman Nature

I agree that justifying the continuing existence of capitalism with "human nature" is a dumb argument. But doesn't denying the very existence of human nature going too far? Doesn't this premise incentivize would-be social engineers to try and "reshape" humanity to their liking?

I mean, there are certain things that are undoubtedly part of our experience as human beings regardless of historical context. There are of course purely physiological needs like food, water, clean air, shelter, healthcare and so forth. But then we also crave social interactions — solitary confinement is known to basically fuck up your brain. And we also seek meaning, self-accomplishment and validation — lest we kill ourselves or become school shooters.

What do you think?

I love Planet of the Apes.

But I don't deny the existence of human nature user. I dismiss the handwavy "human nature" of people who think capitalism is eternal because of our innate biology, and "communism can't work because human nature is selfish" as if that is an actual argument. Of course there is a human nature. Humans are by nature eucariots, vertebrates, mammals, primates. Humans are by nature social creature. Non-social humans represent a pathological state of some kind. Humans by nature require food, oxygen and water etc etc.

Communism does not deny it at all. In fact, it relies on a notion that human nature exists, because if it did not, you wouldn't be able to make a claim that communism is natural and final stage of development of society.

Communism is neither "natural" nor the "final stage" of anything.

Saying [Insert any ideology] is "human nature" is nothing but pure ideology.

Of course there is a human nature, as material beings humans have a "nature" just like any other organism that exists in nature; what are those "animal spirits" Marx mentions so often in Capital if not another phrase for human nature?

We shall see about that. Seeing that literally billions of people find it appealing, it clearly has some connection with the human nature on some level at least - and has very good chances to actually become the final stage of everything.

So do capitalism or nationalism, that doesn't make them "natural" in the least

No, it doesn't. What makes you believe history will suddenly stop unfolding once we reach communism? This is just Fukuyama-tier nonsense with a red coat.

Well it does have the possibility of being the end, just like capitalism, but this has more to do with the fact that we are getting to close to our extinction rather than them being the end of history in a social sense.