Soc dem?

So well all hate soc dems and capitalism. Fine. How do we reconcile the fact Marx says capitalism modernizes and develops society. And, in a modern society socialism and communism is kind of a joke. I mean Marxist theory is mostly based on the means of production are out of the proles reach due to their price tag. Thus isn't soc dem the future because with at least some controlled capitalism the MOP like computes and automated factories can be seized. Throw me a bone. Explain to me why social democracy isnt the socialism of today and the digital age?

Capitalism has diminishing returns and all that progress is made with the blood, swat and tears of the workers.
Nigga what.
The rich can't be asked out of power

Socdems depend on imperialism and monopolies. Imperialism is parasitic on the 3rd world, slowing development there. Imperialism also leads to decay and stagnation in the 1st world because all the competition has been stamped out. Socdems just create a labor aristocracy and then try to placate the rest.

no, stop trying to speak for us, and fuck you

you illiterate chode

I hate burgers like you.

I think you kind of answered your own question. Marx did believe that capitalism brought production to levels that would not have been possible without it, but his point was that capitalism was just one phase in the history of humanity. He believed that it was a necessary phase that the world had to go through to bring about the conditions for communism in that it brought about a society of excess/surplus. And that's precisely why capitalism is no longer necessary. We have come to a point where we are producing enough to provide for everyone, but there are still so many without, and this is part of the tension between classes that gives way to the revolution.
Pretty much what said. Modern capitalism is thoroughly "democracy-proof."

You got me there. I haven't read enough theory to refute that or anything so I really don't know what to say.

Sorry. I'm not sure where you gathered I claimed anyone should be "asked" out of power.

capitalism does what's profitable. the current political economic model is neoliberalism. that doesn't develop society, it cannibalises it. what develops society is the political will to develop society.

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