They seem to have no ideology whatsoever, even less than the autistic right. They seem to have a burning hatred for Christianity (at least at my uni, it's regarded as opressive) Yet they seem to have no problem with other religions, like Islam or Judaism.
They do seem to value the freedom to vote, but do not have to time to research the values of the parties they vote for. Let alone actually reading economic or social theory.
They enjoy being heard, but do not have the time to do some research and form a cohesive argument.
They do not give 2 shits about class, only supporting less fortunates when it allows them to gain the moral high ground, while completely ignoring it in other instances.
Are they just useful idiots? Are they incapable of thinking for themselves, content to eat up and spew out what the capitalistic media is (force) feeding them?
They complete the idpol yin-yang structure with their right wing counter-parts. It’s kinda like the movie “They Live”, you’re surrounded by people who appear human, but more or less are soulless NPCs just playing for “their team”.
They are disgusting drones who do nothing but what "feels good" to them. Even if what "feels good" inadvertently hurts third world countries or something similarly as destructive.
They are capable of thinking for themselves, but they consciously choose not to. Read Sartre
liberals are the vanguard of capitalism, their promotion of civil rights serves to extent and validate the dictatorship of the bourgeois and their fight for idpol serves the expansion of capitalism creating new consumer markets. Liberals love moral and cultural relativism because they think we live at the end of history and thinking that intellectual progress is still left to do in our world contradicts that. Adapting an already existing product to a non western culture is more profitable than making that culture progress.
Liberal democracy gave you the ability to use the internet in the form it’s in today. Stop being so intimidated by change, homophobe…
It's not that they have no ideology, it's that their ideology is completely devoid of any real political content. Their burning hatred of Christianity is paradoxical since they're pretty much an embodiment of Christian morality. Christians tend to value poverty and meekness and liberals are their mirror image so they value poverty and gaudyness. It's the same shit with a different aesthetic.
Ironically the moralism coming from the left about "progress" is the exact same moralism we see coming from the right, except with the logic inverted. You should feel bad for making this post, user.
They're basically a consequence of a lack of real understanding but a desire to 'do something' about the bad things. Yet, they also have an unhealthy feeling that 'everything will ultimately be alright in the end, as long as the bad people stop, the system isn't flawed'.
Honestly I still like them far more than conservatives because at least they do have good intentions broadly speaking.
Suit yourself but it's good shit fam Also pretty sure the hatred of Christianity is just a reaction to Christian neoconservatism as well as idpol bullshit, there probably isn't anything deeper to it than that. The edgy liberal atheist meme kinda died a few years ago didn't it
This one aspect I'd say ye'r really off on - I think your other points are perfectly valid, but a lot of liberals are Christians. And the antagonism towards Christians among some isn't really a mystery - the average American, especially in the south, is more likely to encounter vicious hypocritical Christians than Muslims who bear the same characteristics - such Muslims also don't hold major political power here. Growing up in the south during the Bush era and being non-Christian, I can attest that the people giving me the most shit about it (and giving Muslims and Jews shit about it) were Christians. The most a Jew or Muslim ever imposed on me during that time was asking that I pronounce their religion correctly.
Afaik, most liberals dislike religious zealotry in general but focus on opposing the kinds that are actually affecting them. And there are guys like Maher who are very clear about their views of religions besides Christianity. I dunno. It's been a while since I was on that scene, though - maybe "Muzzie love" or whatever is more than a strawman, now.
I do agree with you to a certain extent, but as
pointed out, they seem to mostly do what feels good or whats accepted. Take their support for homosexuality for instance, or their hatred for sexual purity.
I'm not from the US, let alone the south. As such, Christianity is not encountered here all that often. So while I am able to understand why libs in the US might be against Christianity, I'm talking about people who've never actually been face to face with a Christian.
I think in part it comes down to a sort of status quo scientism. When you look at the scientific method, you see that over time we figure our shit out. Bad ideas get discarded and good ones get integrated. So for thinking liberals, they see that history progressed linearly from slave states to feudalism to industrial capitalism to social democracy to neoliberalism, and they think a similar process is going on, with the bad ideas being discarded and good ones kept. So building on this is the sort of perverse idea that the world isn't actually that bad right now. Yeah sure, we have insecure employment but we also have iPhones! We had to trade one for the other.
That's sort of for the semi-thinking ones (like le rational skeptics who'll go after communists and nazis and even "socialists" [socdem-lite] on the basis that they see barely thought out parallels with belief in god or whatever.), obviously for plenty of others it comes down to the more insufferable trend, the sort of person who says "i don't care about politics" while taking extremely political views in consequence. ("Yeah man the boss was ripping us off, but why'd you have to be political and go after him?")
SEMI-REACTIONARY THOUGHT WARNING Maybe the liberal-democratic system is in itself unsuited to the general behavioural trends of people. When you consider the case of China, for example, political dissent has largely been muted by the provision of greater material wealth. For all our time in the west, we've believed our democratic system is what was so key to making people happy - but what if instead it was our tendency to be wealthy, and that if democracy was now removed here nobody would care so long as material goods kept flowing? In consequence, even with the democratic system most people "don't know how to use it." with the resulting terrible policy shifts, creating of a ruling ideological oligarchy, and so on and so fourth.
zizek get out
You didn't add anything to this conversation. Namedropping a guy you don't understand isn't funny or insightful. Stop posting anytime
Liberals are hipster conservatives, so they are in favour of things that conservatives hate, like immigrants and Islam, and hate things conservatives like.
you mean like bad faith? I don't know if its mauvause foi or if they're just really fucking dumb. i support the latter.
All religions are oppressive.
This is 99% of people.
Social conservatism sucks and god is not real, atleast your idea of it.
That’s called pure ideology
The Conservative Question I fail to understand them. They seem to have no ideology whatsoever, even less than the autistic left. They seem to have a burning hatred for Diversity (at least at my country club, it's regarded as degenerate) So they seem to have a problem with other religions, like Islam or Judaism. They do seem to value the freedom to vote, but do not have to time to research the values of the parties they vote for. Let alone actually reading economic or social theory. They enjoy being heard, but do not have the time to do some research and form a cohesive argument. They do not give 2 shits about class, only supporting most fortunates when it allows them to gain the golf high ground, while completely ignoring it in other instances. Are they just useful idiots? Are they incapable of thinking for themselves, content to eat up and spew out what the capitalistic media is (force) feeding them?