Why are the working classes not getting on board with the leftist message...

Why are the working classes not getting on board with the leftist message? Surely it is in their best interests to do so, so why don't they respond well to socialism?

ALSO, why is revolution taking SO LONG to come?

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The way this is written is pretty suspect user…

How about you stop being paranoid and answer the question?

Either this question was asked in good faith, or it was not. Either way the sensible response is to properly answer the question, if only so others won't think the points cannot be rebutted.

Capitalist propaganda, red scarce, banning of communist parties in Central-Eastern Europe to name few.
Ironically the process is slowwed because of all the benefits social democrats and socialists in general won for us. Had there been no pensions, work insurence, free leave etc. revolution would happen quicker.
It is also worth nothing that capitalism in the West works "well", in the sense that it accumulated enormous wealth and also, through social reforms, made working class better off (in comparsion with xix century workers). This comes with huge explotation of third world countries, which they use as a source of cheap labour, and also so called "free trade" agreements that favour the West. Scandinavia also doesn't help much- even though some uneducated burgers call it "socialism", you won't find much of it there. Scandinavia effectely mixed free market capitalism with unions empowerment (Denmark is said to have most infulention labor unions in the world) and social democratic internal policy, favouring welfare state.

-Working class people in First World countries are kept complacent through the loot and pillage of the Global South.

-Working class people in Global South countries are already on board with the leftist message, otherwise this kind of repression (see pic) would be unnecessary

-Revolution is taking a long time because capitalists are smart and spend a lot of time thinking about how to maintain their hold on power.

It's simple, we're fighting a seemingly losing battle against elites who are in control of swathes of wealth, can fund not only think tanks and the like, but the government itself for policies that lean in their favour all around the world. Money is power, there's no way around it.
The working class is easily placated with commodities and what little that trickles down, citing their new "wealth" as the general improvement of the system itself; blind to the massive exploitation that they themselves experience, but even more blind to the even MORE massive exploitation of third-world countries from companies usually based from first world.
Basically it sums up to rich people have money, therefore they have power. Because they have power and a sense of capitalist economics (as how else would they be able to gain or retain their wealth) compared to the working class who is constantly troubled by the effects of the economic policies and not having a sense of the policies itself, they will stay in their position of power.
I'm still convinced that our placation will inhibit any revolution whatsoever, it would take a massive crash to wake people out of their sleep.

And they will go back to their sleep at the earliest opportunity, because direct democracy is too demanding, so any socialist state will revert to parliamentary democracy. Which will then succumb to rampant corruption and deep state machinations, and this will keep happening over and over until the elites, in a bid to hold onto their power, will reduce the world to nuclear ashes. Because getting wiped the fuck out is what humanity actually deserves.

kidding because sometimes I feel the same, but really what do we do then? not try whatsoever?

It’s a manner of communication, I reckon. Makhno, when theorising platformism, stated that the working class can’t be talked to as leftists, but as the working class. Some of these people won’t understand radical leftist theory and any mention of communism might either gain a ‘but muh USSR’ or ‘works well in theory’. Even if you screech “muh imperialist sources, THE USSR WUZ TOTALLY A WORKING FORM OF SOCIALISM SUPPORT THE DPRK OR DIE” like a tank-fag, OR ‘well Actually *insert obscure anarchist commune that lasted three years* achieved communism, they’d still be hesitant to draw from it, mostly due to the spectacle that’s been created around these forms of socialism. On top of that convincing workers who may have well paying jobs to rise up and kill their boss would take a while unless they have the time to read theories of mutual aid or alienation considering they’re still subjected to the latter.

So how do we communicate to the workers as workers? And what can we do to get them on our side. Well depending on where you are, you could probably make an effort to befriend them. I know not all of us have charisma levels that are god-tier, but it would make a good start. It’s a manner of packaging, and you trying to say “well Lenin was a great guy” while wielding the USSR flag, a symbol of state capitalism which eventually turned even more capitalist, and depending on where you live, A SYMBOL OF THE ENEMY DURING THE COLD WAR, they’ll Probably shriek like a MAGA cuck. Fighting for workers rights, organising strikes and protests, even if it means reform, might push workers in the right direction and with black and red flags waving they MIGHT be interested in learning about the people who care about them, who might not even work the jobs that you work.

I agree with this. Also, to expand, most working class americans are somewhat leftist already. They see liberal bourgeoisie and porky importing minorities for cheap labor, and blame it on democrats and socialism. When your average american sees black communities in the state of hell they are in now, they blame welfare policies and social security. You can only speak to them from a sympathetic perspective, and it doesn't even take a lot of effort on our part. True leftism doesn't believe in exploiting illegal immigrant mexican laborers to do jobs americans should be doing. True leftism doesn't believe SJW bourgeoisie should be allowed to live. Tell them this simple truth, and they will flock to our cause.

The thing you have to understand is that the people who are above the working class, in other words the "elite" are all about transcendence and living forever and the secrets of the universe and they want to know all this; some are good, some are bad, some are mixed. But, the good ones don’t ever want to organise, the bad instead are the ones that organise, because they lust after power.
Powerful consciences don’t want to dominate other people, they want to empower them, so they don’t tend to get together until things are really late in the game, then they come together. Evil is always defeated, because good is so much stronger. And, we’re on this planet and Einstein’s physics showed it, Maxwell’s physics showed it, all of it, that there is at least twelve dimensions, and now that’s why all the top scientist and billionaires are coming out saying it’s a false hologram, it is artificial.
The computers are scanning it and finding tensions points where it is artificially projected and gravity is bleeding in to this universe, that’s what they call dark matter.
So, we’re like a thought or a dream that’s like a wisp in some computer program, some god’s mind, whatever. They’re proving it all, it’s all coming out.
Now, there’s like this sub transmission zone below the third dimension that’s just turned over the most horrible things, which is what it resonates to, and it’s trying to get up into the third dimension, that’s just a basic level consciousness to launch into the next levels. And our species is already way up to the fifth, sixth dimension consciously, our best people. But there is this big war trying to like, basically destroy humanity, because humanity has free will, and there is a decision to which level we want to go to.
We have free will, so evils will have to contend, not just good. And the Elites themselves believe they’re racing, using human technology to try to take our best minds, and build some type of breakaway civilization where they’re going to merge with machines, transcend and break away from the failed species that is man, which is kind of like a false transmission because they’re thinking what they are as ugly and bad, projecting on to themselves instead of believing, no it’s a human test about building us up, and so, Google set up eighteen, nineteen years ago.
I knew about this before it was declassified, I’m just saying I have good sources. They want to build a giant artificial system, and Google believes the first artificial intelligence will be a supercomputer based on the neuron activities of the hive mind of humanity with billions of people wired into the internet exchange (holy shit), and so all of our thoughts go into it, and we’re actually building a computer that has real neurons in real time that’s also psychically connected to us, that are organic creatures so that they will have current prediction powers, future prediction powers, a true crystal ball. But the big secret is, once you have a crystal ball and know the future, you can add stimuli beforehand and make decisions that can control the future. And so then, it’s the end of consciousness and freewill for individuals as we know, and a true two-point-o, in a very bad way, hive mind consciousness with an A.I jacked into everyone, knowing our hopes and dreams, delivering it to us, not in some PKD wire head system, where we plug in and give up our consciousness because of unlimited pleasure, but because we were already wired in and absorbed before we knew it by giving over our consciousness to this system our daily decisions that it was able to manipulate and control into a larger system.
There’s now a human counterstrike taking place to shut this up before it gets fully into place and to block these systems, and to try and have an actual debate about where humanity goes, and cut off the paedophiles and psychic vampires that are controlling this A.I system before humanity is destroyed.
The paedophiles, at whatever level, they rule the devil, whatever you want to call, this interdimensional thing, which gives them advanced off world technology, the fallen one, that’s out of this world, is giving them advanced knowledge on how to construct these systems that have already been used before on other populations. That’s Satan.
Satan became something, that you know, the stupid preacher tells you about, who’s totally controlled or something you read about in the news or TV, but this is an interdimensional force that wants to influence us to build something that absorbs us and kills us, rather than the divine free will we are given to build something much better and empowers the species so the species is now making a decision about its entire future.
I know from looking at all the data, researching it, studying it, watching the enemy, that’s the big decision that humanity has now got before us.

I don't know what you're smoking but where can i have some?

Where are you getting this from?

Lingering cold war propaganda, SJWs, ☭TANKIE☭s, and a lack of sufficiently miserable conditions for enough people.

I'm pretty sure it's a copypasta from an alex jones rant

Because red idpolers are louder and are more out there then the leftists that are class focus, as well the right wing and the liberals have good propaganda machines and control of the media while we don't have much but a few youtubers.

Ever see a democratically elected leader toppled from power even though most of the population supported him just right about the time all these American weapons and equipment starts flooding into the country into the hands of his enemies? Imagine that but its the entire world and it has been for 200 years near enough

One thing to understand about propaganda is that it is not just about McCarthyism and people on FOX News telling us that communism has killed billions or whatever, but that most people see the way how work and the production & exchange of goods are organized in today's capitalism as natural and immutable, as it has been there forever.

When we learned about feudalism in history class as a kid, we just heard that a king ruled over everyone, taxed peasants and that we would probably have been among them, but we didn't fully realize that peasants didn't have a 9-5 job like us now. They worked as needed to take care of crops and cattle, and if there was nothing to do, they would just chill out.

Moreover, I don't think medieval peasants accumulated tokens carrying abstract value to invest them into something else other than tools and redemption to the clergy. They didn't save anything to buy real estate or start a business, because they already had real estate and some business to do from birth. Barter was the main way of exchanging things.

Most of us are trapped into Zizek's ideology and Debord's spectacle. We have a hard time realizing that the way our societies are organized is pretty recent and not "natural" at all, and even leftists can be guilty of this. It's becoming hard to assess how social relationships were before the two World Wars, it's hard to imagine a world without intellectual property and musicians playing mainly traditional music on public squares and so on.

first worlders literally living in the brave new world

with hormones in their food, constant entertainment pumped in their way
capitalists even pump nihilism(nothing matters,you are here by chance so just enjoy it stop trying to change the system) to first worlders

in third world they just supply weapons to terrorists,or create their own terrorist organizations. syrian war,toppling of saddam and gaddhafi for no reason are examples.

dumbass ZOG Occupied Government puppet ameritards still think over a dozen US military bases in Syria is doing a revolution lol. ba'ath was doing the revolution and thats why capitalist pigs took care of them. kurds are lapdogs of capitalist pigs

Is this an Alex Jones transcript?

this is so close to the truth

that is an excellent question really. i do not understand why they tend to prefer systems that wring them dry.

Most of it is because movements which once stood for the worker (looking at IWW) nowadays can't say a single nice thing about the working class without shitting on them in the following sentence in favor of idpol bullshit.

There is little to no class-based thought in many self-proclaimed 'far left' groups. They became opportunists who will defend capitalist hegemony as long as it benefits themselves.

Read Imperialism: The Highest Stage of Capitalism
tl;dr imperialism allows porky to bribe some first world proles, as well as the intellectuals who might start educating the rest, into complacency.


Global labour aristocuckracy.

A violent "Revolution" in the context of a democracy doesn't make sense.
>inb4 hguurhus duurrr not a real demoracy
Not gonna discuss semantics. The point is that you can already see who peole vote for, and they vote stablishment. They are not going to revolt against the people they vote for.

The day the masses stop sucking stablishment cock, you won't need a violent revolution. It will be a political revolution, yes, but not a violent one.
But you know that day won't come as long as the two party system is strong still. And even then, if the majority supported a leader, they could just elect him into office (inb4 autistic screeching). If the majority of people can't get another candidate into office, it means that there will be no concensus either to be unified under a leader for the revolution.

You'll never have a violent revolution that is supported by the majority of masses in a country where democratic elections are held. It's a catch 22.
I don't understand the meme that so many communist believe that revolutions should always be violent.

this is why we need vanguardism

Being fake democracy isn't a matter of semantics. You are never going to get an anti-capitalist candidate anywhere close to leadership with the way "democracy" works right now. All the candidates are screened before they even get into the primaries by the ruling class. Then you get to choose from only those candidates chosen for you.

Because it's full of college school retards like you

You have to go back.

we don't want to be considered equal to the baboon people

capitalism is white supremacy and we wish to remain supreme

eat shit monkey men

Really now? Le happy merchant is white now? Damn nazis really have changed over the years.

not him but the merchant is the face of 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧demsoc🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧

wew funny funny I get it

I think you don't need to be waving USSR, Stalin, Mao whatever else around, there is other more recent stuff you can talk about first if you must, but if you're claiming revolutionary socialism and all that, no point running away from it, not everyone's as spooked as you think about it, especially if you have a more nuanced stance then any of your ☭TANKIE☭ strawmen
if you accept it on some level it's easier to respond to the "wasn't REAL socialism hmmmmm" idiots

Was responding to

If you think we shouldn't go there based firstly on people's current general perceptions about socialism or USSR china specifically, where does that leave anarchism?
Lots people think of anarchy as a nightmare, which they associate with that anarchy A in your pic, and would probably rather live USSR if they had to choose

Why not?

Because they've had over a century of being conditioned against it, they've been taught that they must defend capitalism or lose what little they already have.

theyve been subverted pretty hard, not that they werent in the first place. i feel bad about it, that many less people searching for the truth.

How about you stop treating communism like a self-evident religion, you fucking dud?

Try holding off on the "Open borders now! Coops and unions are reactionary! Smash oppressive nuclear families! Your history and culture is a spook!" and actually try appealing to them with ltv

Oh wait

It's actually a psyop by people trying to make Holla Forums look worse than it usually does on other boards.