yes, but you understand that people immigrating out of countries are not going to help the people still caught in the shit countries? The ones who can leave are the rich people who can afford it or have the credit to take loans. This leads to brain drain and people who can actually help rebuild the countries to leave. Naturally, this is exactly what Porky wants since a steady stream of immigrants is good for him, but not for the working class.
Uncontrolled immigration and immigration for economic reasons will inevitabely lead to the countries that are in the shitter to stay in the shitter. If you want to help alleviate the poverty in these countriea you have to actually help the countries, not import the entire third world into Europe.
Mason Richardson
capitalists use immigration and foreign labor as a means of keeping wages low and working people disorganized. choke on a dick, OP.
Austin Williams
Those aren't even similar. Those are very, very unskilled jobs that do not require any permanency, unlike almost all other jobs. INB4 no one is employed except for seasonal laborers and entire continents go dormant for months at a time.
David Sanders
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Chase Brown
Only jews don't like borders and nations (except for Israel of course). Be gone jew.
Do you know why this happened? Because they built a massive new superfactory in Hyderabad, India, retard. Porky doesn't need you, they don't need your stupid country, and they don't need to bring workers to it because they can always build someplace cheaper. Which is why
The only answer is and always has been international solidarity and the overthrow of the system of global capital.
Sweet christ you bordercuck brainlets just can't get a fucking clue. It doesn't have to be instantaneous you dumb fucking retard, but it does have to happen, because the consequences of not building the international network of solidarity and support necessary to do so means we all get eaten up piecemeal by our own national Porky controlled governments.
But no yeah you're right we should just squabble over a vanishingly scarce slice of pie because hurr does bad bad browns.
It isn't just "hey let them in and then that's it" you dumb fucking asshole. International solidarity means moving past the obsolete concept of national borders. You bring the people that leave to the places that can support them while fixing the places that they left you incompetent dipshit. Iraq is a radioactive shithole thanks to decades of American interference. You're not doing them any favors by ringing the country with guards and saying "tough shit, fix your own fucking country", you petty dipshit.
All you'd accomplish by doing so is increasing the difficulties that this country with already limited resources has to deal with. Instead of removing what portion of the population you can from the most severely effected areas you're not just condemning millions to radioactive exposure and all the subsequent ills, but retarding the overall process that would make removing them unnecessary in the first place. It's stupid. It's inefficient. It's unjustifiably malicious.
But yeah no sorry kids you've got to just suck it up and deal with leukemia because this fucking asshole wants to support porky and keep his precious job.
Ryder Campbell
Capitalists use wages to keep wages low, you brain dead simpleton. It doesn't matter if they import 10 immigrants or 10 million because you're already in direct competition with every other person in your stupid country. Jesus christ use your brain for a single fucking second.
>border supporter calling others liberals Kill yourself, class cuck.
Cooper Flores
the reason we have this thread constantly is that there's a bunch of people here that caught wind of this and use it to promote their dumbass totally-not-nationalism-guys-i'm-just concerned-bout-them-workers. So naturally people like op just want them to fuck off.
anti immigration measures are the proverbial band aid on the cancer patient. these people are willing to cross deserts on foot and sail on tiny boats across the mediterranean sea in the winter but retards here believe that if you pass a bill or build some wall they're magically going to stop coming. it's no different from people believing reforms can solve the contradictions of capitalism.
furthermore, it's not like keeping the immigrants out actually translates into better conditions for national workers. italy signed a deal with lybia to have literal lagers in there for people trying to emigrate and we're still knee deep in shit, almost 30% youth unemployment and workplaces swarming with immigrants. I was in a warehouse for a "course" (read: unpaid labor with a vague suggestion that they might call you to work later on) last week and 90% of workers there were arabs, with the rest being romanians, albanians and then the odd italian here and there. it's like half of the immigrants in my city were working there, and they weren't fresh off the boat either.
these people work in precarious conditions just like us but the difference is that they still have the guts to fight back. there was a strike last year where one of them died because the manager told a truck driver to run over the picket line. Most of the people there were arabs.
Meanwhile we're here crying that people like to listen to pied pipers because it's easier to have a scapegoat than to stop a minute and think about who's really to blame if your son can't find a job. The problem is already here and you can't make it go away, no matter how hard you hate immigration. It's time to stop bitching and deal with it.
Dylan Jones
yes, because thats totally going to happen right guys? The West is going to build the countries up to be strong and independent :DD no, it means supporting socialism worldwide and the struggles of workera around the world, and you can believe in this without wanting to import cheap labour for Porky. neither am i doing the country of Iraq any favours by taking away all of it working age population, who can do something to ameliorate the situation, and plopping them in Europe. Or do you the daddy America is going to do it for you? Europe cannot support the amount of migrants it is currently recieving, and no amount of wishing on your end can change this. how is removing workers from a country going to help it grow? africa and the middle east are the most resource rich areas on earth? I dont think you actually read my entire post did you? The best way for the poor kids in these regions to get better is to build the countries up, and to do that you cant remove everyone who's capable to do this from the country. if immigration is what Porky wants, how is me being anti-cheap labour importation supporting the bourgeoisie in any way? you need to work on keeping your feelings out of the argument, thanks
Ayden Reyes
It always amuses me the way these "no borders" fools pull out the example of a single company relocating its facility to engage in arbitrage over the differing level of wages across the global and presents it as reflective of the entire economy. No shit that the global location of a chemical factory that can be staffed by trained chimps is largely unimportant. Demonstrate that this model applies to tertiary sector industries or even of manufacturing. Furthermore, if your vision of a communist revolution demands a large swathe of your supporters volunteer for hunger, ill-health and exposure you might just have sabotaged your own chances of success.
