Is leftypol the only non-idpol leftist space left?

Instead of railing against idpol why not just implement a white leftist space instead? It will be closest thing to what you want. POC will never give up the entitlement, to get anything done you need to filter that shit out.

the primmie so retarded even primmies hate him? no thanks

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maybe the MTWs are right

White people are the biggest idpolers out there though.

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Pretty much. There are some individualist anarchists and egoist anarchists on tumblr.

I don't think that is accurate, the vast majority of the cases of black people being shot by the police which BLM rallied around were pretty egregious cases of police misconduct and not in any way justifiable. Like where I'm from there was a black kid running around naked (probably high on something), he ran towards the cop and was shot dead. How could he be armed or pose a threat if he's naked? That is fucked up no matter how you put it and if you disagree the problem is probably with you, not with BLM.

I wholeheartedly supported BLM (and marched with them several times) up until like a year ago. They definitely have bought in to liberal idpol, or at least major segments of their leadership has. They lack an anti-capitalist critique. Their narrative is problematic that ONLY black people get shot by the police, which is not true (50% white and 25% other races according to Washington Post study), and I think sticking to this narrative is pointlessly divisive when police brutality should be a unifying issue. I don't know if they're rallying around the shooting of Daniel Shaver but it wouldn't surprise me if they didn't emphasize it much because he's white - they certainly have ignored other cases of white or brown people being shot by police cause it didn't fit their narrative.

Agreed that BLM at least got people talking about it but at the end of the day they're running up against the fact that a significant portion of the population does not give a shit about police brutality towards blacks or anyone else, and will "back the blue" no matter what even when you have clear video evidence of murder (as in the Daniel Shaver case). Between conservative fucks on one side and liberal idpol fucks on the other side, I agree that America truly is fucked. Overall the conservative fucks are more of a problem, being reactionary, but the liberal idpol is pouring fuel on the fire. And like I was saying in the OP, leftist spaces are increasingly infected by this liberal idpol (do they even count as leftist anymore if they become too infected?). So yeah, things are looking pretty shitty in the states. We need to re-build leftism from the ground up but I'm afraid this idpol thing will have to run its course and I don't know how long that will take.

Capitalists have no rights.

This, and its also like the total political incarnation of how liberal capitalist society functions on spectacle. Like basically the vast majority of these liberal idpolers aren't interested in this stuff for substantial political reasons like someone in the unionist movement might be - IE building sincere inclusive solidarity and power. They engage with this stuff i think because its like the political equivalent of how most people engage with the news, its hyper-moralist and hyper-intensified and the way it functions is by appealing to the core immovable values and emotions that people have. So sort of how the news allows people (regardless of political orientation) to look at X and Y happening, and then feel bad or good about it to the extreme (look at how the media covers donald trump for example, or how conservative media portrays obama), idpol liberalism functions in the same way. Its a surface level engagement that is self-justifying because it appeals to emotions and your pure empathy without asking much else of you. Its an easy engagement - "how can be wrong when racism and sexism are so clearly unjust?" With the rise of social media I think this has become even more inflated and outrage culture is just being fueled and fueled on most sides of the political spectrum pandering to purer and purer moralism which produces nothing ultimately. The pure moralism of it is why things like occupy and BLM don't really achieve anything, because moralism triumphs over praxis and substantial understanding of what is happening aside from the moral aspect, and then it achieves nothing. And then like you said it also leads to people taking advantage of the situation to inflate their own ego's and then disregard criticism based on buzzwords and appeal to identity moralism.

I have tried having discussions with these people about class and stuff and they sincerely don't get it. It's one thing to disagree with my views or whatever but like I criticized somebody for hailing Hillary Clinton and Nancy Pelosi as strong women online and after explaining my views (basically we shouldn't support them just because they're a woman when they don't even support healthcare are raising wages, etc. or hillary silencing bills rape accusers, all things that affect women disproportionately) their first reaction was telling me to take my "political arguments" somewhere else since I'm a white man and women's issues don't concern the politics of a white man and that politics weren't welcome in the space of womens issues. Likewise I had an argument with a girl I know who is "politically active" and constantly sharing her opinions online, after she complained that amazon selling healing crystals is cultural appropriation of witchcraft, which is also a term invented by racist white male anthropologists (i swear to god im not making this up). I basically got her down to admitting that someone buying a healing crystal has no substantial material effect on anybody, and that witchcraft is psuedoscientific and is unjustified so why should anyone bother wasting their time on this issue. So she literally admitted "it doesn't affect anybody at all and has zero material impact on the lives of anybody" in those words, but then said that she wouldn't drop it because we need to respect people's FEELINGS about it. I go to an insanely liberal university in montreal thats stereotyped as having an insane amount of idpol art students and stuff and so I have had a lot of interactions with these people and I've come to realize that its not worth engaging with anymore outside of a leveled discussion in an academic situation that specifically calls for discussion about it (e.g. me and other philosophy students get together and discuss marxism sometimes). they pretty much cannot be reasoned with. Like i said above a bunch of times its pure emotional moralism and sees itself as self-justifying, you can't bother having a discussion about it unless they sincerely want to know about your own views in the proper circumstances. These people will grow up and eventually lose their importance in the political sphere, and become disengaged from politics in any real way much like the hippies of the 60's did, because they don't actually have principles that guide them that they are committed to. Its a surface level engagement with politics that wont last, its alienating to people because of how exclusionary and aggressive the language and strategy is, it fails to accomplish anything, and it will therefore cannibalize itself into obscurity at some point.