Yeah, no, fuck any system like that. Besides, there is no reason for 8h workdays and 5 days week given unemployment either way with the current system.
Automation yo. Most jobs are pretty useless too and can be easy replaced by robots, so people will do only the work they choose for as long as they choose.
When I manage to get out of jobs, I work on my personal project 12-16h a day, every day and love every second of it. I doubt most people would want to do nothing for long. Just it should be voluntary.
We kinda are. Not everything but about 50% of low skilled jobs could be replaced by robots at this point, it's just cheaper to use wage slaves. For the unskilled work left, much shorter workdays and work weeks would be a start. Also "shitty jobs" are pretty vague, some people love doing the shit you hate to do and with lesser time wasted on it and more valuation by society (people who do important but low paid job are treated like shit) it won't be an issue.
Michael Hughes
The funny thing that even when thinking about pure profit, improving working condition and making sure work is truly voluntary would be a benefit. Demotivated workers cost money.
Juan Gonzalez
That's why the UBI is for.
Kevin Green
Okay but there are still jobs that will be required to be done which would continue without profit. Like driving a bus for people, picking crops to feed the masses, etc. Those jobs require people to show up for hours and do them. Even if you don't depend on them for a livelihood. And people itt are complaining about the act of working rather than exploitation.
Jace Cruz
So what you're saying is that the entire theory of socialism was entirely worthless and completely incapable of being implemented until the last 10 years?
John Myers
Depending on what you want to achieve. One could've still improve the work times and conditions and ensure that people wouldn't be so disconnected from their jobs. It'd be an improvement on what we have now, just not as massive as it's possible these days. Capitalism is a decent driver for innovation after all.
Parker Perez
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Ryan Davis
Depends on the implementation, but it would have to end. If it wasn't used to transition effectively, it would just take us back to a class society because some people would figure out how to game the market and eventually start hoarding resources. That's probably close to how we transitioned from primitive communism to early class societies. There was originally just people producing for the community, but then someone leveraged the system. Markets imply private ownership. If it's possible to accrue more wealth than others, it's a matter of time before someone hatches a plan to get rich and then starts buying MoP. Remember that in straight competition within a market that a capitalist company has a huge advantage over a "socialist" company. Specifically, a socialist company is bound to the interests of its workers in that context while a capitalist company can sacrifice anything for the sake of profit i.e. growth i.e. market share.
in market "socialism" you would only do work if there's someone who will pay you for it In a market you need to have money to make money Except giving everyone X money will do zero to change an unequal distribution of money.
Sebastian Jackson
In market socialism every worker is a shareholder.
