It's boot licking. Anytime someone makes that argument I just like to remind them I come from an actual family of capitalists and gladly explain how it works. If my father makes a bad business decision it's not him getting the boot. It's first and foremost his employees that will be getting fired or see their wages reduced. And when that happens, my dad continues to retain full ownership over the enterprise. Who's taking the risk here?
Capitalists don't take risks. Workers do. At most capitalists are outsourcing the risk while keeping the profits privatized. Saying capitalists take risks is like arguing you're taking a risk when you gamble with other people's money. Case in point: The previous financial crisis. The problem with long arguments like is that most people will not bother to read or understand it. They will just point their finger and call you lazy and tell you're not working hard enough. An effective way to break through this, is by presenting them with a personal anecdote that reminds them of how much a bunch of cucked servile boot-licking lemmings they truly are. If you can't reason with them, shame them. That tends to knock people out of their cognitive dissonance.
It's actually for this reason I just suggest for everyone to just become a capitalist, if only to be able to stave off these garbage-tier arguments (And present a good dose of reverse psychology). If you don't have a stake in the game, it's doubtful people will listen to you or consider your arguments.
Wyatt Hill
Then feel free to repost those arguments at any time.
Jayden Morris
The CEO of the company I work for gets a million and a half dollars per year, but just for signing on he got six million dollars in stock options that roll out a million per year regardless of how well the company is doing. If the store I work at beats sales expectations then I might see a $60 bonus, or 1% of the total over the projection that we make. If the company beats the annual projection by even a fraction of a percent, he gets a 200% bonus.
Despite the company making nearly ten billion dollars in profit last year, I got only a twenty cent raise.
This is all completely fair and if I just worked harder I'd be able to make up the difference.
Caleb Bell
literally tell them to read Adam Smith.
Juan James
It's a lot of effort for zero benefit (I don't have copies). On-line argument is ultimately about convincing the audience. I've already 'won' without playing because this is already a leftist board.
Of course, the thread is about wanting arguments to use elsewhere, but like I said they aren't useful. Rambling on about the disparate value of steel bars or the broken window fallacy in a demand constrained economy only makes sense if you've already read the libertarian work.
Zachary Bell
wow you sure showed me
Charles Gomez
this board is fantastic
Jeremiah Thompson
throw stupid and ignorant phrases like "durrr the worker is at risk of starving and getting sick and other over dramatic shit that equally applies to you therefore everything belongs to me" "durrr you have the choice to give me nothing when I don't offer you anything in return, see I take all the risk here, you are just exploiting me" "durr your labour is not real labour" Then when they ask to explain what the fuck you are saying throw book titles from the sticky at them (not necessary to read them) and ignore them and come back to leftypol where we will just delete comments we can't counter or don't like
Joseph Sanders
If this post is anything to go by you're to blame for your own ass anguish.
Logan Peterson
Where do you live that workers can only be fired under such a condition? So if there is an equal risk, as you say there is here, then why don't you support sharing the profit equally? You never explained how the worker isn't being exploited. Ownership is not labor, and shucking and jiving to line your own pockets even more is a task rendered completely superfluous by the abolition of the market.
