Is esperanto kommunism?

Esperanto is kinda useless, it'll never catch on because English is so widely used. Just learn a people actually speak.

Esperanto is objectively based on Spanish and French.

ecelaspanish.com/how-esperanto-can-help-you-learn-spanish/

Esperanto enthusiasts only aggressively deny this extremely obvious fact because it would render this mumbo-jumbo language meaningless compared to languages that are actually spoken by hundreds of millions of people. "Esperanto" is a Spanish word, for fuck's sake.

Esperanto's vocabulary is based one French, Spanish, English, Italian, Greek, German, Yiddish, Polish, Russian, and Latin. Most of its vocabulary is likely French or Latin. Any semblance to Spanish is because it is written in similar orthography to Spanish, because it has some Spanish words, and because it is primarily a romance language. It's grammar is entirely unique.
What's that even mean?
No, it's not. It is a uniquely Esperanto word coming from the noun "espero" which means hope (the noun, not the verb in the Iberian languages" and the suffix "-anto" means means "one who does".

Allow me to laugh
en.wiktionary.org/wiki/esperar#Spanish

Work on your reading comprehension. Esperanto is a word unique to Esperanto, because it's made from the root "esper-" (which comes from the French "espérer") and the suffix "-anto".

No it's the worst fucking idea a person could have.

Sure, because redirecting to Spanish somehow fundamentally changes the fact that you're redirecting away from English. One of the most retarded languages in existence, but still the new lingua franca due to your ancestor's conquests. Color me so fucking interested.

miss me with that colonial guilt, tumblr
who gives a fuck if english, spanish and french have been forcibly spread? It only makes global revolution easier.

I speak Spanish with my maid, so I think it's an excellent idea!

Esperanto maybe made sense in the early 20th century, where nationalist hatred was at its peak. Today we have mass media and the internet and access to such massive amounts of content and native speakers of major languages are but a click away, and a "neutral" IAL is just not really that compelling of a thing.

Esperanto is hopeless. Demographics my dudes.

Fucking esperantoshills can't even get their shit straight.

You mean exactly like Spanish esperando, from "esperar", and "-ando" but with le french t instead of d… because of latin roots because of muh roman imperialism…

another fucking esperantocuck thread

Who gives a shit what language the vocabulary is derived from? What matters is the grammar. What makes Esperanto good as an ancillary language is it's simple grammar and lack of rigid sentence structure, which makes it easy for a person to learn the rules of the language and allows them to construct sentences using their own language's sentence structure. Its Romance roots don't stop people in fucking Japan and China from learning the language (and they certainly don't have as easy a time learning English).

Is cuck just the new fag? Or what is this supposed to mean?

That people who learn other languages are cucks?

Japanese should be used as the prole language.

confirmed for not speaking any spanish
la palabra es esperanza,pinche pendejo,

An IAL makes even more sense now, since you're infinitely more likely to encounter someone who speaks a different language then you than if you were a regular guy in the 1800s. An IAL is useful even if there was little nationalism because people still need to speak to each other.
Esperando is a gerund, it is superficially similar and it is not an agent noun.

Really, what the fuck is up with people's visceral, irrational hatred to Esperanto? Nearly every single thread about it is full of shitposters trying to find fault in it and the concept of an IAL in general. It's not just people who think it might be a good idea but unlikely to happen, it's always people who have to prove it's bad. And of course, they always have to justify their anglophone monolingualism by saying English is already the world language so third worlders should just stop bitching and go learn their native language so they don't actually have to learn a second one.

Because it's an artifact of cringey 19th century eurocentric internationalism. There is no reason to use Esperanto when there are plenty of dead languages out there. Also why learn a language that only weird shut in academics use when you can learn a real language like Chinese or something? It makes no sense.

Not an argument. Internationalism is an integral part of Leftism and its Eurocentrism is only its vocabulary. If an IAL was created that gained as big of a following as Esperanto, was just as easy, and wasn't eurocentric, then I'd be all for it, but there's not.
???
Because Chinese is not a fucking IAL. It is not culturally neutral, it is not designed to be simple, logical, and easy it learn, it cannot function as an equal intermediary language. You argue against Esperanto without even knowing its fucking purpose.

No one wants to learn a language that only exists for social engineering purposes. If I learn Japanese I can read raw scans of my favorite doujins. If I learn Spanish I can get a qt brown gf. Tell me, what are benefits does learning Esperanto (other than LARPing)?

Eh, it's eurocentric and made by one person. I'd rather use a language made by experts worldwide.

Why are you even a Leftist if you are not willing to strive for higher ideals and just do things because it benefits you immediately? If Internationalism holds any meaning to you, then an IAL should also.

As for immediate practical aspects of Esperanto, there is the fact that it helps you learn other languages better and faster, there's a large Esperanto community, with many Leftists, and you can use pasporta servo to stay overnight for free while traveling.

And I'd rather use a universal translator.

I've found that esperanto isn't really either. On the surface, yeah, but once you get into the knitty gritty it's a fucking hellhole. The language really has taken on a life of its own, and its community is very set in its ways. There are massive amounts of vocabulary that isn't in dictionaries and even basic words that (like prepositions) don't have comprehensive lists for how they're used, just vague english equivalents. Hell most dictionaries don't even list integral parts of grammar, like verb transitivity. You have to get to a pretty decent level in the language and start posting on forums before you realize that every sentence you made has some fucking error in it that no one could possibly learn until you try talking to others. There is just such limited media out there to learn from, and a lot of it is considered outdated, even Zammenhoff's original works would be shunned by the current esperanto community if it was for the fact they were already written. I just don't have the patience to memorize thousands of vocab words in a vacuum and have nothing to show for it but a few slow internet forums where the only discussion is about the language itself. There is no esperanto "community", simply a few thousand individuals that are dogmatic about their fluency. I love the idea of esperanto and I've really fucking tried to get into it, but its execution and subsequent culture around it is garbage.

I have no idea what you're talking about. Even if that's true, it's likely because it's a compound word you should be able to figure out from its components.
I have literally never encountered this problem.
Verb transitivity is the only thing they could list, and also, I've never encountered that or felt like a verbs transitivity was unclear.
That's because the community is irl, not on the internet.

Japanese is a good language. Its grammar is very logical and it's easy to pronounce. The only downside is the need to learn kanji, but even that is just a trade-off between symbol->pronunciation mapping and symbol->meaning mapping. Japanese is certainly far superior as a written language.

If you want discussions that aren't slow, join a telegram chat. telegramo.org/

Basing a language's vocabulary on more language groups/isolates would only make it harder for everyone.

Esperanto will take off when people start writing porn in it and not before. There's a reason Japanese is a popular language for people to learn.

writing porn? do you want the esperanto community to be composed of 50% female preteens?

I mean good porn. The kind of stuff you find in doujins, not tumblr blogs.

Just because you can read manga for highschoolers after doing 3 quarters of japanese at the local community college does not mean that it is "superior". Japanese has all sorts of issues with homophones which make it incredibly difficult to use as a foreigner.

Yes indeed, having to learn how to say a certain word half a dozen different ways to express a different level of politeness is completely logical.

Doesn't sound too bad honestly

:^)

Homophones aren't a problem for written language, but you're right it has problems as a spoken language. Learning pronunciations is hard. Basically it just needs to use slightly longer words to introduce more variety.

Why not just take an already existing language and create an "international" dialect for it instead? Seems like it would be way easier.

Esperantofags are some of the most autistic posters on imageboards, they have been posting these threads for a decade.

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Even though many people understand it without learning it, Interlingua isn't very popular.

Seriously though let's just all learn japanese.

Seems like the logical choice to me.

Is there any good, somewhat recent estimate of non-native Japanese speakers? There's no way that there are only 1 million.

Anything can work as a hammer at least once.

not to mention you'll be able to read pretty much any hentai

And you'll be able to read things that aren't hentai while fapping to them as if they were.

Seems about right honestly. Most people seem fine with just learning "enough" japanese. The language itself is pretty autistic and redundant. There is little point in becoming fully fluent in it.

Do Chinese and Korean exchange students in Japan use their native languages?

You don't need N1 to be considered a non-native/L2 speaker.

Yes. Indeed. You're infinitely more likely to encounter someone who speaks spanish than someone who speaks esperanto, or indeed, any other major language over esperanto. Like I said, demographics.

2,000,000 total esperanto speakers
527,900,000 total spanish speakers (80% native)
983,500,000 total english speakers (38% native)

Esperanto is just 0.38% of spanish and only 0.2% of english.

Do you really think that, say, in the course of 3 decades its more likely that almost a billion people will learn esperanto, faster than the growth of the spanish-speaking native population and simultaneous growth of non-native learners? Don't be daft.

Why don't you use this time to teach people that actually want to learn esperanto somewhere else, rather than shill here and waste everyone's time??

Now this is the first good idea I've ever seen in an esperanto thread. Indeed, esperanto could become a language exclusively used in porn, we should rename it pornolingua.

Sorry I don't like awful live action dramas and NTR-centric cellphone manhwa.

Those politeness levels come in very handy when writing kinky porn. If your language doesn't have a few different politeness levels, how is the sub going to get spanked for using the wrong one?

If I specifically want to talk to Spanish speakers, then I'll learn Spanish, but if I want to talk to Spanish speakers, and Francophones, and Russian speakers, and Sinophones and ad infinitum, and they all also want to speak to me, then the only logical, fair way of doing that is by everyone learning a common, neutral, easy to learn language, an IAL. Esperanto is currently the best contender.
And do you really think people learn Esperanto so they can specifically talk to people in Latin America? Don't be daft.
I don't, and it's at most weekly.
Almost none of the threads around here are. It is heavily related, and is closely related to internationalism.
How am I wasting their time when they deliberately come into these threads to shit talk and argue about it?
Congratulations, you're not a monoglot. Yet you're still a chauvinist for your own native language, same as the anti-Esperanto anglophones around here.

So why esperanto instead of a real language like Japanese? Seems kind of strange.

To be fair, it would be good if everyone could learn to speak a common artificial language which is designed to be easy to learn and encourage rational thinking. The problem is that until such a language takes off, there's little reason for any individual to learn it. It suffers from the same network effect problem which makes social network startups fail and which prevents people from just migrating to a new board when they disagree with the current moderation. Until people start producing culture (including porn) in esperanto, it won't see widespread adoption.

If esperanto speakers are serious about promoting the language, they should collaborate with some artists and start making doujins.

La espero ruĝa daŭras kreski, kaj tiel ankaŭ kresku l'espero verda! Proletar' de l'mond' unuiĝu!

why all of them are CUTE AS FUCK?
even osaka and kobe are cute

Isn't it the 2nd most popular IAL?

this is important why?
their was a girl at my highschool who took a year of japanese cause she was a weeb, she was really cute

Look at the state of everything in the west. Rampant capitalism. Rampant idpol. Rampant shitposting. I don't want to share a language with westerners.

Weebs can be cute occasionally.

The difference is my suggestion has been possible since a couple of centuries ago.

Hangul is the best alphabet ever created, but the power of Japanese lies in its unique blend of pictographic semantic core and phonemic inflection that korean lost the chance for when it dropped hanzi.

Si senior

no capitalism in japan ammrite guys?

By all means argue anything but the language itself

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